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Erik Mynhier · **03-26-2015, 03:42 PM**

(03-26-2015, 03:27 PM)Verad Wrote: So, very well, let's set aside the concerns about councils and whatnot. How on earth are parliamentary proceedings fun? Is it the pleasure derived from 50+ RPers in the same place, not saying anything until their turn? Is the gear meant to be visually pleasing enough to justify this? Are the closing remarks intended to be exceptionally poignant?

Well the rules aren't fun for all I'll grant you, but they are meant to simply streamline the thing, I want to keep this under an hour or two, and we have 35+ fcs presenting. So the parliamentary procedures is to keep things moving and keep it a reasonable time.

As for gear I know I'll be fancy looking in my Groomsman outfit.

And closing, that's Freelance's thing. As I understand its going to be some sort of "thanks for coming" message. You would have to ask him that.

Verad · **03-26-2015, 03:49 PM**

(03-26-2015, 03:42 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote: Well the rules aren't fun for all I'll grant you, but they are meant to simply streamline the thing, I want to keep this under an hour or two, and we have 35+ fcs presenting. So the parliamentary procedures is to keep things moving and keep it a reasonable time.

As for gear I know I'll be fancy looking in my Groomsman outfit.

And closing, that's Freelance's thing. As I understand its going to be some sort of "thanks for coming" message. You would have to ask him that.

And that streamlining process is coming at the expense of actual interaction on the part of the FCs involved. If there's a temporary event LS for communication, that's an improvement, but even then the chatter might hinder the participant and streamers' ability to read the macros. Actual interaction will come during intermissions, and therefore briefly; in private, and therefore outside the view of the streamers; or after the event entirely.

Part of what made the dances fun - and I don't know who criticized balls, of all things, but I certainly wasn't one of them - was that they were largely open events where players could come and go and interact as they pleased with friends and strangers alike The structure of the events didn't actually affect how the participants were engaged beyond loose guidelines. This is not that; this is very far from that. So what would make this interesting to the observer, given the rigidity of the structure presented?

Edda · **03-26-2015, 04:13 PM**

(03-26-2015, 03:19 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote: Oh no, you're on to me. When I did the royal ball, I was accused of trying to power play and become ic buds with the Sultana, but it didn't happen, we had a dance and it was fun. When I did the Starlight Ball, I was accused of trying to make every character religious, it didn't happen. We had another dance and it was funner. Now I'm either forming a shadow government, or are to stupid to realize I'm playing into the hands of the said Shadow Government. It will not happen, we'll all meet up, tell eachother what we each do, there will be funnies in the presentations, and it'll be fun.

I fail to see what your picture and the first half of this paragraph have to do with anything. Is any of that stuff true? I don't know. Does anyone care? Definitely not. I may be a skimmer, but I'm quite confident of the fact that no one in this thread is accusing you of anything malicious. Quite the opposite, if anything. It seems to meÂ you are missing the point of those who are airing their grievances with this kind of event. Most of the pressing problems have already been voiced, and I can't contribute much more in that regard, but I would urge you to at least consider what some people have presented to you. Of course, I would not expect their reasoning to keep you from holding your event. It is yours, and you can run it however you see fit.

You seem to already have a good idea on how this event will go down, and while your confidence is inspiring, I can't help but wonder if that will be the case. I have literally no prior experience with RP aside from griefing on Moonguard before coming to Balmung, and I all I can think is that this is ultimately going to accomplish nothing - good or bad. Why not start building a directory of RP FCs on Balmung, even from those outside the RPC, instead? It will be just as, if not more so, accessible, and no one would have to be subjected to sit through two hours of pre-made macros to be a part of it.

K'nahli · **03-26-2015, 04:20 PM**

All previous posts were extracted from an events thread: The Summit of Free Companies and as such, some may lack sufficient context.

Replies from this point on needn't directly reference that specific event if they pertain to the topic of complications arising from multiple Free Companies interacting on a large scale.

