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faceman7381 · **06-05-2013, 08:41 PM**

I agree with Aysun and Ty here with everything they said. Â Kylin is exactly right in that there are groups within this group by as he said that is all games. Â As someone myself who has been on the game since day 1 I was when cast out of these groups but as roughed it out and as others said here I gave a little of myself to get more. Â Konner was not my first character.

Â Also I am not level 50 on any class nor have I unlocked any jobs. Â I knew the game was gonna change so I waited it out and RPed mostly in case there were to be level requirements at the start of AAR for quests.

All that being said and now I am sure I appear as a Legacy Elitist I have mostly been speaking with new people to work with when the game goes live. Â I wanna RP and level with new people and help anyway I can. Â I think I am at level 30 gladiator and have like maybe 20k in gil that I have no prob in sharing gil to those in need.

We are what we are whether we are vets or not. Â However I like being a poor weak vet and will gladly help new peeps anyway I can. Â Talk to me if you have concerns ideas or thoughts on anything. Â In RL all I do is work on peeps problems and concerns. Â Its what I do and like doing it.

Weffrey · **06-05-2013, 08:42 PM**

I think the overall goal should be to try and convince as many Rpers to join in one server as we can to increase the population plus to give more chances to meeting up and creating spur of the moment RP. Keeping people together and adding in new people to the community will only build it up I would hope/think.

However, this obviously won't please everyone so sorry if this post isn't really adding or doing anything. ><Â

Side note: Bhav will be my 100% RP character, therefore when I log into him I would like to RP.Â Smile

Â So unless the majority is going somewhere else I will be creating him on Balmung.

Aysun · **06-05-2013, 08:49 PM**

(06-05-2013, 06:33 PM)Lilszee Wrote:
(06-05-2013, 06:25 PM)Aysun Wrote:
(06-05-2013, 06:24 PM)Lilszee Wrote:
(06-05-2013, 06:01 PM)Aysun Wrote: While I understand joining an established server with an established economy can be daunting, asking the RPC (where the majority of RPers, if not all of us, are currently placed on Balmung) to relocate to a new server is even more daunting. We don't even know that Legacy characters will be allowed to transfer to new servers yet.
Literally NO ONE has asked this.

Then I must be missing what is being asked...? Please clarify for me, I've been at work all day. x_x

New players want an alternative RP server so we don't have to deal with all the issues legacy servers have. We have a moderator telling us to go start our own community now at this point, though, so I guess there's no reason to even discuss it anymore.

Kylin: No one here wants people to not have Balmung. No one advocating for a new server for new players is or has said that to any degree whatsoever. We want a secondary server so we don't have to deal with a lot of the legacy issues. That. Is. All.

This isn't about not being able to unite on a same server because of friends or something. That's bound to happen. This is something unique to this launch.

I just don't know why a new player who wants to RP would want to join a server that most the community is not on. Sad

I guess I'll just be greatful that the majority of new RPers are okay with dealing with the "issues" the Legacy servers have and are willing to join and RP with us on Balmung.

allgivenover · **06-05-2013, 08:53 PM**

(06-05-2013, 06:33 PM)Lilszee Wrote: New players want an alternative RP server so we don't have to deal with all the issues legacy servers have.

SomeÂ new players want an alternative RP server. It's not even a universal desire among us newbies.

Lilszee · **06-05-2013, 10:06 PM**

Quite a few RPers have no intention on joining a forum. I know I'll be taking about 6 other people wherever I go. I've discussed it with them, and none of them want to be on a legacy server. There is already an unrelated free company that doesn't want to be on a legacy server. There are several others here who don't.

If we're snagging 30ish people, we'll end up making our own RP community, and the RP communities really will be completely separate if that ends up happening. This also isn't accounting for a bunch of new players that'll be coming in closer to release, and who knows where they'll go. Some might enjoy the option of going to a place with an established community, but I'm imagining quite a few want to help establish one. And people tend to really enjoy new servers.

Will it be as large? No, it probably won't be. I'm actually positive it won't be, but the whole legacy server only attitude with several people not even entertaining the idea of a new server for new people who would want to join it is pretty weird, don't you think?

Gerik · **06-05-2013, 10:09 PM**

(06-05-2013, 10:06 PM)Lilszee Wrote: Quite a few RPers have no intention on joining a forum. I know I'll be taking about 6 other people wherever I go. I've discussed it with them, and none of them want to be on a legacy server. There is already an unrelated free company that doesn't want to be on a legacy server. There are several others here who don't.

