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Warren Castille · **11-03-2015, 11:05 AM**

(11-03-2015, 11:00 AM)Kaiz Wrote: And here I was lamenting how Garuda was the only duty that was challenging enough to be any fun...Â

*goes back to playing Dark Souls*

Overcoming challenge: Fun

Wiping to the first Mistral for 45 minutes because the healer can't understand "Get behind the rock" = Decidedly not fun

Caspar · **11-03-2015, 11:10 AM**

I think it is the hardest normal primal for new players, and arguably hard mode is easier now due to gear inflation. I suggest you level a crafter high enough to repair in dungeon though; there's no way you had to run it that many times... Right?

-no longer matters- · **11-03-2015, 11:21 AM**

Madda if you need help hit me up on Gwendolyn Belmont later. :3

LadyCleriseaux · **11-03-2015, 11:24 AM**

Would be happy to help also! I had a tough time on Garuda when I was levelling my first character

Vyce · **11-03-2015, 11:38 AM**

I've...never had this issue. I wiped once on my first run because I didn't know she changed the location at which she fires Mistral...but I've never had any issues.

Maybe it's because I have Succor and Selene on tap? I don't understand what the big deal is... why are people dying?

For that matter, why do people leave the giant whale immediately after entering the instance? What could be worth a half-hour ban from dungeons? I have NEVER seen a party wipe in there, and have never felt it was any harder than any other Primal fight.

FYI I main SCH.

-no longer matters- · **11-03-2015, 11:44 AM**

(11-03-2015, 11:38 AM)Vyce Wrote: I've...never had this issue. I wiped once on my first run because I didn't know she changed the location at which she fires Mistral...but I've never had any issues.

Maybe it's because I have Succor and Selene on tap? I don't understand what the big deal is... why are people dying?

For that matter, why do people leave the giant whale immediately after entering the instance? What could be worth a half-hour ban from dungeons? I have NEVER seen a party wipe in there, and have never felt it was any harder than any other Primal fight.

FYI I main SCH.

I've had two party wipes on Bismark. Our DPS was bad and they could not kill those snakes fast enough. I was sad. The second after we got to the last phase no one was activating the harpoons, so adds kept spawning and dps wasn't killing them fast enough, it was crazy. I was yelling get the damn harpoons. As I was starting to hold more and more ads because they where not killing them fast enough. It was a nightmare. I have no idea how that group made it to the second half of that fight.

Kage · **11-03-2015, 11:44 AM**

(11-03-2015, 11:05 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(11-03-2015, 11:00 AM)Kaiz Wrote: And here I was lamenting how Garuda was the only duty that was challenging enough to be any fun...Â

*goes back to playing Dark Souls*

Overcoming challenge: Fun

Wiping to the first Mistral for 45 minutes because the healer can't understand "Get behind the rock" = Decidedly not fun

Remember when tank lb was a thing? Now it isn't. I remember when it was once a thing.

Garuda story mode has been arguably harder than Hard mode since.... something like a year+ ago. I remember asking in Reddit for a better BLM burst at that moment and people suggested timing a freeze or Fire 2 +Swift Fire 2

(11-03-2015, 11:38 AM)Vyce Wrote: FYI I main SCH.

Healer, especially SCH, is actually one of the better roles to be good at when queueing into Garuda. Your heals are pretty good and there are a ton of WHMs who aren't... well great. A bad WHM will get wrecked by Garuda super fast, either because they don't pay attention to Garuda's telegraphs or because they over compensated healing and ran out of MP. Too many WHMs will run into Garuda spamming Cure II that by the last phase they can't do squat cause they're out of MP and don't know how to recover. Not to say a great WHM won't wreck Garuda but there are far more "bad" WHM who go into Garuda than I have seen Scholars.

And regarding Bismarck, you have not seen the amount of bad DPS. Multiple wipes and vote abandons to both Ravana and Bismarck because people can't kill things in time.

(11-03-2015, 11:44 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote: I've had two party wipes on Bismark. Our DPS was bad and they could not kill those snakes fast enough. I was sad. The second after we got to the last phase no one was activating the harpoons, so adds kept spawning and dps wasn't killing them fast enough, it was crazy. I was yelling get the damn harpoons. As I was starting to hold more and more ads because they where not killing them fast enough. It was a nightmare. I have no idea how that group made it to the second half of that fight.

I would say that it was mostly in the beginning of 3.0's launch where I had more wipes to Ravana and/or Bismarck. As tank I've had times where I was the one to grab harpoons because... no one else did. -_- The worst feeling is being in bismarck and not knowing how well you took down the snake adds. "This feels a long time" leaves you with dread so you wonder if you're about to get swallowed by him or if you're going to survive.

Warren Castille · **11-03-2015, 11:47 AM**

I've had wipes on Ravana after seeing seven swords go down.

SEVEN.

