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RE: Heavensward Jobs, and Au Ra Lore now available |
04-17-2015, 04:08 PM
Well...
Let us be quite honest. There is a limit of how realistic we can be without trouncing on RP. If we were being HYPER realistic. There would be a stigma against even rolling a Male Miqo'te. A stigma against Moonkeepers males that stick around in Clans. A stigma about saying you are an Ishgardian outside of Coerthas. A stigma about your character being involved romantically with another race (that lore post about how rare half-breeds are due to culture differences and the NPCs for HM Wanderer's palace being kicked out not because of them being interested in the same sex but rather a different race.) Ul'dah will (I say 75% chance) stay as the primary RP hub even with Ishgard being opened up, due to it being a zone you can go to at level 1 to 49 without problem. Hence all the new Au Ra will be there, unless you are saying newly leveled characters aren't allowed to RP until 50 unless in racially correct areas. As role-players we end up breaking with realism all the time in terms of cultural aspects of a race. The core of the race may still be there but we build a character off of it. You character is not Miqo'te #5694 Type #5. Your character is (insert name here). If you cannot find five words to describe your character without one of them being their race or sexuality (ziiiing) you may need to work harder on it. If a character has a nomadic family that ended up in south, it doesn't really affect anyone. It is a hook to explain why they are here. It is not an attempt to create racial lore. They want to RP simple as that. A similar matter occurred with everyone RPing a Doman, but in that case of that folks were literally creating the culture based on (cough) anime japan (cough); however, no one seems to blink an eye at a Doman character anymore. Right now it seems folks are just trying to figure out bend what we know to work with an Au Ra character. A lot of parallels have been made between Miqo'te and the Au Ra. Now we can be bluntly honest here and no one can actually deny it. There are a lot of Miqo'te being RPed with no regard to their lore and treating them as cat people rather than a FFXIV race. I half wonder.... if a lot of dislike about folks eagerly wanting to have an Au Ra is some desire to 'make sure the RP community' RPs them "right." A second chance so to speak. Frankly... given that the possibility of glamoured Au Ra remains viable as more and more lore is revealed. (Technically the disguised Yugri makes the Raen being among us completely possible since travelers from the east was possible long before 2.uh..2? and for sure at least after 2.2). I would even stay RPing an Au Ra vaguely is a good idea before the drop. Why? Because it allows you to create the character before the race. Even if the 'dramatic reveal' I was an Au Ra all along. is a bit... cliché, it allows you to have connections and depth already to the character. They have friends, they have motivations, and they have goals. I can assure you the introduction RP for every character you meet as an Au Ra will get old. TLDR: Applicable to the whole thread: Folks trying to use the lore to make their character work shouldn't be discouraged from trying because it doesn't fit perfectly in the cookie cutter of NPCs. They are using the lore without creating it. Even if the concepts may be cliché such as "left their tribe," it means they are recognizing the lore but have established that their character acknowledges the standard but has IC reasons for not falling in line with it. Footnote: If everything I said gets smashed by a lore drop, good for them. It means we have more lore and I take everything back. 
