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Telluride · **01-26-2015, 02:42 PM**

(01-26-2015, 02:38 PM)Kage Wrote: Comparing grand company leaders to some guy who's just plain rich doesn't quite cut it. Godbert isn't the warrior of light. He's not an adventurer. He's chosen not to be. He chose to be a manly as fuck crafter. He can defend himself and his family. He can rightfully choose to not go to arms for people. It's his life.

Fault him all you want, he doesn't owe anyone squat.

I am reminded of this:

A Man Said to the Universe

By Stephen Crane

A man said to the universe:
â€œSir, I exist!â€
â€œHowever,â€ replied the universe,
â€œThe fact has not created in me
A sense of obligation.â€

But that works both ways. Godbert owes us nothing.... but we don't owe him a lick of praise, either. As long as he doesn't care, then all is in balance.

My only other comment would be vetoed because I am apparently the only person here who hates the #$^@#$% Manderville Dance, but I don't owe it squat for acknowledgement, either. Big Grin

EDIT: The Mandervilles are pretty much the Tom Bombadils of Eorzea.

Warren Castille · **01-26-2015, 02:45 PM**

Truthfully, we don't know squat about Godbert. The "truest" thing we saw of him, in my opinion, was the Meteor Survivor's Ring quest. He helps his son out, sure, but he might be a howling racist for all we know.

Inessa Hara · **01-26-2015, 06:47 PM**

(01-26-2015, 02:45 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: Truthfully, we don't know squat about Godbert. The "truest" thing we saw of him, in my opinion, was the Meteor Survivor's Ring quest. He helps his son out, sure, but he might be a howling racist for all we know.

I would agree with this. Aside from being the wacky father of Hildibrand, there is virtually nothing know about his personal life save he's a monetarist. Nothing about his political or personal life awnsers the big question.

(I think we can rule out that he is a racist though due to the fact Hildi is surrounded by Non-Hyur people and he hasnt made a pass to anybody from a diffrent race.)

Here is to hoping that more knowledge about him aside from becoming a Casino owner for 2.55 gets revealed when 2.5 part 2 drops.

Zyrusticae · **01-26-2015, 07:07 PM**

*Ahem*

Godbert not helping the Domans can be explained by the fact that Ul'dah is already overswelling with refugees between Ala Mhigo and the Calamity. Believing that adding even more refugees would only exacerbate already-existing issues would mean that refusing them asylum would actually be the most reasonable course of action.

Sometimes the most visible and obvious good action is not actually the best action.

Sounsyy · **01-26-2015, 07:13 PM**

(01-26-2015, 06:47 PM)Inessa Hara Wrote:
(01-26-2015, 02:45 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: Truthfully, we don't know squat about Godbert. The "truest" thing we saw of him, in my opinion, was the Meteor Survivor's Ring quest. He helps his son out, sure, but he might be a howling racist for all we know.
I would agree with this. Aside from being the wacky father of Hildibrand, there is virtually nothing know about his personal life save he's a monetarist. Nothing about his political or personal life awnsers the big question.

(I think we can rule out that he is a racist though due to the fact Hildi is surrounded by Non-Hyur people and he hasnt made a pass to anybody from a diffrent race.)

Here is to hoping that more knowledge about him aside from becoming a Casino owner for 2.55 gets revealed when 2.5 part 2 drops.

Well, he is seen in the recent Starlight Event going around Eorzea disguised as the Saint of Nymeia making toys for children and finding/repairing lost trinkets for both the boy in the questline and it's even heavily hinted that he, as in Godbert, also helped Koh with her lost trinket way back when she was a child. These are but two examples, but if we pull also from the second installment of the Hildibrand Quests (the ones with the Treaty Blade), Godbert repairs a broken relic for the little girl without a moments hesitation.

