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Quuyn · **09-01-2013, 03:46 AM**

(09-01-2013, 03:32 AM)LeCard Wrote: Also, and feel free to tell me your feelings on this. I tend to select a different target from the tank and sort of make a sub party of myself and topaz to kill one target while the other three focus on the other enemy(or other two if there are three.) sometime I will let carbuncle to its business with the enemy and throw some spells at the one that has the least number of people attacking it. unless the tank is attack one and the DPS is hitting the other, then I target the tanks target.

This is something that I could see a lot of groups getting pissy at you about, especially in the later levels where it gets a bit more difficult. Mainly tanks don't like it, but usually you'll find the 'hatred' of this style originating from people who have played other MMOs before, and just are 'used' to a the flow of things.

On a personal level as a healer, I couldn't care less because I just heal who needs healing, I usually don't pay attention to -where- that damage came from unless it's a giant red circle on my face. However, I know that I -personally- don't have 'pet' health displayed (Or if you even can display it) So if your Topaz Carbuncle died and then you yelled at me. I would -probably- huff and puff and.... not reply at all because I'm a doormat and I don't get angry.

SO IN SHORT; Most people will have a problem with that, especially later. As for me personally? DUNNAE GIVE AÂ Moogle

LeCard · **09-01-2013, 03:46 AM**

(09-01-2013, 03:41 AM)Clover Wrote: As for Arcanists being the healers of the party, just the lack of Medica alone would make things very hard in some dungeons, in my opinion.

I keep seeing this, but what dungeons? I have yet to find a single dungeon(up through Halatali) that I cannot keep the party at max health with physic alone.

@Koyu You can see the pets health bar above their head. I was even able to keep an ACNs carby healed up just by angling the camera so carby was in view, though this can be difficult with alot of people/enemies names floating about. just a hint, carby is the green name tag. Also, a CNJ should NEVER be yelled at for a carby going down, it is the ACN pet and there for the ACN job to keep them alive. we even have skills just for that.

Quuyn · **09-01-2013, 03:54 AM**

(09-01-2013, 03:46 AM)LeCard Wrote: CNJ should NEVER be yelled at for a carby going down, it is the ACN pet and there for the ACN job to keep them alive. we even have skills just for that.

...I like you, you can stay.Â

And on the Medica debate, I personally -rarely- use it. I rarely enough AoE damage unless everyone stands in the giant red circle to excuse it's mana cost. Medica costs an arm and a leg, I would only use it in an emergency.Â

...However, that is also the appeal of it, isn't it! It was very useful during the Brayflox final boss fight where everyone stands in the goo.

LeCard · **09-01-2013, 03:55 AM**

(09-01-2013, 03:54 AM)Koyu Wrote:
(09-01-2013, 03:46 AM)LeCard Wrote: CNJ should NEVER be yelled at for a carby going down, it is the ACN pet and there for the ACN job to keep them alive. we even have skills just for that.

...I like you, you can stay.Â

And on the Medica debate, I personally -rarely- use it. I rarely enough AoE damage unless everyone stands in the giant red circle to excuse it's mana cost. Medica costs an arm and a leg, I would only use it in an emergency.Â

...However, that is also the appeal of it, isn't it! It was very useful during the Brayflox final boss fight where everyone stands in the goo.

one quick thing i will say in medica's defense is that it also heals carby. sort of a nice added bonus.

also, what lvl is brayflox? if it is level 30 or later, just get the Jobs for your classes and run from there. is there really any reason after level 30 to not grab the job?(or is brayflox part of story that leads to jobs?)

Clover · **09-01-2013, 04:02 AM**

Umm... I have yet to run out of MP in a dungeon, truth be told. I remember this mini dungeon (whatever they're called, I forgot) where I had to abuse Medica because there was poison everywhere and HP bars kept going down. I also had to use it a lot at Ifrit; for that, I told everyone to please don't go too far away from me. There are also some parties where more than a single person is taking damage, so...

What can I say? I couldn't live without Medica *laughs*.

Edit: Then again, I'm quite a clumsy player, so perhaps I'm doing it wrong (?)