Iex · **03-26-2015, 04:24 PM**

I preface all of this withâ€¦. â€œin my opinionâ€ so that I do not have to add that to everything.

First of all, what is this event? According to what I have read â€œan OOC event in game for discussion between FC leaders +1 about the state of community rping on Balmung.â€

Now, ignoring the â€˜potentialâ€™ problems with the content of the event, what about the physical mechanic.

You are having 35 FCs discussing things so naturally you will need rules and what not of who can speak In game you are limited in size of post by 500ish characters and the chat window can only go so wide and resets randomly when someone posts. Mechanically it will be difficult to discuss things in game in a reasonable time for everyone. Speaking of time, some FCs are from different time zones so finding a time where they can attend the entire meeting. (If the meeting is timed to two hours very little will even be discussed with that many people.)

Going to the matter of â€˜community:â€™ what is the RP community? By definition it is everyone that RPs on Balmung RPC or not. If you are recruiting for this meeting to be inclusive with the community you cannot exclude those not on the RPC. The RPC is optional and not required at all for being part of the Balmung community. You are also only including FCs, what about the folks who are not in FCs or in PVE guilds but RP a lot. They are part of the community. I understand the concept is there is a limited amount of space etc, but in reality the execution of the idea is looking to be more exclusive than its goal. Not to mentionâ€¦ a lot of events that are designed by folks are not actually led by FC leaders. Relying on the people who keep the cats wrangled to also provide the community â€˜contentâ€™is honestly putting all the load on one donkey when you have three others tied to the first by leads that could also carry some of the load.

Also, the idea of having an IN GAME OOC EVENT is downright a waste of time regarding this matter. It will take more time and planning to find a time for OOC event than using the â€œRP DISCUSSIONâ€ forum right on the RPC. It would be easier to ask the thread to be heavily moderated and lay down posting rules than to try to get your 35 FCs into one place for 1-2 hours. Using the forums also prevents character limit on posts, less confusion as to what you are talking about thanks to quotes, a â€˜permanentâ€™ record of what transpired rather than logs and â€˜recordings, and finally actually open for the community to see and interact with, because you could have folks message questions to be introduced to the discussion. The belief that anything can be accomplished in 2 hours with 35 FCs attending is downright borderline idiotic, pardon the bluntness.

The in game discussion about the community is like talking about stuff behind closed doors so even if harmless it will bear the undesirable scent of a â€˜ruling body separate from the masses.â€™

In closing, making a formal-ish discussion about RP events and stuff is not a bad idea. The execution of it in a semi-private, in game, time limited, ooc discussion is aÂ bad idea in my opinion and honestly a waste of time, unless the goal of it is to basically pat each otherâ€™s back in a mock â€˜we are doing something for the communityâ€™ ego stroke. The medium the matter is taking place will prevent anything but that.

edit: lawl formatting

Erik Mynhier · **03-26-2015, 04:27 PM**

(03-26-2015, 03:49 PM)Verad Wrote:
(03-26-2015, 03:42 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote: Well the rules aren't fun for all I'll grant you, but they are meant to simply streamline the thing, I want to keep this under an hour or two, and we have 35+ fcs presenting. So the parliamentary procedures is to keep things moving and keep it a reasonable time.

As for gear I know I'll be fancy looking in my Groomsman outfit.

And closing, that's Freelance's thing. As I understand its going to be some sort of "thanks for coming" message. You would have to ask him that.

And that streamlining process is coming at the expense of actual interaction on the part of the FCs involved. If there's a temporary event LS for communication, that's an improvement, but even then the chatter might hinder the participant and streamers' ability to read the macros. Actual interaction will come during intermissions, and therefore briefly; in private, and therefore outside the view of the streamers; or after the event entirely.

Part of what made the dances fun - and I don't know who criticized balls, of all things, but I certainly wasn't one of them - was that they were largely open events where players could come and go and interact as they pleased with friends and strangers alike The structure of the events didn't actually affect how the participants were engaged beyond loose guidelines. This is not that; this is very far from that. So what would make this interesting to the observer, given the rigidity of the structure presented?

