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Cailean Lockwood · **04-30-2015, 05:42 AM**

So this popped up on my Tumblr dashboard:

http://draco-ixtar-the-lalafell.tumblr.c...-and-being

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"ok, so when ever the subject of au ra and being able to choose there horns come up, people immediately come up with phrases as:
â€œwhy should se undo there work so you can look cuteâ€

â€œjust because you want a virtual character to look Kawaiiâ€

â€œi think they should stay locked to faces that way they arnt more unique then other racesâ€

so i decided to do basic math and count the different possible combinations of just the faces,tails,horns, and hair compared to miqoâ€™teâ€™s faces, tails, and hair.
and the difference if the horns are locked to the face compared to if the horns were freely choosable is a much bigger number then i think most realise,Â
for the sake of numbers i didnâ€™t include hight as a factor due to only 2 races having hight be a true distinguishable feature, Roeâ€™s and Lalaâ€™s, and focused more on what can be seen right away, i also didnâ€™t count theÂ â€˜scaleâ€™ andÂ â€˜face markâ€™ areas since the combination is basically
((4x5)+ (4 x10)+(4x9)+(4x6) + 4) = 124 possible new combinations on top.

so with this i hope people realise that not being able to ditch the horns is going to limit the amount of different looks au ra will have (not counting hair colour or eye colour this is solely on looks)

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the image above is the original face 4 with its default horns.
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now the image above is face 4 with face 1â€²s horns, the face may look the same, but the new horns are giving this character a much different looks even if the colours are the exact sameÂ
(credit to the op of the thread for making those edits.)
the op has done that with each face for female au ra and male au raÂ
i reccomend you see it and click the like so we can get customised horns Big Grin

Link to the original thread on FFXIVâ€™s forums,
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/231308-Please-make-the-Au-Ra-horns-separate-from-the-faces%21

The reason i say to like the first post is the devs mainly pay attention to what has a lot of likes and if it is on feedback they take that into consideration. :3"

I quite agree with this assessment. The Au Ra horns tied to the faces really limits the customization, and I overall find it an odd choice to link those two things together. The horns could easily have been a customization option on its own, not dependent of your choice of face.
What do you guys think?

***Maril*** · **04-30-2015, 05:47 AM**

I really hope they change it so you can choose the horns separately, but I doubt they're going to do anything that radical so close to the launch of the expansion. I suppose it all depends on how difficult it'll be to change.

Fox · **04-30-2015, 06:02 AM**

I'd like to have them separate as well, I suppose we'll see if they'll do it or not. The cynical side of me says they won't, but I'll try to remain hopeful.

Meena · **04-30-2015, 06:18 AM**

I'd much rather they address the height limitations for females. 5'2 isn't tall enough.

*cries in corner*

Spethah · **04-30-2015, 07:10 AM**

(04-30-2015, 06:18 AM)Meena Wrote: I'd much rather they address the height limitations for females. 5'2 isn't tall enough.

*cries in corner*

I just barely hit 5'2 irl. Rude.

Just to add, like I've added almost everywhere now, in the niconico stream it was said that the customisation for Au Ra wasn't entirely complete and that there was some things missing and they would not be in the benchmark. Could horn choices be there? Maybe. Who knows? Being in the dark about this does riles me up since we cannot give any form of constructive criticism, something that SE does seem to listen to.

I for one like all the horns and don't care over the lack of choice. I also play a lot of games with ultra limited character creation.

Aris · **04-30-2015, 07:21 AM**

Completely behind this!

I was under the impression that horns and scales -- particularly the horns -- were going to be the defining feature in Au Ra customization. I like the way they've done the scales, and the variety of horn sizes. It would have been awesome to be able to mix and match with the horns though.

I'm not optimistic that they'll change anything, but no harm in raising our voices on it. Smile

Steel Wolf · **04-30-2015, 07:30 AM**

Though limited creation has been a thing in this game and other online FF's, I completely agree that letting horns be their own selection would be most welcome.

That said...it might be a feature that arrives far later than Heavensward's release, while also assuming the variety of horns don't clash with head shapes and geometry of headgear. I'm not sure how much difference there is to the actual geometry of the character's different head models (if any), but that is something to consider.

I'm not saying this is a bad idea, all I'm suggesting is that it's likely not as easy as some assume.

Kellach Woods · **04-30-2015, 07:34 AM**

I'm actually surprised that we got face scales as the replacement / section for makeup rather than Horns.

I legitimately thought they would be like Elezen/Lala ears.

Aaron · **04-30-2015, 07:39 AM**

Honestly? I don't see the problem.Â

The horns aren't going to be the stand out point. Every Au Ra will have horns just like every Miq'ote has ears. They alone won't make you stand out or be unique.Â

What /really/ makes people stand out at least to me in game is the face. Yes, I remember Miq'ote by their faces. Not the ears, not the hair or the lolnin gear but the faces.

If you /really/ want to stand out. You'll put extra time on the subtle features of your characters face. And before people say character creation is limited, it isn't. Because I've seen plenty examples (myself included) of PC characters who to this day I haven't found a look alike of. Or even close to of some actually. The creation is decent enough. Just gotta know how to do it.

This coming from a guy that use to design characters before going to shit in high school.Â

I hardly see why everyone is complaining they don't get more horn sliders like that alone is gonna keep them from looking like the assimilated mass already coming in 3.0.

Merri · **04-30-2015, 07:42 AM**

(04-30-2015, 07:10 AM)Septha Wrote: Just to add, like I've added almost everywhere now, in the niconico stream it was said that the customisation for Au Ra wasn't entirely complete and that there was some things missing and they would not be in the benchmark.

