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ArmachiA · **07-17-2013, 01:57 AM**

That's really good response, Eva, and I've really no quarrel with anything you've said. IN FACT, your explanation as to why you closed off recruitment is much much better than what the impression Crystalline has been giving off and it's completely understandable. In fact, it's much better than what it says in the recruitment thread

"It should be noted that our recruitment is temporarily closed. This is due to the nature of our group, and our mutually accepted desire to see its creation and establishment transpire naturally over a span of time rather than the linkshell immediately cropping up right away."

"It is very difficult for us to report exactly what Crystalline will be as it has not officially been formed, and we don't want to hash over the details too much out-of-character so as to let the pieces fall as they will in-character.

This is also why recruitment is temporarily closed. There is technically no linkshell to join in-character right now, though we welcome visitors to our site and forums to browse around and many of us remain active here on the RPC."

Which can basically seen as "New people? Nope." [And apparently has been.]

All of us had had to shut down recruitment in our guild at one point if we had any success, as too many new people coming in is -- frankly -- stressful. I think it's best to be frank and real with people about the reason. I mean, I know your a picky linkshell by nature, but that never bothered me and stating you need to all get to know each other [all over again in some instances] is much much more valid than "We just won't exist."

I'm going to go check out your forums now.

drake2k · **07-17-2013, 02:26 AM**

To the Original Post;
Â Â I'm not going to read all the replies you've received thus far, that's between you and them and I honestly don't care what other people think of you. Â

Â Â I can say however that I honestly have had absolutely NO negative experiences with your guild thus far. Â I can also say that I have had absolutely no positive ones either. Â I don't believe that I've ever run into any of your people in 1.0 or any of the betas. Â It's a small world yet so very big.

Â Â I admire your attempt to reach out to the community. Â I can see how honest criticism can help you to grow and adapt to the ever changing world. Â I can also see that it can lead to disaster if not properly handled. Â

Â A rod that bends in the wind is not easily broken. Â To sway with the winds of change and harmonize with world around you is a valuable gift. Â The rod does not turn itself into an Oak nor does is lay down and become fodder to be trampled on.Â
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Â Â Â In straight English, I Â hope that you don't become so worried about what other people think of you, that you loose sight of what you truly wish to accomplish in your guild. Â You'll never please everyone and if you try, you'll please no one. Â As long as you can be yourself and enjoy the game, you'll always be ok by me.

Â ~~Hope this helps.

Ildur · **07-17-2013, 03:37 AM**

I think FreeLanceWizard's post was quite accurate. We should give him a cookie.

I do have to say, however, that I know of a few people who refuse to use this forums because they equate 'Admins and mods are on the same linkshell' as 'they will be an evil tyranny of evil', based on that lone fact, or on anecdotal experience from other, unrelated communities. As if that somehow proved that a knit close group of people couldn't be any good ever. I find that quite silly.

But people will think what people will think. There's not much to do about it. You either ignore them and continue or you can adapt, which I guess in this case would mean to form a multi-linkshell moderator team. But then they will think you are part of a conspiration. Somewhere someone somehow will think that a group of people from various linkshells really mean that you are evil anyway. So there's no victory move at all, really. Quite a sad thing.

John Spiegel · **07-17-2013, 06:30 AM**

We're often labeled "elitists" and the sort by folks that don't know us real well. I mean, there is some merit to that, though. And to kind of add to what the most recent Gideon's Bible-sized post Eva made:

So We're "Temporarily" Closed

As ArmachiA commented above, I'm sure a lot of linkshells/guilds had to curb their recruitment at one point or another. We're no exception. The way this new linkshell is being put together is a narrative in and of itself. From an IC standpoint, since we're aiming to do literally most of the LS-building IC, it's fair to argue that Eva (IC) has been timewarped, is scared and has no idea whats going on. She's slowly been RPing finding old (and new!) friends as she picks up the pieces of her life. Since the Calamity wrecked pearls, she has ICly bought a new linkshell and has begun passing them out to those people she was close to before the Calamity. She still hasn't figured out WHAT to make the linkshell into -- her main concern is getting her friends back together by shoving pearls in their faces.Â

From an OOC perspective, I think this was a wonderful move. The game went down like eight months ago. Back in September of '12, Eva whiped the idea out of Crystalline going from an IC-friend pearl to something else in ARR. That was in September of 2012. If Eva ironed out everything herself, had a recruitment drive and a hierarchy ironed out in April of 2013, that's still three months of sitting on our hands and biding our time with Skype or beta RP. That just seems like it would have been chaotic and stressful as that with any large linkshell, especially ones that ain't got a game to go to!

