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Kage · **12-24-2014, 01:57 PM**

BUT UM.

Still, outside of generally just people having polyamorous relationships and the breeding/non-breeding type of relationships that sunseekers have... I honestly thought moonkeepers were "traditional" or monogamists.

I remember someone posting dialogue about how weird one relationship was because it was one male with multiple women but I assumed that the dialogue was saying it was odd because it is "like" sunseeker relationships. I could see the implications that it's strange that all the women only want the one guy but I assumed the oddity was because it was not traditional in the Judeo-Christian monogamous sense.

Zetchryn · **12-24-2014, 02:00 PM**

(12-24-2014, 01:57 PM)Kage Wrote: BUT UM.

Still, outside of generally just people having polyamorous relationships and the breeding/non-breeding type of relationships that sunseekers have... I honestly thought moonkeepers were "traditional" or monogamists.

I remember someone posting dialogue about how weird one relationship was because it was one male with multiple women but I assumed that the dialogue was saying it was odd because it is "like" sunseeker relationships. I could see the implications that it's strange that all the women only want the one guy but I assumed the oddity was because it was not traditional in the Judeo-Christian monogamous sense.

Perhaps indeed. I'm still trying to figure out Sunseekers, myself. As it is, my current story has A'zireena as mostly an orphan, no idea who her father is (which already speaks to her mother either having left a tribe, or being exiled, or sleeping with a Tia and running), and her mother dead. She hasn't been involved in main Sunseeker life since.

K'nahli · **12-24-2014, 02:02 PM**

(12-24-2014, 01:52 PM)Naunet Wrote:
(12-24-2014, 01:49 PM)K Wrote: And yes, absolutely. There is certainly no concrete rule it all. It was fabricated entirely by our tribe and it wasn't meant as any form of guideline for anyone else(though it would be welcomed of course!). Our structure is quite strict when I think about it but breeding time isn't the only time permitted assuming that a huntress whom supports a nuhn is willing. In that case it can function as a normal relationship... though having said that I guess that also carries the risk of an unwanted pregnancy.... hm..

Quote:Heh, those are the risks indeed, but considering the kind of situation our Hipparion tribe in particular live(d)(s) in, it would be important to have a lot of kids (especially during any times of plenty), to replace the likely high number of lives lost.

That's true but at the same time I don't think it'd be wise to throw caution to the wind and not care who gets pregnant and when since it creates an extra mouth to feed further down the line and temporarily strips a huntress from performing to the full potential of her duties(big deal post-calamity I imagine!).

But yes, you're certainly right. It's very subjective.

Kage · **12-24-2014, 02:15 PM**

Could someone explain to me why Keepers would be polyamorous?

I know that sunseekers may seem so to the uninformed (why not just have those harems some other RPers want???!!) but this uninformed lala hasn't quite seen much that says they're remotely close to being it?

Zetchryn · **12-24-2014, 02:15 PM**

(12-24-2014, 02:12 PM)ArmachiA Wrote:
(12-24-2014, 02:08 PM)Faye Wrote: (...) I do think Seeker lifestyle isn't quite polyamory--but I think Keeper lifestyle easily could be).

This is a really good point. I've never thought about it but Keeper's would seem to be more Polyamorous than Seekers.

... I'm not understanding, I think. How so? I'm still VERY new/rough on the lore, so be gentle.

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FreelanceWizard · **12-24-2014, 02:23 PM**

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**Unnamed Mercenary** · **12-24-2014, 02:31 PM**

(12-24-2014, 02:23 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: All,

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Val · **12-24-2014, 02:32 PM**

(12-24-2014, 02:23 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: All,

I'm in the process of cleaning up this thread, which is why it's locked at the moment. Once I'm done, I'm going to unlock it, and normal discussion can proceed.

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McBeefâ„¢ · **12-24-2014, 02:32 PM**

(12-24-2014, 02:15 PM)Zetchryn Wrote:
(12-24-2014, 02:12 PM)ArmachiA Wrote:
(12-24-2014, 02:08 PM)Faye Wrote: (...) I do think Seeker lifestyle isn't quite polyamory--but I think Keeper lifestyle easily could be).

This is a really good point. I've never thought about it but Keeper's would seem to be more Polyamorous than Seekers.

... I'm not understanding, I think. How so? I'm still VERY new/rough on the lore, so be gentle.

Well the seeker arrangement is more of a societal thing. It's not about love. If one nunh is stronger, they're in charge, the ladies don't get to vote. Though they can leave with the defeated Nunh, this seems rare.

Keeper relationships seem more based on romance and personal connections.

#also thanks freelance, even though you give me so many warnings I still <3 you!

Aysun · **12-24-2014, 02:35 PM**

(12-24-2014, 02:15 PM)Kage Wrote: Could someone explain to me why Keepers would be polyamorous?

I know that sunseekers may seem so to the uninformed (why not just have those harems some other RPers want???!!) but this uninformed lala hasn't quite seen much that says they're remotely close to being it?

There's been snippets of lore that show Keepers as polyamorous as well. They have breeding males, just don't do the titles as Seekers do. I believe Rakka'li posted some information in the "Miqo'te mating strategies" thread recently.

As far as polyamory goes, I am one of those people who admittedly is taken aback by it. I cannot fathom being in one, and even struggle to RP such a thing, because it is so foreign to me. I know it's a legitimate relationship preference, so despite the formatting making this a bit of a difficult read as has been said, it was interesting.