Quuyn · **09-01-2013, 04:15 AM**

Brayflox is level 32, and your main story quest will take you there, as it did with most of the other dungeons. And transfering from WHM to CNJ only gives you one extra ability, so there isn't some drastic change between the two! But to actually get your job you have to fulfill the class prerequisties (15 Arcanist / 30 Conjurer for WHM) and then the quest for it will pop up in your class guild (WHM one being the Conjurer's guild.)Â

But yea, you get jobs completely seperately from the storyline, you just need to get your classes to the right levels to get the quest. However, jobs don't seem to really do much right off the bat, the only thing it changed for me, I believe was a base stats boost and the addition of the WHM spell "Presence of Mind" Which is an activated cooldown which increases cast speed for a short time.

As for yooou Ms.Clover. It depends on playstyle. Personally I usually heal everyone individually with a cure to save mana, unless I -know- there's another AoE coming soon that could actually kill the DPS. Because they shouldn't be taking damage anyways! But that's just me.

LeCard · **09-01-2013, 04:19 AM**

(09-01-2013, 04:15 AM)Koyu Wrote: Brayflox is level 32, and your main story quest will take you there, as it did with most of the other dungeons. And transfering from WHM to CNJ only gives you one extra ability, so there isn't some drastic change between the two! But to actually get your job you have to fulfill the class prerequisties (15 Arcanist / 30 Conjurer for WHM) and then the quest for it will pop up in your class guild (WHM one being the Conjurer's guild.)Â

But yea, you get jobs completely seperately from the storyline, you just need to get your classes to the right levels to get the quest. However, jobs don't seem to really do much right off the bat, the only thing it changed for me, I believe was a base stats boost and the addition of the WHM spell "Presence of Mind" Which is an activated cooldown which increases cast speed for a short time.

ACN gets a nice spell when they take on SCH. its called succor and it heals HP at a power of 300 plus the amount of HP healed is turned into a barrier that negates damage to that amount. So say the SCH heals for 200 hp, that heal also posts a 200 damage barrier on the target. (so effectively a 400hp heal?)

Edit: also if Crit hp is healed the barrier is doubled.
this means that you could just play rotate the heal( heal player 1, player 2, player 3, player 4 repeat) and as long as the enemy isn't doing more than 400 damage in the 15 seconds max it takes to do that your party would never take even one hp in damage to their bars.

FreelanceWizard · **09-01-2013, 04:47 AM**

Medica's usually my emergency button as well, though it does have some general utility in fights that throw around a lot of AoE damage (Ifrit, most of Toto-Rak). If things are going well, the tank's the only one taking damage, and so I rarely have to use it.

ACN is weird class when it comes to group play. While they're classed as DPS, they're actually generalists; they have no natural role in a group. My logic, at least, is to do whatever it seems the group needs most. I'll off-heal DPS or the healer if they start getting hit, off-tank adds if there's no one to Sleep them, etc. If the group's solid, though, I just focus on pure DPS using Emerald.

CalemvirLucin · **09-01-2013, 06:39 AM**

Just wanted to add that at level 38 CNJ/WHM gets some mana regen capabilities Smile

Â (it also cuts enmity)

Naunet · **09-01-2013, 10:04 AM**

(09-01-2013, 03:14 AM)Kismet Wrote: It's too bad that the bulk of the ACN players running around right now are too busy pissing tanks off in dungeons by whipping out their Topaz Carbuncle at extremely inopportune times and/or annoying CNJs by trying to do the job they actually queued for... Topaz Carbuncles is great and all, but unless the tank is horrible or crap has hit the fan for whatever reason? In a dungeon setting, just put it away. We also don't need an ACN spamming Physick all over the place when the party has a capable CNJ. (This is not aimed at anyone in particular, btw. I'm just posting this as general advice for other ACNs.)

Yes to all of this. If you're queueing as a dps, ACN, (and that is ALL you can queue for) I expect you to dps - not ghetto pet tank or heal. If you want to do either of those, make your own pre-made party.

