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Warren Castille · **05-12-2015, 12:04 PM**

(05-12-2015, 11:59 AM)Aaron Wrote: If you still have people just trying to burn adds via dps ignoring the cannons then its not that X is hard its your group sucks.

dutyfinder.exe, take two

Zyrusticae · **05-12-2015, 12:05 PM**

(05-12-2015, 11:59 AM)Aaron Wrote: If you still have people just trying to burn adds via dps ignoring the cannons then its not that SoF is hard its your group sucks.

EXACTLY. You know how much control I have over how competent the other party members are in a DF run? If they can't grok these simple mechanics, what the hell is even the point in tryimg? I roll the stupid dice every time I sign up for this trial, and frankly, I have had enough. I'm done trying to corral mindless sheep. I don't play video games to deal with that crap.

TheLastCandle · **05-12-2015, 12:05 PM**

As long as people need to clear the story, people are going to queue for Steps. As long as people are queuing for Steps, Trial Roulette will throw people into it. As long as Trial Roulette is throwing people into it, it's going to be run. One of the duty roulettes' functions is to ensure low level/outdated content is being run for those who need it, and it works.

I'm not arguing against adding some drops or something to sweeten the pot, but until Triple Triad came out, Cape Westwind didn't have any incentives either for those who had already cleared it. That didn't stop Trial Roulette players from being thrown into my alts' CW party.

Cato · **05-12-2015, 12:07 PM**

I suppose some people just get frustrated more easily than others. If I end up encountering a bad group I try and explain things clearly and give it another go. If that fails then I usually drop out and try again later.

I don't get angry. I don't rant - I pick myself up and work on finding a way to complete it. Usually that involves making use of the party finder, asking for help from some friends or even making it known on this very site that I'm eager to get a particular bit of content over and done with.

cuideag · **05-12-2015, 12:12 PM**

(05-12-2015, 12:07 PM)Graeham Ridgefield Wrote: I don't get angry. I don't rant - I pick myself up and work on finding a way to complete it. Usually that involves making use of the party finder, asking for help from some friends or even making it known on this very site that I'm eager to get a particular bit of content over and done with.

Thiiiiis. When all else fails, make friends. I believe we even have some linkshells showcased here on the RPC specifically for helping folks clear content.

Melodia · **05-12-2015, 12:14 PM**

(05-12-2015, 12:12 PM)cuideag Wrote: [quote pid=181795 dateline=1431446852]

Thiiiiis. When all else fails, make friends. I believe we even have some linkshells showcased here on the RPC specifically for helping folks clear content.

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as someone without a static or a group, usually doing content alone, I will say this is not as easy as it seems. When I have asked LSs and friends for help with content I know they have cleared, the answer I usually get aside from silence is a resounding, "Ah can't sorry. Busy. Maybe some other time."

Every time.

Just offering my experience.

Flickering Ember · **05-12-2015, 12:15 PM**

(05-12-2015, 11:25 AM)Kage Wrote: Before the nerf, everyone but tanks practically died because they couldn't keep out of his feet. (WHY DO PEOPLE DO THAT BY THE WAY? JUST FUCKING FOLLOW HIS FUCKING CIRCLE AND STAY IN THE MIDDLE LANE AND ONLY MOVE SLIGHTLY OUT BECAUSE OF THE AOES OK?)

Also, lol, hi, that's me. I'm a monk. Not a very good monk but a monk requires a lot of positioning for maximum DPS. Some folks have been able to master this positioning, shifting ever so slightly to the left or right depending on what part of their rotation it is. I have not mastered those precise movements and find that when I need to flank or attack from behind, I need to move a touch more than a more skilled monk. I found during Steps of Faith that I pretty much could not find a spot to flank without getting foot crushed.

So at least for monks and maybe dragoons that could be part of the reason why you see people getting killed by that.

Gegenji · **05-12-2015, 12:16 PM**

(05-12-2015, 11:59 AM)Aaron Wrote: Yes every raid is different but that still doesn't omit the fact that nothing is hard. All you have to do is stop trying to burn everything and actually do the mechanics. Judging from the replies in this thread that seems to be what everyone has done or witnessed and gotten a surprise when they wiped (PuG people other thsn those here included.)

It doesn't take rocket science to know the cannons are there for a reason and what the snares do. If you still have people just trying to burn adds via dps ignoring the cannons then its not that SoF is hard its your group sucks.

And therein lies the problem. Notice that when people mentioned having groups that know the mechanics or bring friends, they have very little issues. However, when you draw on the nebulous pool of random skill levels and player types that is the Duty Finder that is not always the case.

You will have people who will run in the opposite direct from the cannons when they're on cannon duty. There will be people who fire the dragonkiller before the boss is even shackled. There will be people who tank the adds in the wrong place. There will be DPS who focus more on the adds than on the boss.

There will be people who stand in the AoE, pull aggro off the tank, not hit the snares, or get stomped on. And there will be people who will openly and vehemently chew out the folks that do this, adding to the overall negative theme. And there are people who look at all this and say "I don't even want to deal with it" and will bail - meaning the new folk won't have as many people familiar with the fight on hand to help explain or deal with the fight.

The fight itself is not the problem beyond multiple mechanics to keep an eye on. It is the people and how they approach a fight with mechanics. And, an effectively arduous punishment for failure since you have to wait to the very end to try again, even if you knew by the second dragonkiller miss that you weren't going to get the boss down.

Also, as a side note, it should be pointed out that what is easy or hard varies from person to person. What may seem easy to you may not to someone else, and vice versa. My best example of this is when I was in a college course where I had to help someone CREATE A NEW FOLDER on a computer. Seemed like a complete no-brainer to me, but she had no clue what to do.