Maybe Godbert has a soft spot for children? I guess if the Manderville Golden Saucer has a focus on providing a fun environment for children and the whole family, we'll know Godbert really loves children. (And I don't mean that in a creepy way! >< Julyan would murder him with her skillet.)

IDK, that single cutscene of him vetoing the Doman's plea is the only time we ever see Godbert's character behave in an unsavory fashion, suplexing fleeing individuals aside. The only (farfetched) theory I can come up with that makes sense is that Godbert somehow knew that the Scions, who had just recently relocated to Mor Dhona, would take the Domans in. If Godbert is actually funding the construction and expansion of Mor Dhona, either through donations to Rowena or the Adventurers' Guild, his decision to veto Doman sanctuary in Ul'dah would actually work beneficially for him, Ul'dah, and the Domans.

Ul'dah is not "economically burdened" by more refugees, Domans will be welcome in a city they can eventually call their own and won't be in a horrible situation like the Ala Mhigans currently are, and Godbert gets cheap labor to hasten his construction plans in Revenant's Toll.

As I said, this theory hinges entirely on Godbert somehow knowing the Domans would receive sanctuary in Revenant's Toll, but if he did, the theory fits.

Inessa Hara · **01-26-2015, 11:53 PM**

Huh, I didnt know that. . .Â or I did and I didnt notice it till now.Â Â xD

Was Godbert in 1.0 at all? Could give us an insight to how his dealings work if he is, or if there is anything on him for that matter.

Dante Abigor · **01-27-2015, 02:40 AM**

(01-22-2015, 01:25 PM)HIxarien Wrote: Has anyone mentioned that the Ascian guy (whatever his name is, RIP) said something about how Elidibus would have been mad if he killed Minfilia outright? Who wants to bet Elidibus is her father or something?? Theories?

Nah Minfillia is the little girl who's dad get murdalized by a gobbue in 1.0, then adopted by Minfillia later so unless they do some massive region or sloppy writing then he is pretty dead.

Kellach Woods · **01-27-2015, 08:14 AM**

(01-26-2015, 07:13 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: IDK, that single cutscene of him vetoing the Doman's plea is the only time we ever see Godbert's character behave in an unsavory fashion, suplexing fleeing individuals aside. The only (farfetched) theory I can come up with that makes sense is that Godbert somehow knew that the Scions, who had just recently relocated to Mor Dhona, would take the Domans in. If Godbert is actually funding the construction and expansion of Mor Dhona, either through donations to Rowena or the Adventurers' Guild, his decision to veto Doman sanctuary in Ul'dah would actually work beneficially for him, Ul'dah, and the Domans.Â

This hinges entirely too much on ifs and unconfirmed stuff when there's a much easier way to justify it.

Godbert looks at Pearl Lane, sees how the Ala Mhigan refugees are treated. Why the fuck would he subject another group to that treatment knowing what we know of the guy?

No need to think he's funneling money into Mor Dhona (Besides, Rowena is doing SO WELL on her own that she pretty much owns the place now) or use any placeholder lore.

Accepting new refugees does not mean actually caring for them. He'd certainly be aware of at least that.

Plus, his presence on that vote entirely depends on whether or not you did 2.2 Hildibrand before that cutscene. They can EASILY say that he wasn't there for the vote due to his wanderings.

Berrod Armstrong · **01-27-2015, 08:28 AM**

I'm just grinning here because I really enjoy how Godbert Manderville has evolved from a simple quest NPC in Bronze Lake to a side story character who has taken on more life than the main character of that side story.

Yes. Need more characters like this. Develop them! Intrigue us with them. Kill them if you want but at least let us have our fun first.

I also enjoy you guys for looking so deeply into the NPCs themselves! Fun stuff.

Kellach Woods · **01-27-2015, 08:35 AM**

honestly think we're trying to look for stuff that isn't there.

also, Hildibrand is the kind of NPC you just cannot introduce in MSQ without severe suspension of disbelief. See, Godbert is actually... COMPETENT so his placement in the overarching lore makes sense.