If we're snagging 30ish people, we'll end up making our own RP community, and the RP communities really will be completely separate if that ends up happening. This also isn't accounting for a bunch of new players that'll be coming in closer to release, and who knows where they'll go. Some might enjoy the option of going to a place with an established community, but I'm imagining quite a few want to help establish one. And people tend to really enjoy new servers.

Will it be as large? No, it probably won't be. I'm actually positive it won't be, but the whole legacy server only attitude with several people not even entertaining the idea of a new server for new people who would want to join it is pretty weird, don't you think?

Good luck on your endeavors! Smile

Varus · **06-05-2013, 10:10 PM**

Lilszee is right: ultimately, it will be up to the new players to decide where they want to go and why.

What should be asked is:Â

If some new players do decide to strike it on their own, should they expect any form of support from the RPC to keep them from breaking apart like the other communities Kylin highlighted earlier? And if so, what should they expect?

By extension, is the RPC targeted only at Balmung players or FFXIV RPers in general?

There is no wrong answer to these questions, but a clear stance should be taken to avoid any further issues.

Zosimo · **06-05-2013, 10:12 PM**

(06-05-2013, 08:53 PM)allgivenover Wrote:
(06-05-2013, 06:33 PM)Lilszee Wrote: New players want an alternative RP server so we don't have to deal with all the issues legacy servers have.

SomeÂ new players want an alternative RP server. It's not even a universal desire among us newbies.

I don't see how you're qualified to make that assumption really.Â

I am not a legacy status player and I have zero interest in joining a legacy server.Â

Especially after having gone through the past several months of being in a guild I thought I would be starting ARR with, only to find out today that I was expected to join their legacy server at launch with no questions asked. So I left the guild.Â

I have never seen an overtly-friendly MMO community where the vets outnumber the newbies is one other reason I wont be on a legacy server as well.Â

I would be more interested to see a discussion on which server will be voted on as a non-legacy new player RP server as opposed to some trying to convince more to join a pre-existing community.

Eva · **06-05-2013, 10:21 PM**

(06-05-2013, 08:03 PM)Rhio Wrote: I can't speak for others in the community, but I can speak for me, and I've been around here for a while.

I have never, in my entire life, discriminated or been reluctant to roleplay with someone due to their level. Â Nor can I say that I've ever witnessed someone else in Final Fantasy XIV think less of another player due to their level, relative experience, or anything else. Â Several members of the RPC welcomed myself and my wife with open arms when we started playing Final Fantasy XI as miserably low-level characters post-Wings of the Goddess, with people going out of their way to help us get up to speed. Â People will generally raise an eyebrow if you're a level 1 mage claiming to be a master caster, but that is the absolute extent of it.

While I can understand concerns about everything being set in stone by launch, the fact of the matter is that doesn't seem to be the case. Â Communities will be somewhat established, but a lot of the game's dynamics will be in flux because the game itself is in flux. Â Between level sync, new mechanics, and a completely different content flow, I don't think new players will be walking into a clubhouse with complete strangers.

Designating a "new" server for people who don't want to play on Balmung honestly seems like the sort of thing more likely to cause issues than avoid them. Â It'll help people who are worried about the existing server community, but it'll make everything else more complicated, especially with establishing linkshells and setting up community events. Â It's splitting the community, and considering how hard the community has fought to stay together, it's a bad idea.

Ultimately, I think the best approach is to stay the course. Â If something needs to change, we'll address it as it happens as a group.

I agree with everything that Rhio has stated, and do not think I could have put it better myself. Â There has always been a subset of RPers that do not associate with the RPC, whether on Balmung or another server. Â I don't feel that it should be the RPC's responsibility to chase after RPers across other servers when the stated goals - at least as I remember them from before the launch of 1.0 - was to unify RPers in one place. Â I think it's fine and well if people want to RP on another server, but I also don't feel it should be the RPC's responsibility to promote their linkshells or advertise their activities. Â That is my opinion and I'm sorry if it offends some.

Gerik · **06-05-2013, 10:24 PM**

(06-05-2013, 10:12 PM)Zosimo Wrote:
(06-05-2013, 08:53 PM)allgivenover Wrote:
(06-05-2013, 06:33 PM)Lilszee Wrote: New players want an alternative RP server so we don't have to deal with all the issues legacy servers have.

SomeÂ new players want an alternative RP server. It's not even a universal desire among us newbies.

