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Mippa · **06-28-2014, 08:12 AM**

(06-28-2014, 08:00 AM)Zoetrooper Wrote: I'm actually considering running a "There's no RP on Gilgamesh Roleplay Event" every couple of weeks as both satire and just as another excuse to get people together and to have a little chuckle.

Â Oh my stars I love this idea! Especially if we can get some of the more trouble-making sorts to "start up something" simply because there hasn't been anything happening! <3

I think you've been very good at vocalizing your concerns, Zoe--without pointing fingers and naming names. As someone who's had her fair share of "why do we even bother?" moments over the past several months, I don't think we can't fault anyone -too- much for feeling that way. We just need to be in constant communication with those who -have- taken up the helm in the place of those who have left...if for any reason other than to continue to motivate each other when we're not feeling all that motivated. Wink

Ambrosa · **06-28-2014, 11:56 AM**

(06-27-2014, 06:17 PM)Saefinn Wrote: But in terms of recruitment? I don't wish to be ignorant, but I am not familiar with your FC. I don't know if it helps, but we've kept links through the Coalition/Adventurers Guild LS groups and through different RP events, showcased our RP, invited people into our OOC LS group, been inclusive and invited people to RP on a fairly regular basis, building arcs with people, not just in the FC and it's by these links that we've attracted people into wanting to join, so when a person does move on, it's not a big hit and we can keep a comfortable flow of members. Because FC members comes first and get more of a say in how we do things, so they do gain something by being a part of the FC and get to feel a part of the crew.

To be honest, I've got not one single clue what your FC is either.Â Funny how that works!Â It tends to be hard to keep track of the small, minor upstart Companies when as a whole, the community is more interested in the fast reward and fix of jumping ship, then putting work into the issues and problems that need work.

Fact of the matter is, Gilgamesh has been all but abandoned by the bulk of the RP community and left to sink or swim for the popularity and ease of the big, new and shiny community of Balmung.Â

You want to call Balmung the New York and Gilgamesh a small country town.. you go ahead and do that if it makes you feel better.Â I'll look at it for what it is.

Gilgamesh is a ship in distress and Balmung is the closest land.Â Now what do rats do in situations like that I wonder?Â Doesn't matter what the distress is... could be caught on a sand bar in low tide.. could be a pin hole in the hull leaking water..Â The rats will abandon ship and swim for shore because that is the easier thing to do, that's the only way they know of to ensure their survival.Â Meanwhile, the true sea dogs are left behind, short handed now, to try and not only discover the problem, but try and fix it.

Take from that what you will.. but that is my opinion and my view on current matters.
From the way a lot of people here have been talking.. I'm surprised that the suggestion to petition Square to shut down Gilgamesh hasn't popped up yet.Â I mean why not?... according to everyone who jumped ship, the community is dead over here and not worth the effort or work to try and salvage or fix!

ArmachiA · **06-28-2014, 12:19 PM**

^ Man there's no need to blame people who jump to Balmung. It's their choice if they want to do so. That was so passive aggressive it must have been hard to pretend you weren't insulting a bunch of people.

TheLastCandle · **06-28-2014, 12:31 PM**

Nothing new or shiny about Balmung, as a legacy server with an RP community that had been thriving since the server was called Besaid. Gilgamesh was the "shiny new" launch server, where a small number of roleplayers joining at ARR's release decided to go for multiple reasons that honestly turned out to have little bearing. Economy being the one most commonly cited, as I recall - some friends I have on Cactuar and Ultros, both non-Legacy servers, suffer high prices on most items compared to Balmung and say they wish their servers had Balmung's economy.

When the community is smaller, "dead periods" of RP (which happen in all games to some degree, in my experience) are going to be more noticeable. We've had player activity begin to taper off, too, but it has less of an impact due to our larger population - there's quite honestly always someone new to roleplay with.

I am deeply sympathetic, because I've been in similar straits when my Neverwinter Nights server began "losing" people to one with a similar setting and a higher overall population. I have an alt on Gilgamesh, and I've observed this for myself to some extent. But it's unfair and, to be blunt, dishonest to blame Balmung's community for people "jumping ship."

And that's why I'm still sitting here and scratching my head at Zoetrooper's previous post. There is no unfavorable view of Gilgamesh that's been expressed here on the RPC, save perhaps by a select few when the "split" first occurred, but that was almost a year ago now, shortly before ARR's launch. The Discussion and OOC threads are open to everyone, with nothing specific to either server. Both servers have places to post events that are taking place in either realm. I'm simply not seeing the "unfriendly environment" at all, and I'm a little disappointed that some people apparently find it to be so.

ArmachiA · **06-28-2014, 12:49 PM**

To be honest, I haven't seen it either. AND if you look back on my posts during the server split, you'll see I was extremely defensive of people who wanted to go to Gilgamesh (I didn't agree but I believed it was their right to do so).