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RE: Heavensward Jobs, and Au Ra Lore now available |
04-17-2015, 04:27 PM
Going to some points earlier in the thread.Â
We have all but four or five sentences on the basis of Auri lore. That's. Nothing. It's more than we had, but it's still very little. It's swiss cheese, and frankly it pisses me off when lore leads at any level give me swiss cheese. But that is a different discussion for a different time. Beyond what we do know now, I think we have little nothing to go on past that. So it's up to our own imaginations to plug up the holes in the swiss cheese. And I'm okay with that. I don't feel shackled by those itty bitty pieces of lore. I feel overwhelmed by possibilities, actually. If I find out more during gameplay, or more is released, I'm okay with editing my own concept. It's not precious. Things change. I am in no way bothered if everyone has the same reason for leaving Othard, or Coming To Eorzea! There are always reasons for mass exodus, and what anyone does after that is up to them. It could be a moment of bonding for refugee-types. Exploration of a new world. Stranger in a strange land. Maybe the family has been in Eorzea for two, or six generations. Some nefarious guy escapes the Garleans in the chaos of coming over. A tribal Xaela gets captured by the Garleans as a child, or during a hunt, or during a fight for your rights, and then escapes later during another raid, or maybe they're raised up as a Garlean. A Raen decides she doesn't like her village, the world is too big for that, etc. If people need ideas, my suggestion is to go watch or read or look at sources you may or may not usually look at. I get a lot of my ideas and tropes from watching historical kdramas. Queen Seondeok, Chuno, Empress Ki, Warrior Baek Dong Soo, Shine or Go Crazy, Tree with Deep Roots, Jumong, Kingdom of the Wind, The War of Arrows, The Pirates, The King's Face, The Secret Door, Dong Yi, Yi San, Dae Jang Geum, The Emperor of the Sea, The Horse Doctor, Ryomaden (Japanese drama, and possibly hugely relevant.) Shit, go watch The Last of the Mohicans, Marco Polo, even.
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RE: Heavensward Jobs, and Au Ra Lore now available |
04-17-2015, 04:33 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2015, 04:36 PM by allgivenover.)
(04-17-2015, 02:55 PM)Gegenji Wrote:(04-17-2015, 02:44 PM)allgivenover Wrote: Their power in IV was assuredly evil and corrupting. Spoilers for FFIV: Although it doesn't state so directly I've always thought they meant that the power of the Dark Sword in IV is corrupting, as it feeds from and magnifies the user's own hatred (Tellah makes a comment to this effect). The King of Baron commanded Cecil to take up the art when he was a boy, and it was stated that most who try to become Dark Knights can't handle the intense training and lose their minds. Early in the story Cecil tells Rosa "I've worn this dark armor so long there's no light left in me, not even my heart". (obviously this varies from translation to translation, and a lot of these little details were removed from the western SNES version entirely) Atop Mt. Ordeals it's stated that he can't become a Paladin until he confronts and endures his own hatred (the dark knight), the focus certainly seemed to be that he was unclean because of what he did and the powers he held.
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RE: Heavensward Jobs, and Au Ra Lore now available |
04-17-2015, 04:40 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2015, 04:41 PM by allgivenover.)
Back on topic. My only dislike so far of the Auri lore is that it doesn't make a lot of sense so far. The Raen get a pass for being so solitary and reclusive I guess, it's the Xaera that bothers me.
You're telling me a warlike nomadic sub-race never made it down to Eorzea? In countless generations? Even with the stigma of appearing draconic, by now there would be some of them in Eorzea, a land known for its many immigrant people and cultures. And there are zero of them in Eorzea. It doesn't make any sense.
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RE: Heavensward Jobs, and Au Ra Lore now available |
04-17-2015, 04:46 PM
Quote:Unlike their sister clan, the Xaela, who bloody the land with their endless tribal conflict, the Raen have embraced a life of tranquility and solitude, long abandoning the nomadic lifestyle of their ancestors to settle the deep valleys of Othard's mountainous eastern reaches. Only on rare occasions will one emerge from the valley mists to seek adventure in realms afar.Welp, if everyone's as Lore abiding as i think id expect the Xelra to be in the QS not the Raen lol Kevin Gates - Told Me
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RE: Heavensward Jobs, and Au Ra Lore now available |
04-17-2015, 04:52 PM
It's not that huge a deal, just seems poorly thought out to me. Especially considering how Yugiri felt the need to hide her face to avoid shocking people. If Auri had a presence in Eorzea she might not have felt so.
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RE: Heavensward Jobs, and Au Ra Lore now available |
04-17-2015, 04:54 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2015, 04:55 PM by Aaron.)
Im not bothered about it lol.
