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Rahal · **06-07-2015, 07:17 PM**

1.0 had a Musketeer's guild but a Gunner class was never implemented.

Shuck · **06-07-2015, 07:20 PM**

(06-07-2015, 07:17 PM)Rahal Wrote: 1.0 had a Musketeer's guild but a Gunner class was never implemented.

We know, we were there. Machinist is what we've got instead, re-using assets that were probably for the aforementioned "gunner".

Anyway, more bits in order to keep things chugging on topic: I would like another layer for some kind of weather-prep garment. A cloak, a shawl. A /hood/.

Let's just go with hoods. Why is a hood/mantle not a thing I can make and equip?

Shuck · **06-07-2015, 08:04 PM**

(06-07-2015, 07:22 PM)Aaron Wrote: No, I understand that Captain America and Superman are differing levels of Superhuman. Your argument is that the increase of superhuman abilities isn't static.

But in FFXIV, it absolutely is static. All Hyurs have the same basic abilities just like all humans do. There is no Hyur that runs fast enough to break the sound barrier, while another runs 1 mph faster than the fastest human. That would mean one person's player character is spawned with higher or lower stats than some other dude's. Not just game stats, like strength and dexterity, but that person could run so fast they look like they're perma-sprinting, where another would look like they're performing the standard auto-run when they're using the sprint action.Â

You could even argue that race-to-race it is static (though it shouldn't be, because that's fucking stupid) There are cutscenes with Lalafell having strength comparable to Roegadyn, who also have strength comparable to Hyur.Â

Because everyone in the game is on equal physical and mental planes with one another, and we go by a system that does not exist on our Earth (ilms, fulms, malms, ponze, suns, moons, cycles, etc.) There is no real way to tell to what extent their powers exceed those of Earth humans, if they do at all.

Yeah, pretty much this. I mean, for something to be a fallacy, it has to first be false. That's what a fallacy is.

In this case, the statement isn't false. Every character in this game functions precisely the same, regardless of what you may personally want. Even from an "rp standpoint", there's a goddamned line that's quietly enforced by the community at large.

If your argument is that you have to trust the heart of the cards in order to use a scythe for warfare, in a world where everyone is superhuman in exactly the same way, regardless of physical build and stature, your argument is invalid.

Also, echoing that nobody's buying the "Detached cool guy" thing you're attempting. Nobody ever does. Anywhere. Nobody ever has, in the history of the internet. You're posting. You're invested at least as much as anyone else, and people that disagree with you, hard as it might be to accept, are by and large not frothing psychopaths.

You're wrong about scythes working in this setting. The world you're playing in doesn't support it. You can like them. You can love them! I thought they were pretty cool when I was like thirteen, so we all go through that phase, I think.

But to claim that you want them around because of some kind of function outside of harvesting plants is just absurd. They don't work that way. Also, there is no santa claus.

On topic: How about we also lift the false scarcity on housing? Is there a point to that? And to drive it into prop territory: Let's have something a little more practical, and less stylish. I don't need a mansion, or for my cottage to be someone's dreamhome. A simple wood/stone building will be just fine.

Aduu Avagnar · **06-07-2015, 08:07 PM**

(06-07-2015, 08:05 PM)Shuck Wrote:
(06-07-2015, 08:05 PM)Nako Wrote: I'm also going to leave this linkage here for the sake of posterity

Linked that previously! Where were you then. Where.

Not getting involved in heated debates Wink

Just had some more thoughts about what I wanted:
lightly armoured robes, you know, to look baller. That and some Glaives.

Aduu Avagnar · **06-07-2015, 08:13 PM**

(06-07-2015, 08:10 PM)Aaron Wrote:
(06-07-2015, 08:05 PM)Nako Wrote: I'm also going to leave this linkage here for the sake of posterity
War scythes were made because people initially using regular scythes found it impractical as weapons (but they were used as weapons which is my point)

The link even flat out says that's how they were created, from scythes

The scythe and pitchfork, farming tools, have frequently been used as a weapon by those who couldn't afford or didn't have access to more expensive weapons such as pikes, swords, or later, guns. Scythes and pitchforks were stereotypically carried by angry mobs or gangs of enraged peasants.[1] The process usually involved reforging the blade of a scythe at a 90 degree angle, strengthening the joint between the blade and the shaft with an additional metal pipe or bolts and reinforcing the shaft to better protect it against cuts from enemy blades.[citation needed] At times, instead of a scythe blade, a blade from a hand-operated chaff cutter was used.

Oh. . Â look at that!

I think when people were talking about it being an effective weapon, they were refering to it in the original state, whilst yes you could potentially wave it around and be threatening, it wouldn't be very effective, hence the reforging the blade, and turning it into a polearm you could actually wield.

However, we know you disagree with each other, you don't have to have the last word, this is only the internet. So, back on topic?