However, if you feel like the RPC is negative at all to Gilgamesh and it's players, please let one of the higher ups know. If you see posts that make it seem like Balmung players don't want you here, let someone know! Go now! Look back for posts that made you think that and show a mod! They can't fix what they don't know is a problem. This website is for both communities and if anyone on the RPC is making you Gilgameshers feel unwelcome, then we should strive to fix it.

(Note: Though if it's just people voicing their opinion on the Balmung vs Gilgamesh situation in the appropriate threads then they have every right to do so.)

Kage · **06-28-2014, 12:53 PM**

(06-28-2014, 12:31 PM)TheLastCandle Wrote: And that's why I'm still sitting here and scratching my head at Zoetrooper's previous post. There is no unfavorable view of Gilgamesh that's been expressed here on the RPC, save perhaps by a select few when the "split" first occurred, but that was almost a year ago now, shortly before ARR's launch.

I was wondering about this myself. Every time someone has come onto RPC asking whether or not they should go to Gilgamesh or Balmung most people have said either or, make an alt on both, etc. It had always been a positive light on both in my experience of reading those threads of people looking for RP servers.

If I've said anything, it's to reflect on how there -has- been threads from people or posts talking about moving from Gilgamesh to Balmung in the last month or so..

Ambrosa · **06-28-2014, 12:58 PM**

(06-28-2014, 12:19 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: ^ Man there's no need to blame people who jump to Balmung. It's their choice if they want to do so. That was so passive aggressive it must have been hard to pretend you weren't insulting a bunch of people.

There was nothing passive aggressive about that.Â Unless you missed the part at the end where I clearly said:

"Take from that what you will.. but that is my opinion and my view on current matters."

Usually that means there is no attack or anything unless you as a reader try to put one in there.Â That is me telling the truth as I see it.

Though honestly.. If you really think all I am doing is insulting or attacking people, you are more then welcome to point out how I'm wrong.

Kage · **06-28-2014, 01:02 PM**

The analogies are pretty derisive about your view on people who have "jumped ship" and left.

Your opinions are your opinions but they've definitely got a negative view on people who decided that they felt more positive about their chances on another server.

No Longer Exists · **06-28-2014, 01:06 PM**

*Swoops out of the sky hanging from an eagle's claws* BY THE POWER INVESTED IN ME BY THIS GIANT, BALD BIRD!....

Wait. That's Epic Rap Battles.

*Drops to the ground, adjusts the ole Black Hat*

Hi everyone! Black Hat here!

Couple real quick points to make before this thread gets locked down!

1> There's no such thing as a "dead server", it's an inanimate object and therefore is neither living nor dead. No matter what quantum state the RP might be in it, it's just a server. The community isn't dead either, cause there's still RP going on! Yay!

2> A lot of folks are taking a summer break, because we like the sun and doing things! I personally am doing a lot of PvE between remodeling the bathroom of my house! It's fun! Zodiac books are annoying, but hey. Looking forward to 2.3

3> There's two points to a small community, everyone can get to know each other moar easily BUT there's more chance to high drama with a small community. Let it roll off your shoulders, folks. Gilgameshians are not broken into "cliques", they're called FCs. They're built into the game mechanics, silly people.

4> Driftwood Coast, rest in peace.

5> There's a thread on here in the Gilgamesh section for FCs to post about their housing for RP purposes, but most Gilgameshians don't worry about the forum. Those who do, feel free to make use of that post Freelancer kindly had stickied or add your FC to the Linkshells roster. Advertising helps get you noticed, the same way that walking up to a group and greeting them does.Â

6> Some folks are leaving for Balmung and that's awesome! Now Balmung has moar cool RPers! Why is that a bad thing? I'm cheering! Gilgameshians don't mind. ^_^

7> I'm making shish-kabobs on my grill tomorrow!

This happy message has been brought to you by Black Hat.

Cheers!

Berrod Armstrong · **06-28-2014, 01:10 PM**

(06-28-2014, 01:06 PM)Black Hat Wrote: *Swoops out of the sky hanging from an eagle's claws* BY THE POWER INVESTED IN ME BY THIS GIANT, BALD BIRD!....

Wait. That's Epic Rap Battles.

*Drops to the ground, adjusts the ole Black Hat*

Hi everyone! Black Hat here!

Couple real quick points to make before this thread gets locked down!

1> There's no such thing as a "dead server", it's an inanimate object and therefore is neither living nor dead. No matter what quantum state the RP might be in it, it's just a server. The community isn't dead either, cause there's still RP going on! Yay!