From my OOC point of view from the earliest point to now of the "temporarily closed" stuff, I still think it was the best thing we did. Both from a narrative point and from a book-keeping point. Being called "elitist" is just the nature of the beast I guess. I don't see that in a negative term. What we want is to have a linkshell that is both inclusive and long-lasting, and if that means nurturing it slowly, then so be it. And having to build virtually all of it ICly affirms our characters will be as dedicated as ourselves are (immersion thing, lol).

We're "Insular RPers"

Clearly having our doors closed means that we aren't interested in outside RP. Right? Not one bit! I know I am not the most active outside-RPer, but some of our other members are. My issue is that I'm still working on character stuff (and am kinda lazy about that right now!). I'm kind of late to the game anyways, but that's a whole other story. Just like new RPers being too shy to initiate RP with someone, so can "seasoned" RPers! Just because you ain't personally RPed with us doesn't mean we don't want to, we just might be flies on the wall!

I would like to have the majority of my interactions be by chance from other linkshells or freelance RPers since that's just a whole other level of fun. Two people are discussing what to eat. JJ walks by and says "MEAT!" and goes on his merry way. Things like that. That being said, I'm not opposed to "randomly" meeting as discussed via OOC means.Â

But I'm getting off topic I think. I'd like to think myself as a pretty broad RPer, at least when the game gets up. Some of our members may be insular RPers, but I don't think as a linkshell as a whole we are.Â Smile

Other Little Tidbits That Don't Get Their Own Sections

I don't see Kylin or Ellie as RPC admins in our shell, I see them as just other folk. Just because they're in Crystalline doesn't mean Crystalline does or should have a big say in the RPC (I don't know RPC workings, but I never felt that way). I would RP with either of them regardless of their OOC obligations and stuff, they just have their hearts in RP. I like that. E>

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I would like to add more, but this is the best I could crank out in forty five minutes. Time for work!

Also, please note I literally woke up an hour ago and didn't have time to proofread. Big Grin

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TL;DR = JJ loves you and you love JJ (even if you don't know it yet or even want to. Law of Nature. Don't fight it. E> E> E>)

Ellie · **07-17-2013, 10:46 AM**

There's a lot of information being presented here, so I'm going to try to put in my take very briefly.

From my perspective, just from what I see, Crystalline is the kind of linkshell that thrives from interacting with the entire RP community, and not just its own members. The idea is to be an asset that other people or other groups can call upon if they need help. This means that once the organization is rolling, anyone can participate at virtually any level, whether through open events or joining as a part-timer or volunteering full time.

The issue with recruitment is something we've been struggling a lot with, but the fact of the matter is that before we can recruit people with confidence, we need to know what skills Crystalline is looking for. The last thing we want is to promise people that they can be in the group only to find out later that they don't have a role they can fit into. We don't want to push that kind of rejection on anyone.

On a lighter note, though, how did Crystalline get this "top LS" label after Blue Skies held an event in closed beta that drew around 100+ people?

Asyria · **07-17-2013, 11:15 AM**

SO.. I know Crystalline exists, cause I see the name around on the forum. I never really looked into it (or any other LS aside from Silver Anvil which I was part of in 1.0) so I don't know anything about it.

I wasn't aware of any rumor or anything about it either.

I know there's a bunch of Crystalline members on the forums who speak their minds but looking at how I speak mine, I'm not gonna judge any FC or LS based on how outspoken its members are, or what their opinions are. o_O

Also, even though some of the RPC staff is in Crystalline, the idea that it owns the RPC made me laugh. We all own the RPC. Kylin created it and is admin-ing it, because someone has to, and the moderators are moderating because someone has to.

Eva, there will always be rumors about this or that, wanting to clarify things is fine, but don't take it too seriously. If people believe enough in a rumor to spread it, they're not very likely to believe whoever the rumor's about anyway. Tongue

Oh and as far as being temp closed and insular goes... I remember Balthazar's Favor back then... Taking only 2-3 members at a time to make sure it's all friendly and close-knit rather than take a ton of people and nobody knows each other. Wonder what people would say about it now. Tongue

Tyriont · **07-17-2013, 11:27 AM**

Perception's a bitch. That's basically what it boils down to and what I feel like the key issue you're running into is.