Flashhelix · **06-07-2015, 08:18 PM**

People need to use common sense, unless there's a magical field around Eorzea that somehow makes a scythe a viable weapon, then it's not a viable weapon, and this is supported by the fact we only see them in use by voidsent up to and including voidsent KINGS like Ferdiad who probably could use any makeshift weapon well because they're demons.

This isn't XI.

Aaron · **06-07-2015, 08:26 PM**

(06-07-2015, 08:22 PM)Flashhelix Wrote:
(06-07-2015, 08:19 PM)Aaron Wrote:
Quote:Every single player character can.
No, the WoL can. Tataru can't. In this world called XIV every PC is the WoL and can be anything. Not everyone as in everyone in the universe.

Quote:Â don't really want you to do anything. I don't know you.
Then stop assuming I'm trying to be cool or distasteful. If anything I hold no negative emotions to anyone who came at me. Just trying to let you apparently do what you do.

Quote:This is not FFXI. Vana'Diel is not Eorzea.Â
The same lore generally follows. XI is not so radically different from XIV that a guy can't walk around with a scythe weapon.

Its really that simple.

But it doesn't? It's two separate worlds and two separate games. If you think scythes are a viable weapon, it's up to you to explain in roleplay why the countless obvious weaknesses are not there, instead of just saying "it's pretendyland" and expecting them to be glossed over.

Sorry, was really referring to the characters and recurrningthemes. But i cant explain the dumb logic of a lot of things in XIV.

Like how a Monks fists can out damage a WAR throwing a big ass Axe at you.

Or how Garleans had giant ships that could combat Midsgardsormr but didn't have a bomb that could have nuked Eorzean forces and be done with it.

Or how the derplander got shot in the face and all it did was knock his helmet off.

If you solo out one thing, gotta acknowledge all the others.

Uther · **06-07-2015, 08:37 PM**

(06-07-2015, 08:00 PM)Nako Wrote:
(06-07-2015, 07:53 PM)Uther Wrote: Because everyone in the game is on equal physical and mental planes with one another
just want to hone in on this bit.

It is incorrect, as ascertained through the THM questline. here are people who are physically/mentaly incapable of casting THM magic.

As to what I want? gimme my rapier!

By "everyone in the game" I am referring to player characters. I'm pretty sure I can level THM on all of my characters. The THM quest can say "some people can't do it!" all they want, but every time I've walked into that building they've handed me a quest called "So You Want to be a Thaumaturge" and given me access to their abilities without question... so... Idk, make of it what you want. Also, doesn't change the physical attributes of the characters in the game, nor does it justify something about scythes. I don't even remember how this relates to the dumb scythe argument anymore.

Also, yes, rapier. Good choice.

Zoetrooper · **06-07-2015, 08:38 PM**

Be respectful of each other guys. It's ok to disagree, but not to mock or belittle.

And reopening the thread. ^_^

McBeefâ„¢ · **06-07-2015, 09:01 PM**

Can we still talk about Scythes? Because I had a good pun ready about mowing your enemies down like grass.

It would be a shame if I couldn't use it.

Erik Mynhier · **06-07-2015, 09:03 PM**

(06-07-2015, 07:20 PM)Shuck Wrote:
(06-07-2015, 07:17 PM)Rahal Wrote: 1.0 had a Musketeer's guild but a Gunner class was never implemented.

We know, we were there. Machinist is what we've got instead, re-using assets that were probably for the aforementioned "gunner".

Anyway, more bits in order to keep things chugging on topic: I would like another layer for some kind of weather-prep garment. A cloak, a shawl. A /hood/.

Let's just go with hoods. Why is a hood/mantle not a thing I can make and equip?

This...

[Image: tumblr_ndr63pNIQ61qby66zo2_400.gif]

With this mouth cover....
[Image: tumblr_ndr63pNIQ61qby66zo1_400.gif]

Dyeable with a /visor option as seen in the trailer, wearing thw same cloak but with thw hood down as he thinks about the bad shit happening and punches a pillar.

Zoetrooper · **06-07-2015, 09:03 PM**

*snerk* It's still valid as a weapon that could be introduced so I see no reason why not, just make sure it doesn't get out of hand again and people's feelings get hurt. Probably moving the whole chat forward is more prudent. I think we have moved past the scythe argument.

Aaron · **06-07-2015, 09:06 PM**

All I did was answer the op

If you could introduce a certain prop or piece of gear... what would it be?

Id like Kusarigama too tho. And yes I know how those work.

Edvyn · **06-07-2015, 09:07 PM**

i want crossbows

specifically cool repeating crossbows like wolverine uses in that bad van helsing movie

[Image: van-helsing-crossbow.jpg]

look at that thing, i want it

Aduu Avagnar · **06-07-2015, 09:08 PM**

(06-07-2015, 09:06 PM)Aaron Wrote: All I did was answer the op

If you could introduce a certain prop or piece of gear... what would it be?

You then got drawn into a protacted argument over that piece of gear, but that is besides the point. Anything else you want in?

Also, have to agree with Erik, I've been wanting a /visor for litterally anything with a hood, cowls I'm looking at you, since I started playing.

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