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Ilwe'ran · **10-10-2014, 02:57 PM**

In every MMO you will find more or less revelating clothes. I feel BLESSED that Final Fantasy 14 offers some armors covering the female parts in most case and some heavy armor looking heavy for females as well.
The way some of you seem to consider "revelating" armor make me asking a question : How do you see the players who aren't RPer and are wandering around in underwears ?
On my side, I tend to consider that the NPC in the towns aren't adventurers for the most parts, but people living in the town. And I tend to consider that all players are adventurers coming from differents places and so they would probably wear really differents outfits not always matching with the place they are in. Nothing shocking to me to see someone wearing a full armor discussing with one wearing a more revelating armor.
The only thing that really makes me raising an eyebrow and rolling my eyes is when I see people in underwears in the middle of the snow.. Or tanks in dungeons wearing some bikini.

Kage · **10-10-2014, 03:11 PM**

Personally I roll my eyes whenever someone glamors the stuff like that. Or when they purposely do it for a gathering. It's something I don't care for nor have interest in. If they want to have fun like that it's their business and I can move away easily.

I'm pretty sure most people will have some reaction if someone walked down the streets in a bikini. Either to make sure they look away, roll their eyes or suggest more clothing etc.

In Kage's case, he sees the muscle-y men outside of the coliseum as gesticulation. Some are poor and just can't afford it. Most of the women he sees it as trying to make gil or get attention.

Warren Castille · **10-10-2014, 03:15 PM**

I tend to think very poorly about players wearing slut gear for glamour. I've found that amount of skin shown tends to be inversely proportional with their ability to do their effing job.

Berrod Armstrong · **10-10-2014, 03:16 PM**

(10-10-2014, 03:15 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: I tend to think very poorly about players wearing slut gear for glamour. I've found that amount of skin shown tends to be inversely proportional with their ability to do their effing job.

I dunno, I SCH pretty well, and my SCH glam is downright nasty...

Aya · **10-10-2014, 03:17 PM**

*sniff sniff* Kage and Warren, you guys are going to hurt my feelings! ; . ;

CrookedTarot · **10-10-2014, 03:17 PM**

I would like to note that the Enix part of SquareEnix has a proud tradition when it comes to gear.

Long before SquareEnix were united, Enix made a game series called DragonQuest/Warrior. In this game series there is one particular set of armor that they included, even in games where they were nothing but pixels. It was called 'The Magic Bkini'.

This Bikini was made of metal and had little wing motifs and was implied to be very sexy (again in games were they were nothing but pixels at first). These sets of armor appeared in most every game and had a tendency to be both difficult to procure and quite potent in their protective powers since any female (regardless of class could wear them).

Now this is standard fantasy fare, yeah? The scantily clad female warrior or mage, boobs-a-bouncin' as she flails through battle. Well yeah but here's the thing; no one EVER mentioned them. Ever. NPCs never acknowledged them, characters in the party never said one way or the other if wearing them bothered them or not. They were just another piece of gear.

Isn't it possible, in a world like Eorzea that has a proud history of adventurers of all stripes, that seeing someone ANYONE walking around in metal-plated skivvies to be typical? Not just talking men or just women but in general. The game itself is part of a series where ridiculous clothing is the norm (see Kuja from FF IX who no one ever talks about in any game about how HE is dressed).

Combine that also with Enix who, with the inclusion of the Slime hats and Golems and the ever so 'whitty' Puff-Puff treatment are now canon with Final Fantasy and Eorzea, means that those clothes should be seen just as normal as anything else. They may cause people to blush or you may have the handful of prudes but in general, all this leads me to believe that it's just a 'meh' sort of thing in-canon.

CrookedTarot · **10-10-2014, 03:19 PM**

(10-10-2014, 03:15 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: I tend to think very poorly about players wearing slut gear for glamour. I've found that amount of skin shown tends to be inversely proportional with their ability to do their effing job.

Also, nun exploitation runs on the inverse of this theory. Just saying.

Swashbuckler · **10-10-2014, 03:20 PM**

(10-10-2014, 10:33 AM)Blue Wrote: Plus, at night desert areas actually get cold. Ideally, if you want an idea of what will make you stand out or not, you should take a look at the majority of the NPCs where you want to RP, and not just at some NPCs in certain spots of the map.

I've always RP'd that Ul'dah and the rest of Thanalan does get pretty damn cold at night considering that's what desert weather generally is.

Siha · **10-10-2014, 03:21 PM**

Let us see if I can form a helpful thought! Since you're talking about tribal Miqo'te and a subligar I'm hazarding a guess that it might be the set that's based around the Forgotten Springs tribe huntresses! Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I honestly don't think that's a terrible set. I mean yes it's revealing, don't get me wrong there, and I know it's not practical but there is an example in game of a tribe who does wear such a set. Them coming into Ul'dah as far as I know is almost non existent, from what I can tell most tribal Miqo'te try to avoid the cities as much as they can, so of course one coming in is going to get looks! Now I can understand the tiring aspect of having someone point it out but I don't think they're doing it OOCly unless they're sending you tells along with it.