I've actually been hearing conflicting reports for awhile now. Yoshi-P said the benchmark wasn't complete at PAX East, however he then went on to say that they finished it in time during the Niconico steam. No source on that at the moment, however.

It'd be nice if they opened up the horns, but, right now they're intrinsically linked to faces through scale options, as they each have horn adornments tied to specific faces. I don't code, so, I wouldn't know what they'd have to go through in order to remedy the situation and have that option cycle depending on the face and horn combination chosen, instead of both being static. Likely means writing new code, which also means testing it, making sure it functions properly, making sure it's aesthetically pleasing, etc, etc.

Maybe they'll be able to churn it out in time for Heavensward, but, we're getting awfully close for them to completely overhaul character creation unless they already had the idea on the back burner as a potential addition.

Just trying to play the devil's advocate. I personally hope they open up the option, but, I won't be particularly let down if they don't for the reason above. A bit disappointed they didn't just do it from the start, but, it is what it is.

Cailean Lockwood · **04-30-2015, 07:52 AM**

(04-30-2015, 07:39 AM)Aaron Wrote: Honestly? I don't see the problem.Â

The horns aren't going to be the stand out point. Every Au Ra will have horns just like every Miq'ote has ears. They alone won't make you stand out or be unique.Â

I would consider this arguement valid IF Miqo'te have different types of ears attached to the face options. But they don't, all ears look the same on ALL faces. The only thing that changes slightly is the fur when choosing hair options, but the very shape of the ears stay the same.

However, that's not the case with the Au Ra horns which actually change for each face option.
Also, I am not asking for sliders, just that the horn options are seperated from the face options.

Aaron · **04-30-2015, 07:54 AM**

(04-30-2015, 07:52 AM)theincubuslord Wrote:
(04-30-2015, 07:39 AM)Aaron Wrote: Honestly? I don't see the problem.Â

The horns aren't going to be the stand out point. Every Au Ra will have horns just like every Miq'ote has ears. They alone won't make you stand out or be unique.Â

I would consider this arguement valid IF Miqo'te have different types of ears attached to the face options. But they don't, all ears look the same on ALL faces. The only thing that changes slightly is the fur when choosing hair options, but the very shape of the ears stay the same.

However, that's not the case with the Au Ra horns which actually change for each face option.

Perhaps I used the wrong body part. Ill change it.

All Au Ra will have horns like all Miq have tails. To be frank, no one will go outside of a rp excuse "I remember you from your really big horns" when they've probably or will see 100 other au Ra OOC with the exact same horn option you picked face tied or not. Just like you never hear "I remember you from your tail!"

Cailean Lockwood · **04-30-2015, 07:58 AM**

(04-30-2015, 07:54 AM)Aaron Wrote:
(04-30-2015, 07:52 AM)theincubuslord Wrote:
(04-30-2015, 07:39 AM)Aaron Wrote: Honestly? I don't see the problem.Â

The horns aren't going to be the stand out point. Every Au Ra will have horns just like every Miq'ote has ears. They alone won't make you stand out or be unique.Â

I would consider this arguement valid IF Miqo'te have different types of ears attached to the face options. But they don't, all ears look the same on ALL faces. The only thing that changes slightly is the fur when choosing hair options, but the very shape of the ears stay the same.

However, that's not the case with the Au Ra horns which actually change for each face option.
Perhaps I used the wrong body part. Ill change it.

All Au Ra will have horns like all Miq have tails. To be frank, no one will go outside of a rp excuse "I remember you from your really big horns" when they've probably or will see 100 other au Ra OOC with the exact same horn option you picked face tied or not. Just like you never hear "I remember you from your tail!"

Well, to me, it's not about what OTHERS see on my character. It's what I see on my character. There's a pair of horns I think looks cool, but I like a face better than the one the horns are attached to, so I would want to pick that pair of horns with that face.

Kellach Woods · **04-30-2015, 08:01 AM**

Also, if they're going to be ear replacement and look different from face to face, "ear" customization for Lalas/Elezens is already a thing. I don't see why specific horns have to be tied to the face.

At best, I can see one reason - the facial features tab being replaced by the scales custom option as it affects the horns.

Aaron · **04-30-2015, 08:03 AM**

(04-30-2015, 07:58 AM)theincubuslord Wrote:
(04-30-2015, 07:54 AM)Aaron Wrote:
(04-30-2015, 07:52 AM)theincubuslord Wrote:
(04-30-2015, 07:39 AM)Aaron Wrote: Honestly? I don't see the problem.Â

The horns aren't going to be the stand out point. Every Au Ra will have horns just like every Miq'ote has ears. They alone won't make you stand out or be unique.Â

I would consider this arguement valid IF Miqo'te have different types of ears attached to the face options. But they don't, all ears look the same on ALL faces. The only thing that changes slightly is the fur when choosing hair options, but the very shape of the ears stay the same.

However, that's not the case with the Au Ra horns which actually change for each face option.
Perhaps I used the wrong body part. Ill change it.

All Au Ra will have horns like all Miq have tails. To be frank, no one will go outside of a rp excuse "I remember you from your really big horns" when they've probably or will see 100 other au Ra OOC with the exact same horn option you picked face tied or not. Just like you never hear "I remember you from your tail!"

Well, to me, it's not about what OTHERS see on my character. It's what I see on my character. There's a pair of horns I think looks cool, but I like a face better than the one the horns are attached to, so I would want to pick that pair of horns with that face.

Well ive not had that problem so I wouldn't know. *shrug*

Your Au Ra looks good enough as is imo. Was just trying to point out lately it seems everyone wants something to complain about with the new race. (Not saying you were per say but you get the gist)

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