In the spirit of this thread, can we get SE to change Sheltron's tooltip to accurately reflect what it does now? It claims to be some nonsense about automatically blocking something, when what it really does it FORCE YOU TO DODGE EVERY SINGLE ATTACK BECAUSE WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO PACIFY THINGS?
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Astrologian card issue. |
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RE: Astrologian card issue. |
09-04-2015, 09:18 AM
I think the point is that the cards are supposed to be little more than utility and a bonus, and shouldn't be what you're relying on as an AST. I will admit, though, that getting leveling queues for dungeons where I DON'T have my cards available makes me feel like a weaker CNJ/WHM - but the boosts to the healing spells has helped with that.
And really, since you don't "need" the cards all that much, you can instead just use those Draws to set up for a boss fight if you have Royal Road and Spread. That's what I would do in dungeons like, say, Dusk Vigil. Find a Balance to put in my Spread, then use the other cards randomly until I found a "make it an AoE" card to Royal Road. Then I just lay off the cards until the boss and we have a group-wide attack buff for the first few seconds of the fight and then use whatever cards I pull afterward as appropriate. And then repeat in prep for the next boss. That or I'll just stick a refresh in my spread, Royal Road a power or time extender and throw out the next card on whoever needs it. All the cards really do is improve the situation somehow, and your performance as a healer shouldn't rely on it. If you NEED that powered-up Bole to keep your tank from dying, there might be other problems in play. |
RE: Astrologian card issue. |
09-04-2015, 03:51 PM
(09-04-2015, 09:18 AM)Gegenji Wrote: I think the point is that the cards are supposed to be little more than utility and a bonus...(snip) Agreed on all points. I've been loving this class to death because of the utility it brings, but when things start getting messy the cards are the last thing on my mind. You don't NEED them to do your job, they just make your job easier sometimes. That said I don't usually feel like I don't have enough control over the cards. Every once in a while the RNG decides I need nothing but Spires and Ewers when I've already burned one of those AND I have an extra sitting in my spread for emergencies, but...usually with the preparation described above you can come in strong for just about any fight and not have to worry about shuffle failing you. If all else fails, the cooldown timer on Draw is mercifully short. There's a bit of strategy to it. It's fun. Eliane Dufresne The Dufresne Bellworks The hand you are dealt is determinism; the way you play it is free will. |
RE: Astrologian card issue. |
09-04-2015, 11:32 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-04-2015, 11:33 PM by LiadansWhisper.)
(09-04-2015, 03:51 PM)Eliane Dufresne Wrote: Agreed on all points. I've been loving this class to death because of the utility it brings, but when things start getting messy the cards are the last thing on my mind. You don't NEED them to do your job, they just make your job easier sometimes. The issue with this is...what utility? If you don't NEED the cards to do your job, what utility are you bringing? Astrologians don't have particularly high damage, like Scholars. Â And their healing is not amazeballs, like White Mages. Â They don't bring very useful shields (even in Nocturnal, the shields are crap and smaller shields will refresh over larger ones), and their best tank CD is controlled by RNG. Outside of Essential Dignity, they bring no burst damage mitigation. So...what other "utility" are they bringing if we're not looking at cards? If we ARE looking at cards, the fact that they're totally RNG is a real issue. |
RE: Astrologian card issue. |
09-06-2015, 10:02 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-07-2015, 03:39 AM by LiadansWhisper.)
(09-06-2015, 11:59 AM)Gegenji Wrote:(09-04-2015, 11:32 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: So...what other "utility" are they bringing if we're not looking at cards? I never said they weren't. Â It's pretty clear from my post if you go back and read it again. Â I'm saying, if you're ignoring cards, what other utility do they bring? Quote:However, what I mean by them not being needed is that the class is designed so pulling a card you don't want or need doesn't "ruin" things. You pull the TP card when your tank is a Paladin or your party consists of two BRDs/NINs. You can drop that into your Spread for emergencies or burn it into Royal Road so the next card you DO use affects everyone... or you can just let it drop. And all the while your healing capability is in no way hindered from doing this since it's all off-GCD. Kind of, sort of, since you can't draw or use cards while you're got a cast bar. Â But, if it affects things so little, how useful is it really? Quote:Other than that? I think they might be better at panic-healing a group than the other two classes? I mean, Lightspeed means every heal is instant cast except for the Aspected AoE and that one's still less than a second cast time. Okay...and White Mages can't pull this off with Swiftcast + Medica/Medica II, Assize, Benediction, and Tetragrammaton? Â And should we add Divine Seal into the mix, too? Â Still better than Synastry! Â And Scholars can't pull this off with 3x Lustrate + Indominability + Emergency Tactics? Â At least they don't have to stand still when they put down their Sacred Soil (and White Mages don't have to stop moving or casting for Asylum), and with Deployment Tactics , your health is never gonna go down in the first place. Â And not only do they have Fey Illumination but they also have Dissipation. And this isn't even adding in the fact that Scholars can do truly massive damage for a healer. Quote:And not to mention they're the only one who can fill "either" roll. They have options on whether they want a regen or a shield on their Aspected heals, and can freely switch between the two depending on both situation and party make-up. Able to mold themselves around the other healer in a raid situation and a bevvy of cards that all somehow benefit your teammates in some way sounds like utility to me. Yeah...Astrologians can fill either role badly. Â They'll never be as good at straight healing as a White Mage and they'll never be as good at straight damage mitigation as a Scholar. Â Their shields don't double on crits as far as I can tell, and weaker shields can override stronger shields (the buff simply refreshes with the newer shield, it doesn't look to see which one has the most health left). Â And they're somehow not as mana efficient as Scholars or White Mages, which seems bonkers to me, but there you have it. Also, damage. Â Astrologians don't bring the damage a Scholar brings, and even a White Mage would probably be able to do more damage under Cleric Stance than an Astrologian would. So I'm just saying...the spec still needs help. Â Is it better than where it was? Â Oh yes, yes it is. Â Is it still something that would be the first choice on cutting edge content? Â Nope. Â And that's a real shame, because as long as the first choice is always going to be a White Mage or a Scholar, with Astrologian occupying the spot of, "Well, if we can't get anyone else..." it's going to suck playing one competitively. Edited because sometimes I type Scholar instead of Astrologian and I don't know why, but I blame my Scholar buddies. It's their fault. |
RE: Astrologian card issue. |
09-07-2015, 03:28 AM
I think making the redraw ability never draw the card going back in would make the function feel better to use.
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RE: Astrologian card issue. |
09-07-2015, 12:49 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-07-2015, 12:50 PM by Spethah.)
Are you guys complaining about RNG, in a game practically flooded with RNG (cough relic cough)? I've had no issues with this card problem you are all frantically debating about, if I don't need it I royal road it. Shuffle is just reloading a 1/6 RNG, there's a 1 in 6 chance of you getting the same card. You don't need to minimize RNG, that's like buffing atma drop rates which were designed to be done over a long period of tim--
Oh wait they did because people frantically complained non-stop cus they couldn't get it done in a week. Maaan you guys need to experience FFXI's version, this is a shopping trip in comparison. I'd hate to see you guys after playing Corsair, ohhh man. |
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