Im posting at work on a phone, so forgive and spelling any spelling errors.

The LS for the evemt is a great idea, but simply dont have the time to make and grow such a LS. If someone wants to do that let me know and ill post it in the event thread and in the op of the same thread.

Edda · **03-26-2015, 04:57 PM**

Look at all the little posts just fly away into the aether, never to be seen again...

Because if we've anything to learn about past arguments and hostilities, it's that deleting half the conversation will make the problem go away.

FreelanceWizard · **03-26-2015, 05:23 PM**

(03-26-2015, 04:57 PM)Edda Wrote: Look at all the little posts just fly away into the aether, never to be seen again...

Because if we've anything to learn about past arguments and hostilities, it's that deleting half the conversation will make the problem go away.

I can't speak to the exact actions taken by the mods, but I find it highly unlikely that any posts were deleted with the intent of squelching discussion. Thread slicing and reassembly is an art, not a science, and it's entirely possible the posts are on the other thread.

If you have an issue with a moderator's actions, please contact me via PM with specifics.

#magicAdminHat

K'nahli · **03-26-2015, 06:03 PM**

(03-26-2015, 04:57 PM)Edda Wrote: Look at all the little posts just fly away into the aether, never to be seen again...

Because if we've anything to learn about past arguments and hostilities, it's that deleting half the conversation will make the problem go away.

Around four or five posts were outright deleted by me as they either had absolutely no context remaining or because they were deemed completely unnecessary after the split. With that said, only short posts were removed so that no-one's time or thoughts were exactly wasted.

Regardless of that fact, deletion rarely, if ever, comes about as a result of some form of censorship. Non-constructive posts, particularly those laced with negative or passive-aggressive undertones, are not prioritised very highly when it comes to determining which posts are worth keeping. Preventing future conflict is just as important to me as dealing with existing examples.

If I have removed any particular message which you would argue was topic-worthy then I do sincerely apologise, but as Freelance(in part) mentioned, that is where PMs serve a purpose. Sarcastically commenting in a topic that was just cleaned, on the other hand, is not the answer.

Not to specifically address Edda with this, as I mean this post generally. Though should anyone have any concerns or disagreements then please do use PMs. Communication solves most misunderstandings, but not within topics themselves.

Qhora Bajihri · **03-26-2015, 06:53 PM**

(03-26-2015, 04:24 PM)Iex Wrote: Also, the idea of having an IN GAME OOC EVENT is downright a waste of time regarding this matter.

I'm not an FC leader or officer anymore, so I wasn't going to throw my pennies in the bucket, but now that it's just a blahblah thread, here's what I think: What this guy just said, though I will repeat it with less strength and more waffle.

I'm not sure what there is to communicate about that would benefit from instant feedback rather than a thought-out thread of forum posts, especially since everyone who's going to be communicating is from the forum?

That being said, if the people who signed up for it do want the event, then the more power to them! It just... holds little interest for me to the point of a "Why?" eyebrow raise.

If it's going to be streamed, closed doors aren't really an issue. I assume the doors are only closed in an attempt to limit the sheer number of participants.

However, if this were an IC free company summit, I think that would be hilariously awesome. Still not an officer myself, so would not apply, but there's room for a lot of interesting there. There'd be some companies who would never go to such a thing based on their IC nature, but if there are enough of them that would, maybe they could be a shadow government, or at least think of themselves as such. A wildly entertaining shadow government, buahaha! Or it could go up in drama flames. Who knows.

My real point was that as an outsider, I'm not sure what the benefit is of cramming everyone into a room to talk, rather than letting them wander in and out of various forum threads. But then, I'm not sure what the benefit is of that in real life, either, because I'm an antisocial wallflower, so it could just be a personality thing.

