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SicketySix · **02-10-2015, 03:11 PM**

(02-10-2015, 03:03 PM)Kestrael Wrote:
(02-10-2015, 02:54 PM)Gegenji Wrote:
(02-10-2015, 02:44 PM)Kestrael Wrote: I will be honest, most of this still sounds like gibberish to me. I don't even know what the "end game" or "end game crafting" is. I like to craft though I am very disappointed that things here cannot really be customized and the things (clothing/armor) that I can craft aren't very pretty.

I too would like to one day, probably 3 rl years from now, own a house. Is there some sort of FFXIV for Dummies that explains everything simply? I found a really nice guide ABOUT crafting but it still doesn't make much sense.

Side note: I am terrified of dungeons and raids, never having done it I just imagine people yelling at me and making me feel bad. My lovely FC members have offered to help teach me but yeah, for a game it is REALLY intimidating.

Endgame, in regards to crafting, is the stuff you can start to make once you hit 50. Preferably in ALL the crafting classes. There's items of increased difficulty that you can start to make that require a minimum amount of the crafting stats, and the cross-class skills from several of the other crafting classes is more or less required.

Unfortunately, this often includes some of the more vanity-oriented items like swimsuits and the like, which is why they often tend to be so pricey on the market. All character customization from a visual sense comes solely from mixing and matching gear (which oftentimes requires levels in some class or another), dying the dye-able gear, and personal cosmetic stuff like haircuts and the like from the aesthetician. it's no All-Points Bulletin or Champions Online customization, but it's okay.

The crafting guides are... oddly set up. They're all about what Guildleves you should take due to the ease of crafting/buying the required items. The ones I use usually give you an option at the bottom of each level spread saying which item you can make for "grinding." Example, "make silk." Thus, I get the mats to make silk, set my character to make 99 of them, and then go off to do laundry or something.

Dungeons and such are another beast. I would definitely take up your FC-mates offer to run a few. Most of them aren't too bad, and having people willing to help and work with you will definitely help boost your confidence at running them. A far cry better than getting some random Pick-up-Group full of folks who expect you to know the dungeon and be able to speedrun it.

And the best thing I can offer? Just ask for help. In your FC or here on the RPC. You'll probably find at least one or two people willing to help you out, if not more.

Thanks for the information!

Also try the "guildheist" things, I think they are called. A very non pressure introduction to dungeon fights.

Infact, look me up in game and I'll questions in with you, it will be fun!

Kage · **02-10-2015, 03:12 PM**

Guildhests! Do them for extra gil and exp!

Also, if you're new these are -supposed- to also help you learn how to function in dungeons. Mechanics, adds, movement, etc.

Chris Ganale · **02-10-2015, 03:13 PM**

Definitely putting my bank behind materia. For a while, my lady friend and I were stockpiling savage aim/might for relic, then we decided we didn't have the patience to go past atma and purged it all at once. Tahz went from like 70k to 2.7m overnight.

In my experience, it's easy for me because I have a character with all crafts to 50 and my FC keeps our chest stocked with all mats, so I craft gear for all my characters and make a new set whenever it spiritbonds so I have a rather steady flow of money. ...When I'm actually leveling. -Glares at Tahz's untouched NIN and Chao's half-finished BLM-

Kage · **02-10-2015, 03:16 PM**

It definitely helps to know friends who craft. This means that instead of buying NPC gear or purchasing gear off the Marketboards, you can have them craft for you.

Typically they just want the materials which you should be able to gather, mine or kill things for~

Check what items you can equip through the Marketboard.
Then go to craftingasaservice.com to see what materials you need for everything.
Tell friendly crafter I need xyz.
Gear!
Save gil.
Profit

Spiritbonding at Urth's gift with 45+ stuff works. So does the second to last dungeon (from what some say) in Castrum Meridium. If you SB in a dungeon though, I highly suggest you make a preformed party. I made a lot of gil using ventures, spiritbonding and run sales early enough when I was still working on the FC I helped rank up. I donated a lot of gil into buying the house that it got as well as into the bank afterwards... I never thought to ask for the gil that was my portion into it as it was a donation to the FC.

I started to do a lot more gil earning wise after I felt that need to leave that FC I helped find. I donated just as much, more even, to the FC that I joined that had to be recently rebuilt because the FC leader was an immature asshole. Millions of gil I'm talking about has been donated to two FCs and I'm only hurting a little in gil now because I'm gearing a retainer for FSH >.> but not much cause I still have a few million to my name. It's been slow merc'ing. /grumbles at the lowball sales because certain FC mercs are selling FCOB now.

If you've reached the point where you can craft level 40-50 stuff. Attach useless materia to the gear you are crafting with. Spiritbond while crafting, aka the quick synthesis. That will spiritbond the gear that you can convert into the higher tier material. It's slower than killing things, I think.