Mine is a "sort of outsider perspective but not really". For those who are confused by that statement (which is probably all but about 5 people), I was a member of Crystalline back in FFXI days. I've had no interaction with the shell during 1.0 (which I dropped out of not long after it started billing) and the limits of my interactions thus far have been bouncing over to the forums to see who's still around that I remember and to try and rekindle old friendships.

On which note, good to see you're still bald, JJ.

Fact is, a fair amount of the more active posters in the more popular threads tend to be affiliated with Crystalline in some way. Gerik's fantastic art thread naturally involves a lot of Crystalline members, for example, while I constantly see Aysun posting all over the place and generally being awesome. This is a FANTASTIC thing and while I don't remember those two from FFXI days (unless names changed) they both seem to be great RPers that I'm hopeful to get to play with once the game launches proper.

However, this combined with earlier things mentioned like Kylin being a Crystalline member can lend to this perception of control or elitism, especially when coupled with the closing off of recruitment - which I get, incidentally. Assuming the status quo persisted, I can personally vouch that Kylin and Eva disagree quite frequently >.> In fact, when the two of them instantly see eye to eye it's usually a good idea to pay attention because there's a 99% chance whatever it is, they're right about.

So, what's the solution? Well, there's not a clear and simple one. Never is, especially when what you essentially have on your hands is a PR situation. Language is key here. I'd be genuinely curious to see if what you've heard would be different if your recruitment status said 'pending' (much more open to possibility) instead of 'temporarily closed' (in which the use of closed sounds very final, piss off, go away). It's one of those odd things where you can say the same thing two different ways and people react very differently.

Disclaimer: my adventures in self-promotion have given me a crash course in how important that is to people's perceptions >.>

On the flip side, the 'problem' such as it is isn't only yours. Perhaps other shells can be more public in their activities? Not saying that they're not already, but even more so? The whole concept of a 'top shell' referenced in Ellie's above post really sets my skin to crawling and isn't a term I've heard referenced before so I really hope that's not getting thrown around a lot. Every single shell should be considered equal in my mind.

At the end of the day, I would worry less about the shell's overall reputation. The glorious thing about the RPC is that so much cross-shell Roleplay is possible. I know that I personally couldn't care less about a shell's reputation. What I want to know is which individual person I want to roleplay with - see my earlier comments regarding Gerik and Aysun. Focusing more on that - encouraging a shell's members to get out there, roleplay with as many people as possible and generally be all around awesome - will fix the shell's perception as a by-product. The thought process will be "Hey, all these awesome people I've played with are in the same shell! That shell must be awesome too!".

My thoughts probably rambled all over the place there, as they are wont to do. So I'll wrap up by saying politics suck, perception is hard to manage and neither should ever be such a concern that it detracts from the reason we're all here - to bloody roleplay!

Spiritual Machine · **07-17-2013, 12:10 PM**

I seem to be prefacing with this a lot, but I'm new. I'm new to the site, to the community and to FFXIV.

That said, I'm a former moderator for the Guild Wars 2 Roleplayers community site, a former member of a guild run by one of its administrators, and a guild leader for one of the larger guilds on the Tarnished Coast server. In other words, I have a perspective that could serve to be helpful for this topic.

Honestly, it's weird to see anybody making a public post asking for people to provide honest criticism, negative feedback and rumors about their guild, promising that they can be totally honest and expect no reprisal or grudges. Does that ever work? And no offense, but such threads come off as defensive, and so do responses to the criticism by the OP.

Granted, you folks in Crystalline have done a good job not seeming crazy, and providing answers that I suppose are helpful to people who may have been confused about your policies.

Still, it looks much better publicly to do more private personal inquiries with folks in the community who are in the know. You know, ask around a bit. This kind of thread is just two steps away from airing dirty laundry, either in the posts or the responses. One has to tread cautiously.

It makes the thread all the more troubling when it is posted/responded to by an admin or friends of admins.