Alternatively, I point out the level 50 ROGs (not NIN) I remember seeing in the Meridium, level 40-something ACN (not SMN or SCH) in Stone Vigil, and the numerous folks who skip their class quests so they are missing key abilities. Not to mention the numerous NIN I've seen never use Huton.

So using a blanket statement like "nothing is hard" is not a fair point to make. To you, perhaps, nothing is hard (I might even think so, but then again I'm a former endgame WoW raider!). To someone else, a couple things might be (micromanaging Eos, for example!). To others, plenty of things might be (poor reaction times leading to eating a lot more AoEs than you think someone would!).

Cato · **05-12-2015, 12:19 PM**

@Melodia:Â

Have you tried using this site? Or setting up something through the party finder? Granted it may not be a success every time but if the duty finder isn't working out then it's wise to pursue alternative options.

Melodia · **05-12-2015, 12:20 PM**

(05-12-2015, 12:19 PM)Graeham Ridgefield Wrote:
(05-12-2015, 12:14 PM)Melodia Wrote:
(05-12-2015, 12:12 PM)cuideag Wrote: [quote pid=181795 dateline=1431446852]

Thiiiiis. When all else fails, make friends. I believe we even have some linkshells showcased here on the RPC specifically for helping folks clear content.
as someone without a static or a group, usually doing content alone, I will say this is not as easy as it seems. When I have asked LSs and friends for help with content I know they have cleared, the answer I usually get aside from silence is a resounding, "Ah can't sorry. Busy. Maybe some other time."

Every time.

Just offering my experience.

Have you tried using this site? Or setting up something through the party finder? Granted it may not be a success every time but if the duty finder isn't working out then it's wise to pursue alternative options.

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Oh I utilize PF a lot....and after a couple hours of waiting and me shouting in each zone for help, only to have three members join who subsequently drop....it'sÂ been a resounding failure as well.

Warren Castille · **05-12-2015, 12:20 PM**

* Warren Castille gets back on the elitist soapbox.

Saying "This game is easy" should automatically link your raid and EX achievement lists.

Edit: Along with what % of Echo you cleared them with.

Cato · **05-12-2015, 12:25 PM**

(05-12-2015, 12:20 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: * Warren Castille gets back on the elitist soapbox.

Saying "This game is easy" should automatically link your raid and EX achievement lists.

Edit: Along with what % of Echo you cleared them with.

It's possible for someone to be an excellent player and not have downed the harder stuff simply because it's pretty hard to find a group to get anything high end done at the best of times, let alone when you're in a completely different timezone to the majority of players. Or due to playing a role that isn't in high demand.

You don't need to be a chef to judge a meal. Not saying I necessarily agree with the idea that everything in the game is 'easy' and sure, difficulty is subjective to some extent...but then you'll find people who literally struggle to do even the most simple of tasks and then hide behind the claim that it's all subjective.

Warren Castille · **05-12-2015, 12:27 PM**

(05-12-2015, 12:25 PM)Graeham Ridgefield Wrote: It's possible for someone to be an excellent player and not have downed the harder stuff simply because it's pretty hard to find a group to get anything high end done at the best of times, let alone when you're in a completely different timezone to the majority of players. Or due to playing a role that isn't in high demand.

You don't need to be a chef to judge a meal.

I'm well aware. It just always seems like people who don't have these things on farm are the first ones to talk about how easy they are, but they don't count for them personally because of some reason or other.

Judging fugu's preparation isn't the same as saying it's simple to prepare.

Edit: Full disclosure, Titan EX nearly drove me to quitting and definitely drove me to drinking.

Kage · **05-12-2015, 12:33 PM**

(05-12-2015, 12:15 PM)Flickering Ember Wrote:
(05-12-2015, 11:25 AM)Kage Wrote: Before the nerf, everyone but tanks practically died because they couldn't keep out of his feet. (WHY DO PEOPLE DO THAT BY THE WAY? JUST FUCKING FOLLOW HIS FUCKING CIRCLE AND STAY IN THE MIDDLE LANE AND ONLY MOVE SLIGHTLY OUT BECAUSE OF THE AOES OK?)

Also, lol, hi, that's me. I'm a monk. Not a very good monk but a monk requires a lot of positioning for maximum DPS. Some folks have been able to master this positioning, shifting ever so slightly to the left or right depending on what part of their rotation it is. I have not mastered those precise movements and find that when I need to flank or attack from behind, I need to move a touch more than a more skilled monk. I found during Steps of Faith that I pretty much could not find a spot to flank without getting foot crushed.

So at least for monks and maybe dragoons that could be part of the reason why you see people getting killed by that.

If I remember correctly, monks and dragoons (now) do not need the positionals to keep their buffs up. Yes you do not maximize your dps but you do more dps when alive than you do dead. Always.

Edit:

Quote:Full disclosure, Titan EX nearly drove me to quitting and definitely drove me to drinking.

I quite remember a certain fucking -awesome- bard who could do Titan EX with her eyes closed and while not quite sober.

Edda · **05-12-2015, 12:34 PM**

(05-12-2015, 11:36 AM)Edda Wrote: So does the Shiva mount play the amazing first phase song or that second phase abomination?

Please respond, this is a much more important issue than posturing about SoF ever being hard or not.

So.

After having to do actual work to find the answer to this question (i.e., playing the actual game) and now knowing that I cannot depend on the RPC to answer the questions that matter, I can confirm that the Shiva mount does indeed play Oblivion, the shittiest primal song. For those of you who were wondering, you're welcome.

Due to this outrage, I have cancelled my subscription, uninstalled the game, threw my hard drive in the microwave, and called the police.

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