I don't see how you're qualified to make that assumption really.Â

I am not a legacy status player and I have zero interest in joining a legacy server.Â

Especially after having gone through the past several months of being in a guild I thought I would be starting ARR with, only to find out today that I was expected to join their legacy server at launch with no questions asked. So I left the guild.Â

I have never seen an overtly-friendly MMO community where the vets outnumber the newbies is one other reason I wont be on a legacy server as well.Â

I would be more interested to see a discussion on which server will be voted on as a non-legacy new player RP server as opposed to some trying to convince more to join a pre-existing community.

1) Some new players want to join a new RP server
2) Some new players do not want to join a new RP server.
3) Therefore joining or not joining a RP server is not a universally held attitude in new players.
4) New players having the desire to join or not join a new/legacy server is an assumption.
5) Anyone from the general populace may formulate an assumption.
6) Therefore allgivenover is qualified to make an assumption.

Zosimo · **06-05-2013, 10:39 PM**

@Gerik:Â

Actually, no because Allgivenover was making a general assumption that most newbies do not want an alternative RP server. "universal desire among us newbies" is a general assumption based on unfounded evidence.Â

Since I myself am new to FFXIV, and based on the rules of the English language, Allgivenover cannot use the term "us" since I do not agree with him.Â

I am hoping this site is not biased towards non-legacy players. If it is, then I guess this whole thread is moot if the OP's honest approach is going to be continuously trolled.

Gerik · **06-05-2013, 10:45 PM**

(06-05-2013, 10:39 PM)Zosimo Wrote: @Gerik:Â

Actually, no because Allgivenover was making a general assumption that most newbies do not want an alternative RP server. "universal desire among us newbies" is a general assumption based on unfounded evidence.Â

Since I myself am new to FFXIV, and based on the rules of the English language, Allgivenover cannot use the term "us" since I do not agree with him.Â

I am hoping this site is not biased towards non-legacy players. If it is, then I guess this whole thread is moot if the OP's honest approach is going to be continuously trolled.

(06-05-2013, 08:53 PM)allgivenover Wrote: Some new players want an alternative RP server. It's not even a universal desire among us newbies.

1) The use of the quantitatively descriptive term 'Some' denotates a portion that is not the whole.
2) Some of the new players want an alternative RP server.
3) Therefore it is not a universal assumption among new players.

Zosimo · **06-05-2013, 11:07 PM**

Gerik, you're not even referring to the same sentence I am, so how about trying to stay on topic at least, eh? Thanks!

Back on topic though, I vote for Behemoth as a non-legacy unofficial RP server.

Kylin · **06-05-2013, 11:28 PM**

Please refrain from spamming the report button just on the premise that someone disagrees with you. Once is sufficient. Thanks.

If a subset of people want to go to a non-legacy RP server, then fine. Nobody is stopping you. The responses are merely warning you of the possible long term impact of doing so and stating that they're not going anywhere. In addition, SE has yet to formally name the RP server and people are very much jumping to conclusions before they even get a chance to. This isn't the first time something like this has happened. Believe it or not, there are a lot of old and wise RPers here who know what they're talking about Cool

Also, we're not doing polls right now when things are as heated as they are. So please refrain from trying to further confuse the population. One such poll is already being considered, as the RPC prides itself on trying to provide an environment that benefits the RP community as a whole above all else. If a subset wants to setup a poll for a secondary server, we'll see to it that you get what you ask for Big Grin

But right now, people need to chill.

PS: Some of the recent posts came across as being "threats." Really need to consider what you say and how you say it. Nobody responds well to threats.

LandStander · **06-05-2013, 11:29 PM**

I don't know why newcomers are so scared that they will be left out. I am a Legacy player and I will be starting a new character and I am sure lots of people will be doing the same. Plus not everyone was level 50 everything and then when summoner and arcanist coming out even the max level people will still go back and level up the new job. Heck, in a few months no one would be even to tell there was ever a difference. I didn't RP with my last character so I also will have no connections, but that is what the forums, guild, and random RP is for Smile

. No reason to splinter the community. A strong RP community depends on staying together and asking someone to sacrifice months (possibly years) of their character time so we can all start on the same even footing is asking for a bit too much. Everything will be fine and I am sure that even the higher levels will help out the lower. You have no idea how many times my old LS in XI ran CoP for myself and other newer people. We were still running it up until the Wings of the Goddess campaign (and I started playing around US PS2 release).

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