The fact that I feel I must preface this post by saying I hold no ill-will toward Crystalline or the admin staff, no do I intend to, nor do I have any real criticism or comment against Crystalline, is already a discouraging sign. Posting here is a conflict of interest for most members, and providing any useful feedback is potentially worse. It is not that I don't believe that you aren't good folks--you seem cool enough, and have been friendly. But it's the condition of things. There are admins who have very publicly represented Crystalline, and one of them has already popped into this thread.

That may be a part of the misconceptions surrounding your guild.

See, on GW2RP, the mods were instructed to never represent their guilds, not with banners, not with sigs, not with avatars, not with advertising their guild or posting for their guild or even posting in their guild's thread. The site's admin even adhered to this rule, despite being the leader of an active, recruiting guild.

The result? People criticized the mod staff for "unfair" decisions, for vague biases, for pandering, for being all matter of nasty things that nobody cares about.

But nobody ever brought up our guilds. And for a time, the admin, a community manager and one of more active mods shared the same guild. Yet guilds were never a topic of critique, because we had a rule that above all else we were to present ourselves as unbiased in every possible way.

As a result we were treated as if we had no feelings by angry people, and we were sometimes not even treated like people. However, none of that compromised the integrity of our mod staff, or of the site. And most importantly, it didn't compromise our guilds and the fun we had in them and in-game.

I believe that the admins here and that the folks in Crystalline are good people. You've stuck by this game for many years, held together this community site, and have been helpful and welcoming to newcomers, fostering what I feel is a positive overall community atmosphere.

However, you guys have a responsibility, as moderators as well as guild leaders. Having responsibilities can sometimes mean sacrificing personal freedom, and I say this as a guild leader myself. Abstain from even the appearance of any wrongdoing, and you will serve your purposes all the better.

Eva · **07-17-2013, 12:29 PM**

@Armi:Â Thank you for your reply and visiting our site/forums.Â I think you'll find that you have access to most of the forums there.Â Please feel welcome to create a thread or offer your thoughts on one of the ongoing discussions.

@drake:Â I'm concerned about some of what I have heard, but I am not looking to attempt to please everyone.Â One of my favorite quotes is by Bill Cosby and goes something like, "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody."Â While we are looking to make some changes to be a bit more accommodating to the larger community, we're not looking to flush the proverbial baby out with the bathwater.Â It is important to us that the LS retain its core values and purpose.

@Ildur:Â I agree I don't think there's any way to set up a moderator team on any forum that is going to be received well by all members - particularly with a site like that RPC that encompasses so many members with so many different backgrounds and varying opinions.

@JJ:Â Thanks for better summarizing what I was driving at with my rather longwinded response last night.Â I don't think I can not be longwinded.Â It's a sickness.Â Huh

@Ellie:Â Thank you also for clearing up that point about not wanting to promise things we can't deliver and leave prospective members feeling disenchated as a result.Â Â You have a way of taking what I'm thinking and wording it so much better than I am able.Â I appreciate that.

@Asyria:Â Thank you for your comment as well.Â I also agree that the RPC belongs to all of us.Â But I am getting an idea where certain perceptions are coming from, which was part of why I created this thread.Â I also remember BF from 1.0 and it sounded like a good group!

@Tyriont:Â It's good to see you're back!Â Changing recruitment status to something like 'Pending' would be a good idea.Â I think we were locked into only a few different options, but this is certainly something worth looking into as well.Â I also agree that the 'top shell' remark - which was first introduced somewhere on page 1 - is kind of deflating sort of thing.Â I try to view the smaller communities that make up the RPC as cooperating and collaborating rather than competing.Â While perhaps not equal in membership quantity, style, immersion, etc., I think it's probably offputting to label any one as being better or worse than another - generally speaking.Â For each player or character there may be some that make more or less sense than others or make a better fit, but I agree that tagging any LS as being superior to others for any reason is a big no-no.

@Spiritual Machine:Â It's my opinion that this did have a positive impact the last time it was conducted for another community I belonged to at the time.Â I can appreciate that a lot of delicate issues may be brought up, but our goal is to improve our community not only for our members, but also to make it so that other communities can easily interface with us for cross-LS type RP.Â I feel that there is value in this.Â It has also been interesting to read about how these sort of modererator-member matters have been dealt with in other games' RP communities.Â Please read on.