Kage · **12-24-2014, 02:35 PM**

Obligatory thanks but back to my question.

What makes Keepers more 'prone' to be in a polyamorous relationship than any other race? All the races have intimacy and love in their relationships (ASSumption). What makes them more likely to be in polyamorous relationships than any other individual relationships?

(12-24-2014, 02:35 PM)Aysun Wrote: There's been snippets of lore that show Keepers as polyamorous as well. They have breeding males, just don't do the titles as Seekers do. I believe Rakka'li posted some information in the "Miqo'te mating strategies" thread recently.

I remember this and from what I had read it didn't lead me to "see" that they were polyamorous. I believed the oddity was that it was one male with lots of females. That didn't strike me as particularly "wow that's going against what our culture says" but "wow that dude's with a bunch of ladies and those ladies aren't getting with any other guys."

From my uninformed mind that seems something like a) wow harem! b) seeker like? and/or c) that relationship is not like monogamous ones

But it didn't strike me as "woah that's against polyamory"

Zetchryn · **12-24-2014, 02:35 PM**

(12-24-2014, 02:32 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote:
(12-24-2014, 02:15 PM)Zetchryn Wrote:
(12-24-2014, 02:12 PM)ArmachiA Wrote:
(12-24-2014, 02:08 PM)Faye Wrote: (...) I do think Seeker lifestyle isn't quite polyamory--but I think Keeper lifestyle easily could be).

This is a really good point. I've never thought about it but Keeper's would seem to be more Polyamorous than Seekers.

... I'm not understanding, I think. How so? I'm still VERY new/rough on the lore, so be gentle.

Well the seeker arrangement is more of a societal thing. It's not about love. If one nunh is stronger, they're in charge, the ladies don't get to vote. Though they can leave with the defeated Nunh, this seems rare.

Keeper relationships seem more based on romance and personal connections.

#also thanks freelance, even though you give me so many warnings I still <3 you!

Oh, gotcha, I think I understand a bit there, though... That still sounds more like they're just more of a cultural 'norm', and thus not exactly MORE likely to be in a polyamorous relationship.

Aysun · **12-24-2014, 02:39 PM**

(12-24-2014, 02:35 PM)Kage Wrote: Obligatory thanks but back to my question.

What makes Keepers more 'prone' to be in a polyamorous relationship than any other race? All the races have intimacy and love in their relationships (ASSumption). What makes them more likely to be in polyamorous relationships than any other individual relationships?

Here it is:

(12-09-2014, 06:56 PM)allgivenover Wrote: Oh this topic... I can't help but bump it in light of the Keeper lore we got today in 2.45 that pretty much confirmed Myxie's thinking about how Keepers work traditionally.

Quote so that you don't have to go back and read it again.

(07-20-2013, 05:10 AM)Myxie Tryxle Wrote: Keepers of the Moon â€“ Promiscuity

The mating structure of the Keepers of the Moon is much less covered in the lore.Â About the only thing officially known is that it is a matriarchal structure, where the females hold positions of influence.Â It is noted in their naming guide that â€œrarely do even the largest Keeper of the Moon families have more than two or three sons. This is not by choice. Nature merely sees to it that more females are born to this race.â€Â I have also seen it mentioned that male Keepers are highly nomadic.

Because of the gender gap in terms of numbers and no mention of a harem structure similar to that of the Seekers, it is highly likely that Keepers exhibit a promiscuous mating system.Â This is similar to many bird species, and one of the major hallmarks of this type of system is the notion of female choice or sexual selection.Â Females choose mates based on subjective criteria that serve no obvious survival benefit aside from attracting mates:Â songs, plumage/coloration, mating dances, etc.Â This is reinforced by the fact that the starting attributes of a Keeper character favor the mental attributes over the physical.

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The proof

"Most unnaturally, they lie with him and him alone!"

Though I may be misunderstanding your question.

McBeefâ„¢ · **12-24-2014, 02:39 PM**

(12-24-2014, 02:35 PM)Kage Wrote: Obligatory thanks but back to my question.

What makes Keepers more 'prone' to be in a polyamorous relationship than any other race? All the races have intimacy and love in their relationships (ASSumption). What makes them more likely to be in polyamorous relationships than any other individual relationships?

Because there are not enough dudes to go around. So if they want a dude, they gotta share.

Val · **12-24-2014, 02:39 PM**

(12-24-2014, 02:32 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote:
(12-24-2014, 02:15 PM)Zetchryn Wrote:
(12-24-2014, 02:12 PM)ArmachiA Wrote:
(12-24-2014, 02:08 PM)Faye Wrote: (...) I do think Seeker lifestyle isn't quite polyamory--but I think Keeper lifestyle easily could be).

This is a really good point. I've never thought about it but Keeper's would seem to be more Polyamorous than Seekers.

... I'm not understanding, I think. How so? I'm still VERY new/rough on the lore, so be gentle.

Well the seeker arrangement is more of a societal thing. It's not about love. If one nunh is stronger, they're in charge, the ladies don't get to vote. Though they can leave with the defeated Nunh, this seems rare.

Keeper relationships seem more based on romance and personal connections.

#also thanks freelance, even though you give me so many warnings I still <3 you!

I think, like you said, it's more about society. But it also, to me, seems about duty. Kind of an "everyone for the tribe" so-to-speak. It doesn't mean that the Nunh or tribe as a whole don't respect their women. After all, the women do their hunting and whatnot. They likely know that without them, they wouldn't exist and wouldn't be able to continue their tribe.

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