IC disdain doesn't always equal OOC disdain, for example my main had a friend who was scantily clad a lot and of course it made her blush to high heavens and wish she could get them to put clothes on but OOCly I don't have a problem with it. Wear what you like, if you worked to get the gear and you like it then I think you should be able to use it. Provided you're not wearing something completely lore breaking or something of that nature, which a subligar set is not. You could even use it as a point of tension for her, I assume if she's coming into the city she's getting a bit more used to life there, maybe later down the road it could be a huge step for her to try and fit in by discarding it when she goes to the city, OR it could be a thing she lifts her chin about because it's her tribal heritage and they just have to deal with it. Spin the IC disdain into something fun or poignant for the character and remember not to assume they have an OOC problem with it unless they bring it up OOC. If they do then calmly explain, which is all you can do, and then go from there. B-list if necessary, etc.

(I hope that made sense.)

Jana · **10-10-2014, 03:30 PM**

(10-10-2014, 03:21 PM)Siha Wrote: IC disdain doesn't always equal OOC disdain...

This, exactly. Jana may /blush and tell you to cover up if you walk into the bar in a subligar and coliseum top, no matter your character's gender. But OOCly, I don't have a problem with people using that as RP gear or as a glamour to dungeon in.

Berrod Armstrong · **10-10-2014, 03:39 PM**

Okay! I looked through the responses and realized that some didn't address the OP -- a bit of mine included. I tried to answer each concern as best as I could.Â

I think I'm getting old, but it's slowly starting to bug me when characters around me point out; "Hey you're wearing revealing clothes" even though Feo is in her tribal subligar. She turns around and tells them "Uhm... but dis wha my tribe war all da time." But they have none of it and want her to put on a sweater...

So that brings me to an issue I've been noticing lately. Part of it having to do with bringing everyday sensibilities into the fantasy world (another one of those OOC into IC bleeds). Now, I'm assuming that the general Eorzean public is used to tribal sorts (or people from any origin) visiting the various cities to trade and do what ever business right?

Well, you see. I don't think the IC/OOC bleed is soley on the other player here. If you are being OOC bugged by something said IC -- well. It may not necessarily be their bleed.

It's the same as if I visited Africa, New Guinea, or the Australian outback and started going; "Oh the horror! You people aren't wearing clothes! She needs to put a shirt on!"

That happens, actually. Not that it really counts because Eorzea is none of those places!

Should I expect that the culture clash between the citizens of the city states and outsiders be that bad?

You don't really have to expect that; rather, be aware and sensitive to the fact that different players play their characters with different standards and sensitivities, based on their personalities -- and that these sensitivities may or may not not be grounded in any sort of logic. Lots of people have personal preferences or sensitivities that logic cannot explain!

Isn't it common that some warriors of all sorts, eschew clothes or cover up less (think coliseum top and bottom) on occasion in this setting?

I wouldn't say common, but rather possible in certain circumstances.

Seeing a hygur in the camisole top and bottom as part of her "armor" ensemble is perfectly normal to me and should be a pretty common sight. After all even hygur have tribes and the look seems pretty appropriate to the setting.

This is...subjective, but I can understand where you're coming from.Â

The same holds true for a miqote in any revealing combination. That includes the male in the coliseum top and bottom. Seems to me very appropriate, fits the setting, and shouldn't be a rare sight.

There's a time and place for everything -- the 'setting' of Eorzea is one that spans an entire continent and several different cultures. If something 'fits the setting' in one area, it may not in another -- and even then, that may not necessarily hold any bearing on the sensitivities and preferences of a character!

I'm starting to associate the comment; "Hey that's revealing clothes!" with breaking the 4th wall.

That's -- some of that IC/OOC bleed going on there at worst, and an assumption at best.

Now, keep in mind we're in final fantasy land, not modern everyday downtown LA. I look forward to your opinions on this!

I agree! But that still doesn't have anything to do with the preferences and sensitivities people play their characters with. Eorzea is a BIG place, with lots of people. Some won't bat an eyelash at a scantily clad person, others will be SCANDALIZED~! It's just a matter of rolling with it!Â

If they tell you about it OOC, however...THAT'S when they begin the bleed -- THAT'S when the fourth wall starts to go down. Because in THAT case, something you do IC is making them have an OOC reaction.

I hope all of this made some sense and helped a bit!

Ilwe'ran · **10-10-2014, 03:42 PM**

Point is NPCs don't move anyway.. At least the ones not important in the story or having a quest implying they will move.. The people who move are the players and they move a lot all along the main quest and their history (OOC.. But I suppose ICly as well).
Right at the begining of the game, in the introduction, it's clearly said that you're coming from another place and are an adventurer. When you begin the game, Miqo'te females are wearing quite revelating clothes (I'm sure it's the case for some other races) and it's considerated as normal.
What I mean here is if someone wanna wear some Tribal clothes in a town.. It's not that shocking..

Askier · **10-10-2014, 03:48 PM**

"Shhhh, I'm trying to hear the nudity."

Berrod Armstrong · **10-10-2014, 03:53 PM**

(10-10-2014, 03:48 PM)Askier Wrote: "Shhhh, I'm trying to hear the nudity."

Quoting Berrod without permission, shame

Mae · **10-10-2014, 03:58 PM**

(10-10-2014, 03:15 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: I tend to think very poorly about players wearing slut gear for glamour. I've found that amount of skin shown tends to be inversely proportional with their ability to do their effing job.

Wardrobe malfunctions are NOT how Flash works!

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