Kellach Woods · **03-26-2015, 07:31 PM**

(03-26-2015, 06:53 PM)Qhora Bajihri Wrote: If it's going to be streamed, closed doors aren't really an issue. I assume the doors are only closed in an attempt to limit the sheer number of participants.

Partially that, partially to not hold it out in the open. All houses have a cap on the amount of people who can enter - limiting the amount of people per FC is also a measure to make sure more FCs can participate.

Won't say the rest, too sour and too emotional for all of this rational thread.

ArmachiA · **03-26-2015, 09:32 PM**

(03-26-2015, 02:56 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote: Oh no, you're on to me. When I did the royal ball, I was accused of trying to power play and become ic buds with the Sultana, but it didn't happen, we had a dance and it was fun. When I did the Starlight Ball, I was accused of trying to make every character religious, it didn't happen.

OKAY, Erik I'm on your side here and I want you to remember that, but there's a reason this accusation was happening. Even from our corner of Balmung, I HEARD that instead of just using the Sultana for the dance (Which I thought was a great idea) you were using her in a bunch of your FCs storylines and basically controlling the Sultana as an NPC for your stuff and making her friends with people in your FC - which is a huge no-no in the RP world.

Was it true? I've no idea. I know people told me they witnessed it themselves. BUT that's where it came from.

Cato · **03-26-2015, 10:07 PM**

It's been a little difficult to keep track of all the posts since I last jumped into this particular debate so I may be highlighting stuff that has already been raised and addressed. If so, I apologise in advance!
I'm also a little out of it at the moment so again, apologies if this post consists of more rambling than intended!

So: I noticed a few posters referring to 'pessimism' earlier on in the debate. As a huge fan and advocate of critical thinking I don't feel it's entirely fair to brand posters as 'pessimists' simply because they're voicing a personal opinion that may be different to somebody else's.

I can understand the term being used if someone only ever posts negatively but I'm not seeing a whole lot of that. Also worth noting is that some people are just naturally blunter than others and don't beat around the bush when it comes to posting their piece.

***Alothia*** · **03-26-2015, 10:09 PM**

Maybe a better option for this summit is to hold it here so that we have a written record of what was said, and so that people can go back and reference what the FCs do in one thread. *shrug* Just a suggestion so that we're not being constrained by the damned character limit in game.

Erik Mynhier · **03-26-2015, 10:27 PM**

(03-26-2015, 09:32 PM)ArmachiA Wrote:
(03-26-2015, 02:56 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote: Oh no, you're on to me. When I did the royal ball, I was accused of trying to power play and become ic buds with the Sultana, but it didn't happen, we had a dance and it was fun. When I did the Starlight Ball, I was accused of trying to make every character religious, it didn't happen.

OKAY, Erik I'm on your side here and I want you to remember that, but there's a reason this accusation was happening. Even from our corner of Balmung, I HEARD that instead of just using the Sultana for the dance (Which I thought was a great idea) you were using her in a bunch of your FCs storylines and basically controlling the Sultana as an NPC for your stuff and making her friends with people in your FC - which is a huge no-no in the RP world.

Was it true? I've no idea. I know people told me they witnessed it themselves. BUT that's where it came from.

No. She was played by a young lady who volunteered to play her in the ball. The character was new amd needed leveling before the ball to 12 I think for the glacel coat. She could get no one to run fates or help her level on balmug without people losing their minds over her name as this is an rp server.

So long story short I was helping her level and we were bsing in /say about how she thought I was the best sworn she owned. And I said we were besties and that she could sit on my shoulder and fire the general. It was all in fun and to my fault we continued to bullshit as we walked into the QS. We were over heard and someone took it seriously and it spread like cancer from there. But as she has logged in as that character only once since the ball and since most if all of my rp since has been Flame and not Sworn I feel my innocence in that matter has been proven with time.

And for those especially suspicious, I understand an interest in this player's identity would be wanted honestly I would rather ruin my own reputation then say who she is. She is a fine player and good friend and I would not name her for the world. That was the condition of her playing the role last year.

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