Hildibrand... isn't.

Ashren Dotharl · **01-27-2015, 03:58 PM**

It's already been stated but I'll just elaborate on it a little. It is very likely that Godbert didn't veto the Doman refugees out of malice intent, but because it was for a greater good (both for Ul'dah and for them). Current Ul'dah is wracked with criminal activity from the Ala Mhigan refugees who feel entitled, there is a massive class divide in their society between Upper Class, Lower Class, and Refugees, adding more refugees would only cause further divide and perhaps a secondary refugee class as the Ala Mhigan and Doman fought for scraps.

In essence, life for the Domans in Ul'dah could have possibly been worse than life under the rule of Garlemald back in Othard, and Godbert spared them that with their vote hoping that they would find better shelter elsewhere. Ul'dah is falling apart currently, they can't even maintain their current population of refugees, taking on more would have likely caused the city to just crumble.

Inessa Hara · **01-27-2015, 05:16 PM**

I dont think that would paint Godbert in a good light though. Most of the Syndicate were of the same mind with Godbert on the fact that it would be too much pressure on Ul'dah to take in more refugees. On the other hand, if he is indeed helping fund the construction of 'More Donughts'Â (see what I did there?) then that would be a good redeeming fact that he had planned this all out way in advance of everyone. I dont think that is the case though because Rowena pretty much runs the Doughnut town with what resources they have.

IMO, Godbert made a tough decision. Sacraficing Ul'dah for Refugees or keep the domans out. He probably chose to veto though because he planned ahead of time that the people in Mor Dhona would take them in, but he did choose a tough call in the end that was kind of uncharacteristic of him, but I think his decision was very neutral. There are too many factors that make it impossible to call it right or wrong.

Ashren Dotharl · **01-27-2015, 05:48 PM**

I think people are looking at things the wrong way. They see the fact that the Doman were turned away as being wrong or cruel, it's really not. Imagine for a moment if you lived in a three bedroom house and had six children you had to put a roof over and feed every day and you were already stretched thin trying to just manage that. Now imagine if some homeless guy asked if he could come live with you and eat your food, and in return he would mow your lawn or wash your windows. Is it cruel or wrong of you to deny him?

Sounsyy · **01-27-2015, 08:29 PM**

(01-27-2015, 03:58 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote: Ul'dah is falling apart currently, they can't even maintain their current population of refugees, taking on more would have likely caused the city to just crumble.

Sorry, but Ul'dah being under any monetary strain makes me think of this appropriate comic:

[Image: your-greed-is-hurting-the-economy-raise-...m-wage.jpg]

Is it the Syndicate's right to do with their money as they please? Absolutely. However, the Syndicate's choice of how to handle their own money is what's causing unrest in Ul'dah, not the lack of money in the Sultanate. Refugees, unless exploited, equate to a loss of profit. The Immortal Flames, which the Syndicate has been trying to abolish along with Raubahn (another Ala Mhigan), also equate to a loss of profit. Helping in the affairs of other nations, loss of profit.

Ashren Dotharl · **01-28-2015, 01:29 AM**

(01-27-2015, 08:29 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:
(01-27-2015, 03:58 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote: Ul'dah is falling apart currently, they can't even maintain their current population of refugees, taking on more would have likely caused the city to just crumble.

Sorry, but Ul'dah being under any monetary strain makes me think of this appropriate comic:

Is it the Syndicate's right to do with their money as they please? Absolutely. However, the Syndicate's choice of how to handle their own money is what's causing unrest in Ul'dah, not the lack of money in the Sultanate. Refugees, unless exploited, equate to a loss of profit. The Immortal Flames, which the Syndicate has been trying to abolish along with Raubahn (another Ala Mhigan), also equate to a loss of profit. Helping in the affairs of other nations, loss of profit.

I never said it was monetary strain, the issues are political which is an entirely different and far more volatile problem.

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