Kestrael · **02-10-2015, 03:22 PM**

(02-10-2015, 03:11 PM)Amon Vespar Wrote:
(02-10-2015, 03:03 PM)Kestrael Wrote:
(02-10-2015, 02:54 PM)Gegenji Wrote:
(02-10-2015, 02:44 PM)Kestrael Wrote: I will be honest, most of this still sounds like gibberish to me. I don't even know what the "end game" or "end game crafting" is. I like to craft though I am very disappointed that things here cannot really be customized and the things (clothing/armor) that I can craft aren't very pretty.

I too would like to one day, probably 3 rl years from now, own a house. Is there some sort of FFXIV for Dummies that explains everything simply? I found a really nice guide ABOUT crafting but it still doesn't make much sense.

Side note: I am terrified of dungeons and raids, never having done it I just imagine people yelling at me and making me feel bad. My lovely FC members have offered to help teach me but yeah, for a game it is REALLY intimidating.

Endgame, in regards to crafting, is the stuff you can start to make once you hit 50. Preferably in ALL the crafting classes. There's items of increased difficulty that you can start to make that require a minimum amount of the crafting stats, and the cross-class skills from several of the other crafting classes is more or less required.

Unfortunately, this often includes some of the more vanity-oriented items like swimsuits and the like, which is why they often tend to be so pricey on the market. All character customization from a visual sense comes solely from mixing and matching gear (which oftentimes requires levels in some class or another), dying the dye-able gear, and personal cosmetic stuff like haircuts and the like from the aesthetician. it's no All-Points Bulletin or Champions Online customization, but it's okay.

The crafting guides are... oddly set up. They're all about what Guildleves you should take due to the ease of crafting/buying the required items. The ones I use usually give you an option at the bottom of each level spread saying which item you can make for "grinding." Example, "make silk." Thus, I get the mats to make silk, set my character to make 99 of them, and then go off to do laundry or something.

Dungeons and such are another beast. I would definitely take up your FC-mates offer to run a few. Most of them aren't too bad, and having people willing to help and work with you will definitely help boost your confidence at running them. A far cry better than getting some random Pick-up-Group full of folks who expect you to know the dungeon and be able to speedrun it.

And the best thing I can offer? Just ask for help. In your FC or here on the RPC. You'll probably find at least one or two people willing to help you out, if not more.

Thanks for the information!

Also try the "guildheist" things, I think they are called. A very non pressure introduction to dungeon fights.

Infact, look me up in game and I'll questions in with you, it will be fun!

I will! When I get back I am going to take a DPS class on Kestrael and leave tanking alone for a bit until I get more of a hang of things.

C'kayah Polaali · **02-10-2015, 04:35 PM**

Quote:What do you do to earn gill?

Clearly, you earn gill from fishing!

Sorry, couldn't resist... A few people have asked about earning gil through non-endgame crafting. It's very possible. You spend more time earning the gil, but if you're only going for a few million, I think you spend far less time than if you'd take the time to be able to master craft multi-star endgame items.

Pick a crafting class. Look at the market board to see what HQ items sell for a high markup. Find something with a high demand and a high profit, that you can HQ reliably. There are some surprisingly easy to make things that will net you quite a bit of profit, especially on the consumable side of things. As an example, I'm a culinarian on Balmung. I can easily make 150-250k an hour crafting HQ recipes in the level 35-45 range. It's not anywhere close to what you can make if you can craft multi-star recipes, but it also doesn't require nearly the same time commitment.

SicketySix · **02-10-2015, 04:36 PM**

(02-10-2015, 03:22 PM)Kestrael Wrote:
(02-10-2015, 03:11 PM)Amon Vespar Wrote:
(02-10-2015, 03:03 PM)Kestrael Wrote:
(02-10-2015, 02:54 PM)Gegenji Wrote:
(02-10-2015, 02:44 PM)Kestrael Wrote: I will be honest, most of this still sounds like gibberish to me. I don't even know what the "end game" or "end game crafting" is. I like to craft though I am very disappointed that things here cannot really be customized and the things (clothing/armor) that I can craft aren't very pretty.

I too would like to one day, probably 3 rl years from now, own a house. Is there some sort of FFXIV for Dummies that explains everything simply? I found a really nice guide ABOUT crafting but it still doesn't make much sense.

Side note: I am terrified of dungeons and raids, never having done it I just imagine people yelling at me and making me feel bad. My lovely FC members have offered to help teach me but yeah, for a game it is REALLY intimidating.

Endgame, in regards to crafting, is the stuff you can start to make once you hit 50. Preferably in ALL the crafting classes. There's items of increased difficulty that you can start to make that require a minimum amount of the crafting stats, and the cross-class skills from several of the other crafting classes is more or less required.

Unfortunately, this often includes some of the more vanity-oriented items like swimsuits and the like, which is why they often tend to be so pricey on the market. All character customization from a visual sense comes solely from mixing and matching gear (which oftentimes requires levels in some class or another), dying the dye-able gear, and personal cosmetic stuff like haircuts and the like from the aesthetician. it's no All-Points Bulletin or Champions Online customization, but it's okay.

The crafting guides are... oddly set up. They're all about what Guildleves you should take due to the ease of crafting/buying the required items. The ones I use usually give you an option at the bottom of each level spread saying which item you can make for "grinding." Example, "make silk." Thus, I get the mats to make silk, set my character to make 99 of them, and then go off to do laundry or something.