Ildur · **09-01-2013, 10:17 AM**

I tanked for a PuG in the Deepcroft where the arcanist kept his topaz carbuncle out the whole time. I asked him why he was using it, and his answer was twofold:
"He deals the same damage as the other" and "It spreads aggro across enemies."
So, based on this extremely scientific statistical data of exactly one person, I induct that people think that Topy makes Emy redundant.

The second argument has some merit in that it can be used as a form of crowd control if Topy is micromanaged. This could come handy in later dungeons; I've heard the difficulty ramps a lot suddenly.

FreelanceWizard · **09-01-2013, 10:40 AM**

I think some people believe that, since it's "Summon II", it must be better than "Summon I". Alas, no. Smile

Emerald does noticeably more DPS than Topaz, and that's even without going into parsing detail.

Falkner · **09-01-2013, 11:29 AM**

(09-01-2013, 01:32 AM)LeCard Wrote: seriously? can anyone tell me why CNJ should be played for anything more than acess to the level 12 skills and jobs?

This is only CNJ vs ACN right? Not WHM vs SCH Big Grin

Well, this is from my personal obsevation and experiences playing a WHM:

â™¦ Both CNJ and ACN can resurrects allies in combat.
â™¦ Both have access to knockback if the situation demands it.
â™¦ Both have access to Heavy debuff to slows down mobs.
â™¦ CNJ has an enhanced Protect buff that not only raises Defense of the party but also the Magic Defense.
â™¦ CNJ has early access to Esuna to dispel debuffs, something that only a Scholar could receive in level 40.
â™¦ CNJ also has access to Repose to put enemy to sleep, a very vital (30sec+15sec) crowd control in dungeons.
â™¦ CNJ has Medica and Cure III as emergency area heals, and
â™¦ CNJ has two types of single target healing to suit the situation, the normal Cure (300 potency) and the higher-heals-higher-manacost Cure II with 500 healing potency; Good to quickly fills the massive HP of Marauders and Warriors or to fully heals a Paladin from even half of his HP.
â™¦ CNJ has access to Freecure passive which 15% of the time gives the CNJ a free Cure II after casting the normal Cure.
â™¦ CNJ has access to Overcure passive to give 15% chance for a guaranteed critical Cure III every time Cure II is cast.
â™¦ CNJ's passives are increasing her Mind attribute, directly helping her to heals even better.

But really, what I truly see as a noticeably difference between CNJ and ACN as a dedicated healer is the ACN's Mana utility. The Energy Drain-Aetherflow-Energy Drain is extremely useful to recover ACN's juice, and Aetherflow only has 1 minute cooldown compared to the CNJ's Shroud of Saints which is at 2 minutes cooldown and restores the mana over time, not instantly (but it also reduces enmity so... yeah, it's very useful!)

Salty Lake · **09-01-2013, 12:21 PM**

(09-01-2013, 01:56 AM)Koyu Wrote: I'm rolling as a 34 WHM right now. (LOOK I got distracted with crafting for the past week) Annd yeah, I'm by no means an expert. But essentially what Bea said! Arcanist has generally 'one' heal.

Only 34? I feel like a slacker at 22 arcanist. But I've also been bringing up gladiator. I am camping so I haven't played in a few days, but I think my glad is 21. I still learning, but I like to solo as arcanist due to having my own pet tank and party as glad so I can get in a duty finder party quickly. But when I have time to wait a half hour to queue as an arcanist, I like being able to step up as healer when the conjurer rage quits. I only get out topaz carby when the tank seems inexperienced and unwilling to listen to the other players' advice on how to keep hate.

From a new tanks perspective, I have a hard time keeping hate off the conjurer when she/he spams medica when I am the only one taking damage. Medica is great, but shouldn't be spammed when it isn't needed, in my experience.

But I have the most trouble keeping hate off archers who don't attack the mobs in the order I have marked.

This may all change when I get higher up!

Question: is there any reason to play as your class instead of job after 30?

Falkner · **09-01-2013, 02:17 PM**

(09-01-2013, 12:21 PM)Lake Desire Wrote: From a new tanks perspective, I have a hard time keeping hate off the conjurer when she/he spams medica when I am the only one taking damage. Medica is great, but shouldn't be spammed when it isn't needed, in my experience.

You had a bad CNJ. That is all.

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