After some discussion with my fellow linkshell members, I decided to go back and edit much of the opening post of this thread.Â It was pointed out to me - and I agree - that some of the phrasing I used/borrowed may have come off a little bit defensive, and that's really not the message that I'm meaning to send with this solicitation. The OP now reflects what I really feel about the issue, which is simply that I've heard through some of the back channels that Crystalline isn't viewed by some in a mostly positive light, and I'm now concerned about this, since it is as much of a reflection on Crystalline as it is of me, as the group's leader. I'm sincerely looking here for complaints that are registering for Crystalline, so that I can figure out what I can do, as shell leader, to make Crystalline as attractive and friendly as possible both for our members and also for those who may be interacting with us from other linkshell communities.
Since we do not want to be seen as hiding anything, I've preserved the original post and will leave it here beneath a spoiler tag:

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Original version of this thread's OPAlmost a year and a half ago Oskar who led a LS called Everwatch - for those who may not have known - created a thread to solicit feedback from non-members about the Everwatch LS.Â A number of changes within that group (recruitment, leadership, application process, rules, etc.) were enacted afterwards as a result of discussion that stemmed from that thread and even though the Crystalline LS hasn't yet been founded in-character, I've already been kind of hearing a lot of stuff secondhand that I don't really like, so I figured I'd open a dialogue with the broader community with the intent of hopefully clearing up some misconceptions and looking for ways we might be a better part of the bigger community.Â I'm going to quote him almost word-for-word here:

As person who isn't part of Crystalline, what are your thoughts on the LS so far?Â What experiences have you had with us?Â What have you heard about us?Â I want to know because it's hard to sense one's place in the larger community from within, and one of our goals is to be a part of the RP community.
Please speak your mind freely and clearly. I know a lot of people are iffy about commenting on linkshells as a whole in public, for fear of offending someone, but I think having open discourses would actually help our linkshell and the rest of the RP community to know what Crystalline is about. We are ready to hear negative feedback, and if we see fit, we're ready to change accordingly - or at least be aware of what'Â€Â™s being said in the community, and possibly introduce some clarity to the public.Â I am sure folks talk about other linkshells in private, but never in public.
Please, speak your mind, whatever you feel, whatever you've heard, whatever you've experienced.Â It's all fair game.Â All we ask is that you explain your views a little bit beyond 'Â€ÂœYou guys are great,' or 'Â€ÂœYou suck!'Â€Â as those reasons will help us see things better.
Maybe we can even build some sort of a public trust, or at least, prove once again that mature, open, discussions about linkshells can happen, and by doing so, be more open with each other.

Thank you for sharing all the thoughts and feedback so far!

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Seohyun · **07-17-2013, 01:15 PM**

I just want to add my quick two cents here. I'm not a member of Crystalline, but I was brought over by Gerik who wants me to join and wait until they're recruiting. I've been doing that, since then I've gotten to know the members. A large majority have spoken to me and roleplayed with me since then. It seems a lot of people are thinking that they don't want to roleplay with anyone outside their linkshell and that's extremely untrue. A few members have been dragging me around to roleplay with some other new players. Not only to introduce them to me, but so that they feel welcomed here in Balmung. I can't tell you how many times I was thrown into a party full of people I didn't know and we ended up chatting, getting to know one another, doing dungeons, or roleplaying. Or how many times I've been thrown into skype OOC and RP chat rooms. Infact there's several people who have been added within the last three days who have just been hanging out. Just because they aren't doing recruitment doesn't mean that they don't want to see your face or talk to you.Â

From what I've seen, as long you express your interest in joining them they'll go out of their way to meet you, and speak to you. We have to remember that Eva is not a mind-reader, she doesn't have telepathy and doesn't know that you're interested in joining and roleplaying with them unless you make the members of Crystalline aware. This is what I did, and it was a great turn-out for me. If you're interested then check out the site, leave someone a PM, check out some posts. I'm still not an official member ofÂ Crystalline and they've done nothing but accept me with open arms. So you can imagine my slight confusion when I hear that they aren't accepting of new people.

Anyhow, my opinion and views of Crystalline have been pretty amazing thus far and I'm glad that I was introduced to this crowd. Because my other attempts at joining LS's have either gone ignored are have just gone quiet by now. And while Crystalline is on hold, they've still kept me around and let me hang out so that when they're open for recruitment once more, I'll be ready.

Zizirimu Yayarimu · **07-17-2013, 01:39 PM**

I've not heard anything about your LS, but I do propose an anti-sh*t talking / rumor spreading campaign that goes something like this:

Heard a Rumor? One question. . .