Because truth be told how many characters have ever really asked you where you're from? Eorzea doesn't even know what a Au Ra is probably. You could bullshit your backstory IC and be perfectly fine. Because I know sure as hell Aaron isn't gonna play 20 questions about your race and background. Kevin Gates - Told Me
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RE: Heavensward Jobs, and Au Ra Lore now available |
04-17-2015, 04:56 PM
Looking back over Yugiri's dialogue, I'm almost certain that she was predisposed to think that Eorzeans would discriminate against her kind based on prior contact with Garleans. I figure if you're roleplaying a Garlean character who "recently" left the Empire (say, past decade or so) after having been involved in the Othard campaign, you'd know about the Au Ra.
Might also have a chance of knowing they exist if you're a member of a trading/pirate vessel & crew based in Limsa that sails that far east. ![[Image: 1qVSsTp.png]](http://i.imgur.com/1qVSsTp.png)
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RE: Heavensward Jobs, and Au Ra Lore now available |
04-17-2015, 05:00 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2015, 05:20 PM by Gospel Gestalt.)
(04-17-2015, 04:52 PM)allgivenover Wrote: It's not that huge a deal, just seems poorly thought out to me. Especially considering how Yugiri felt the need to hide her face to avoid shocking people. If Auri had a presence in Eorzea she might not have felt so. Well this is my take on it. I know it's a stretch but I think Yugiri hid her identity more because she was a power of influence over the Doman people. When the Domans came to Eorzea, there were people (Garleans namely) that wanted her. Hiding her identity was probably a safer course of action while she tried to make alliances with the nations of Eorzea. Not so much because of her race but more because if the Domans lost her then they'd take another huge blow to what little was left of their small nation. Who's to say she never took off her hood when talking with other diplomats when we weren't around? Anyways, that's getting off topic. I'm eager for more Au Ra lore but with what we have at the moment the spectrum from making an Au Ra is pretty open to whatever a person wishes it to be. It's pretty much the same backstory as every other race. They came, they fought, they agreed to disagree and settled. (04-17-2015, 04:54 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote:(04-17-2015, 04:51 PM)Gospel Gestalt Wrote:(04-17-2015, 04:40 PM)allgivenover Wrote: Back on topic. My only dislike so far of the Auri lore is that it doesn't make a lot of sense so far. The Raen get a pass for being so solitary and reclusive I guess, it's the Xaera that bothers me. You could very well be correct and I wouldn't discard your idea either. The Au Ra could very well be brand new foreigners but you should also keep in mind that all of the existing races are actually foreigners themselves in Eorzea. We don't have a concrete timeline on just how long Au Ri have been around. The Au Ri could of been around all long doing their own thing like the Male Miqo'te and Female Hilander/Roegadyn but we just never knew because the developers chose not to coin us in on any of it for whatever reason. I could be very wrong in that theory and they truly are new and finally now are just coming over because of the tension in their homelands. Basically in the end of it all I'm just taking a go with the flow stance while thinking outside the box on it till we get more info. I'm pretty stoked for them though.
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RE: Heavensward Jobs, and Au Ra Lore now available |
04-17-2015, 05:13 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2015, 05:14 PM by Harmonixer.)
(04-17-2015, 04:56 PM)Melkire Wrote: Looking back over Yugiri's dialogue, I'm almost certain that she was predisposed to think that Eorzeans would discriminate against her kind based on prior contact with Garleans. I figure if you're roleplaying a Garlean character who "recently" left the Empire (say, past decade or so) after having been involved in the Othard campaign, you'd know about the Au Ra. Oh, I hadn't considered any of this till just now! I like to think people are pretty creative and will come up with clever ways to integrate them into RP. Hopefully anyway. I myself am trying to do something that will be reasonably presentable. I'm glad they have more of a 'loose framework' so far instead of a hard and fast set of rules. People will disagree simply to disagree, but if we all had the same precise thought process- what fun would that be?
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