Kage · **11-03-2015, 11:49 AM**

(11-03-2015, 11:47 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: I've had wipes on Ravana after seeing seven swords go down.

SEVEN.

My immediate response to this was wanting to find that dog meme pic where it just looks shocked and like, fuck I'm taking a step back holy shite.

They never hit one of the butterflies omgawd wow D:

Madda · **11-03-2015, 11:56 AM**

Thanks to all for your advice and such. Guess it's only hard because Madda's the lowest level you can be to do it. That and Madda's never been in a situation healingwise where you have so much to heal and interrupts and LoS to deal with.Â

Sorry for venting. Madda shall git gud.

Warren Castille · **11-03-2015, 11:58 AM**

(11-03-2015, 11:56 AM)Madda Wrote: Thanks to all for your advice and such. Guess it's only hard because Madda's the lowest level you can be to do it. That and Madda's never been in a situation healingwise where you have so much to heal and interrupts and LoS to deal with.Â

Sorry for venting. Madda shall git gud.

Naw, just takes practice. Garuda takes the other lessons you're taught in primals (Don't ignore the adds on Ifrit combined with paying attention to your surroundings on Titan) and assumes you've mastered them. Combine that with the considerable power difference between lv44 and lv45 and it makes for a rough time on newcomers. Don't get discouraged, just don't be afraid to let your group know you're legitimately new to it if you return into the DF.

-no longer matters- · **11-03-2015, 12:15 PM**

(11-03-2015, 11:56 AM)Madda Wrote: Thanks to all for your advice and such. Guess it's only hard because Madda's the lowest level you can be to do it. That and Madda's never been in a situation healingwise where you have so much to heal and interrupts and LoS to deal with.Â

Sorry for venting. Madda shall git gud.

Give me a shout if you need help Madda! and Ignore the people being jerks.

Kage · **11-03-2015, 12:20 PM**

(11-03-2015, 11:56 AM)Madda Wrote: Thanks to all for your advice and such. Guess it's only hard because Madda's the lowest level you can be to do it. That and Madda's never been in a situation healingwise where you have so much to heal and interrupts and LoS to deal with.Â

Sorry for venting. Madda shall git gud.

Don't feel bad at all. Garuda is one of the difficulty ramps for healers. It is a common place for people to have issues with. (So much so that Square Enix is implementing a small nerf to some 2.0 instances and Garuda Normal is one of them.) It is just the unfortunate happenstance that a struggling healer makes the trial extremely frustrating.

Unsync will help, Playing in it with better gear will help. Make sure your gear isn't 10 ilvls behind etc, especially your main hand.

Swashbuckler · **11-03-2015, 12:26 PM**

(11-03-2015, 07:17 AM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote: Back in 2.0 when I was leveling Berrod, our group kept wiping to Garuda's limit break, even though we managed to keep a decent number of the rocks up. What we ended up doing was grinding to 45 to get the four pieces of Artifact gear. That gear gave us a significant boost and made the trial lots easier! We were able to endure the damage and push on. Gear matters for Garuda Normal!

You can always do an undersized party of non-synced folks, but where's the fun in that?

This was pretty much what I did. Doing Garuda with lv 40 gear vs doing it with lv 45 artifact gear saved me so much trouble as a Scholar.

I'd also suggest leveling when and while you can. While it's not absolutely necessary to do so, it makes things so much more easier. I actually ran a few Dzemael Darkholds just for gear before I attempted to do Garuda normal.

I'm sure I'm echo'ing what others have said already, but every little bit helps! Also, don't be afraid to ask us for help!

Vyce · **11-03-2015, 12:36 PM**

I've always considered myself a GOOD Scholar. Never not been able to carry even the narbiest BLK. It's probably the ability to use Adloquium as a trampoline...

But the other day I was running The Vault and something I can't explain was happening:

I couldn't keep up.

The tank was a WAR, and had great gear. My gear is optimized for mind with some spell speed, and usually I can get a tank to full health in a flash.

But...though she was taking regular sized pulls, my heals were not enough to maintain her. I wasn't sure if she was taking an abnormal amount of damage or if my heals were weak, but I realized early on that, huh...something isn't right here. I was having to keep physic on spam and never had her at 100%.

We made it all the way to the last fight, where the problems really started. With the inability to break from healing, I kept getting delayed on telegraphs. Even going back and forth from Adlo to Phys wasn't helping, and each time we wiped, the tank and deeps were telling me "You are doing (insert thing) wrong" so I'd try to change it, and still end up with a wipe. Both of us had great gear and nothing had changed on my end since the last time I ran it. After the 4th wipe, they kick-voted me.

Has anyone ever experienced something like that in a Primal or a dungeon? I can't for the life of me figure out what I was doing wrong.

[edit] It was more like the effectiveness of my heals was reduced, and the effectiveness of her defense of reduced, so it was constantly me spamming heals until I could get some Aetherflows going to jumpstart her health, which still seemed less effective.

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