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Spiritual Machine · **07-17-2013, 02:57 PM**

I expected a mature and reasonable response to my post and I was not disappointed. I agree with your points, Eva. You do strike me as someone who is interested in getting your points across clearly and concisely, which I believe is important in a roleplay community where communication is paramount. I can appreciate that level of consideration, to even go so far as correct your opening post in order to be better understood.

We don't often come off clearly the first time we express ourselves to someone. There are a lot of varying perspectives and ideas in communities like these after all. In order to foster the best possible community experience for oneself and others, I believe it's important to be receptive to feedback, willing to acknowledge and correct mistakes, and willing to give mistakes committed by others the benefit of the doubt--as they could have also expressed themselves the wrong way.

I'm increasingly impressed by the maturity of this community. I'd like to note that I'm not interested in joining Crystalline at this time, however if this thread is representative of the maturity of its members and of the "Legacy players" that earn so much scorn here and there on other forums, then I'd at the very least be interested in interacting with these people further.

lady2beetle · **07-17-2013, 03:38 PM**

So, I'm new and I don't know the history, and while I've read some of the replies, I will only tell you the impression I've gotten on my own.

When I was reading through the Linkshells, I saw Crystalline, read that it was temporarily closed and I didnt' even glance at who is in it - even now that it's been brought to my attention that it is mostly the admin of RPC, I really don't care. If you are friends from 1.0 and want to be careful about your linkshell, that's your perogative, and I moved on through my perusement of linkshells looking for one that would fit me.

It wasn't until later when you updated your linkshell with: "It seemed like this could use a bump," then added that recruitment is still closed that I raised an eyebrow. It felt to me, like you were saying "Hey, look at us! We're not accepting new members, but we're important enough to be bumped on a list of linkshell recruitments anyway!" I don't know, I can't say it rubbed me the wrong way... but it might have if I had cared enough. I just thought, "Okay, that's a little odd..." and moved on with my life.

So... yeah. I'll just leave it at that. I don't have anything against you or Crystalline, but either you are closed and private (even temporarily) or you are public and open. And if you are closed/private (even temporarily), then my personal opinion is that you aren't of interest to me or anyone else who might be looking for a place to call home. You can't be both closed/private AND of interest to me. Just my $.02.

Zizirimu Yayarimu · **07-17-2013, 04:15 PM**

(07-17-2013, 03:38 PM)lady2beetle Wrote: So, I'm new and I don't know the history, and while I've read some of the replies, I will only tell you the impression I've gotten on my own.

When I was reading through the Linkshells, I saw Crystalline, read that it was temporarily closed and I didnt' even glance at who is in it - even now that it's been brought to my attention that it is mostly the admin of RPC, I really don't care. If you are friends from 1.0 and want to be careful about your linkshell, that's your perogative, and I moved on through my perusement of linkshells looking for one that would fit me.

It wasn't until later when you updated your linkshell with: "It seemed like this could use a bump," then added that recruitment is still closed that I raised an eyebrow. It felt to me, like you were saying "Hey, look at us! We're not accepting new members, but we're important enough to be bumped on a list of linkshell recruitments anyway!" I don't know, I can't say it rubbed me the wrong way... but it might have if I had cared enough. I just thought, "Okay, that's a little odd..." and moved on with my life.

So... yeah. I'll just leave it at that. I don't have anything against you or Crystalline, but either you are closed and private (even temporarily) or you are public and open. And if you are closed/private (even temporarily), then my personal opinion is that you aren't of interest to me or anyone else who might be looking for a place to call home. You can't be both closed/private AND of interest to me. Just my $.02.

I didn't feel it was useless, the bump. I guess it depends what you consider bump-worthy! Personally I find general updates to be OK, seeing as I am prospective member of Crystalline and possibly other communities. Sometimes edits in the main posts will go unnoticed because they aren't marked with "HEY THERE IS NEW INFO HERE" which is where bumps are useful, IMO. That bump did have a few points of info worth knowing, and considering they had no previous bumps... especially completely useless ones, I think it's okay Smile

Rhynka · **07-17-2013, 04:20 PM**

I have a simple question about how this thread seems to be going. How come an honest opinion was asked for and those who gave it appear to now be defending themselves?

Perspectives of Crystalline LS - Honest Feedback Sought

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