Dungeons and such are another beast. I would definitely take up your FC-mates offer to run a few. Most of them aren't too bad, and having people willing to help and work with you will definitely help boost your confidence at running them. A far cry better than getting some random Pick-up-Group full of folks who expect you to know the dungeon and be able to speedrun it.

And the best thing I can offer? Just ask for help. In your FC or here on the RPC. You'll probably find at least one or two people willing to help you out, if not more.

Thanks for the information!

Also try the "guildheist" things, I think they are called. A very non pressure introduction to dungeon fights.

Infact, look me up in game and I'll questions in with you, it will be fun!

I will! When I get back I am going to take a DPS class on Kestrael and leave tanking alone for a bit until I get more of a hang of things.

Yeah if you are new to dungeons, I strongly recommend not to start out with tanking. You basically are responsible for everyone elses well being and for how the run goes in general.

Gegenji · **02-10-2015, 04:47 PM**

(02-10-2015, 04:36 PM)A'mon Vespar Wrote:
(02-10-2015, 03:22 PM)Kestrael Wrote: I will! When I get back I am going to take a DPS class on Kestrael and leave tanking alone for a bit until I get more of a hang of things.

Yeah if you are new to dungeons, I strongly recommend not to start out with tanking. You basically are responsible for everyone elses well being and for how the run goes in general.

The "order" of "you need to know stuffs" in regards to dungeons tends to trend TANK > HEALER > DPS.
* Tank needs to grab mobs and maintain enmity, as well as boss positioning (not always as important in dungeons, except or a couple cases). Knowing what your party can or can not handle in regards to group size and pulling speed tends to fall on the tank as well.
* Healer can usually just spam heals and be okay at the start, though DPS stealing aggro and splitting the damage can be a bit of a nuisance... not to mention once you get into Esuna-able stuff and other healer-centric mechanics ("healer kiting" in Cutter's Cry, healing away the Doom in Wanderer's Palace HM - both pretty far along, of course).
* DPS just tend to punch stuff and try to avoid dying to AoEs and things. There ARE later mechanics where a DPS's stun or hitting a specific target is required. There's usually another DPS on hand to help with that, though, and both tank classes have stuns of their own if needed.

The flip side is, that also means there's less healers and tanks in queue. Being a DPS means longer queue times for dungeons, especially after the flood of returnees with the drop of Ninja. However, if you're in a group with a tank or healer, this won't matter too much.

... Man, this went way off the topic of making gil, huh? Well, dungeon grinding is still pretty good for gaining levels and gear. You won't get a lot of gil from the mobs themselves, but some of the items you'll get CAN be put onto the Market Board, and you can always soulbind stuff in a dungeon run and sell the resulting materia. The basic dungeon roulettes give out a cash bonus too, especially if you're in the "Required Role," which is unfortunately usually Tank or Healer.

Kage · **02-10-2015, 04:52 PM**

If you have the levels for it, grind the dungeons that drop Buccaneers items or the Coliseum stuff (Darkhold).

They sell because a) glamor and b)lols and c)good equipment right before AF gear

SicketySix · **02-10-2015, 04:54 PM**

Do dungeon mobs drop anything decent that is sellable? The only gear I've ever come across is all untradeable

Gegenji · **02-10-2015, 04:59 PM**

(02-10-2015, 04:54 PM)A'mon Vespar Wrote: Do dungeon mobs drop anything decent that is sellable? The only gear I've ever come across is all untradeable

Some of the lower level greens (around 20ish, I want to say?) are actually able to be put up on the markets. And then there's the level 44 greens from Darkhold that Kage already spoke of - there's a bunch of sets there that people use for glamours, achievements, or just to wear until they get their class relic gear/to 50.

There's also a couple dungeons where the bosses also drop crafting mats, which can range from dirt cheap to worth a decent sum of gil (usually no more than 10k-ish or so, but still not bad!).

Other than that, most of the generic mobs drop paltry coin and maybe materials that could be worth something in bulk on the market? Especially if you get lucky enough to get a HQ version of it. That's not always the case, though, there's plenty that are up for sale for their straight "sell-to-vendor" price or lower, even when it's HQ.

You just have to give the boards a look and see what's worth what.

Kellach Woods · **02-10-2015, 08:47 PM**

Really wish the market boards were more user-friendly.

SicketySix · **02-10-2015, 09:50 PM**

(02-10-2015, 08:47 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: Really wish the market boards were more user-friendly.

Rifts AH was the best in any MMO I've yet to play.

Kellach Woods · **02-10-2015, 09:56 PM**

It doesn't help that I have absolutely no idea where to start looking when it comes to stuff to make. I've everything at 50, but damned if I don't need money to progress into anything.

V'aleera · **02-10-2015, 10:03 PM**

When trying to turn a profit while not being able to produce the top of the line and most in-demand items, I've found that the best place to start looking is actually crafting materials. Ingots, nuggets, leather etc. Basically make the stuff people making the fancy stuff need but don't want to waste time making themselves. This is especially profitable if you can HQ on a frequent basis.

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