2> A lot of folks are taking a summer break, because we like the sun and doing things! I personally am doing a lot of PvE between remodeling the bathroom of my house! It's fun! Zodiac books are annoying, but hey. Looking forward to 2.3

3> There's two points to a small community, everyone can get to know each other moar easily BUT there's more chance to high drama with a small community. Let it roll off your shoulders, folks. Gilgameshians are not broken into "cliques", they're called FCs. They're built into the game mechanics, silly people.

4> Driftwood Coast, rest in peace.

5> There's a thread on here in the Gilgamesh section for FCs to post about their housing for RP purposes, but most Gilgameshians don't worry about the forum. Those who do, feel free to make use of that post Freelancer kindly had stickied or add your FC to the Linkshells roster. Advertising helps get you noticed, the same way that walking up to a group and greeting them does.Â

6> Some folks are leaving for Balmung and that's awesome! Now Balmung has moar cool RPers! Why is that a bad thing? I'm cheering! Gilgameshians don't mind. ^_^

7> I'm making shish-kabobs on my grill tomorrow!

This happy message has been brought to you by Black Hat.

Cheers!

...Shish-kebabs? You better share.

ArmachiA · **06-28-2014, 01:18 PM**

(06-28-2014, 12:58 PM)Ambrosa Wrote: There was nothing passive aggressive about that.Â Unless you missed the part at the end where I clearly said:

"Take from that what you will.. but that is my opinion and my view on current matters."

Usually that means there is no attack or anything unless you as a reader try to put one in there.Â That is me telling the truth as I see it.

Though honestly.. If you really think all I am doing is insulting or attacking people, you are more then welcome to point out how I'm wrong.

You're basically guilting people for making the decision that they did and not even saying in a nice way.

"THey are rats that are looking for the nearest land! They don't want to to try to fix the server!"

"according to everyone who jumped ship, the community is dead over here and not worth the effort or work to try and salvage or fix!"

You have NO IDEA the reasons they decided to jump servers and you're getting all mad. Sure, part of the reason may be the decline, but no one makes a server transfer decision lightly because it's leaving friends behind and it's expensive.

Come on man, there are nicer ways.

Roen · **06-28-2014, 01:20 PM**

(06-28-2014, 01:06 PM)Black Hat Wrote: -Everything Black Hat said-

Truth!

And... remodeling bathroom is NOT FUN.

Zodiac books... just might be a little less fun though.

Ambrosa · **06-28-2014, 01:20 PM**

(06-28-2014, 01:10 PM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote: ...Shish-kebabs? You better share.

hehe.. I make kebabs today!Â Afters I go to beach.

As to the person trying to make me out to be a villain and saying that I'm attacking everyone who has jumped ship.Â Again, you are more then welcome to prove me wrong and I will withdrawn my comments.Â Though I wish you luck on trying to prove that I'm wrong in saying that people have seen problems and have actually 'jumped ship' and have now been complaining about how the community is dead.Â
Yes.. I will admit that such comments get me fired up.Â I have no time for people who leave and then say 'oh, X wasn't happening so I left' instead of putting effort down where it was needed to keep things alive.
As I have said.Â I have been making an effort to get a RP FC started.Â I've been trying for months.Â You know how many people have joined?... I could count them on 1 hand.Â You know how many have stayed?Â Only the original 3 founders.
And yet, with my efforts meeting a whole bulk of 0 interest from the community at large, after months of me yelling and shouting in game in every zone I enter... I find a thread with people claiming that the community is dead.
You might get a little ticked off yourself if you were in my shoes.

Lizzo · **06-28-2014, 01:28 PM**

Suppose as the originator of this thread I should say something as well.

Firstly, thanks to all those who spoke up about the differences between Balmung and Gilgamesh, this thread got a lot more attention than I figured it would.

Second, in no way was I bemoaning Balmung or Gilgamesh (though my choice of words concerning some of the FCs on Gilgamesh may have come off as harsher than I had intended). I've lost a few friends to Balmung, but have met other people on Gilgamesh to pick up the loss. I started this thread to better understand and get caught up on the dynamics of the RP and general community on Gilgamesh after being unsubbed for 3 weeks to a month.

If (and more likely when) I choose to resubscribe I will probably stay on Gilgamesh and lend a hand in trying to get the community back together - though it seems to be in greatly capable hands thanks to Lalah, Mikh and Zach (and everyone else), though I may end up creating a character on Balmung just to scout it out.

I'm looking forward to 2.3 and 2.4 (THIEF (rogue >.>) and NINJA!!!!!!!!Â Big Grin

) and getting back into the community again.

Thanks again for the overview of the server fellow Gilgameshians!

TheLastCandle · **06-28-2014, 01:29 PM**

Roleplaying comes in a wide variety of flavors, though, and not everybody's character is suited to a specific kind of RP. Nor is it a reasonable expectation that people be willing to create a new character that would be suited to your specific FC. Believe me, I understand the frustration; I just believe it's misplaced.

The Decline of Gilgamesh

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