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Caspar · **04-09-2016, 02:50 PM**

(04-08-2016, 08:47 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(04-08-2016, 08:41 PM)Chris Ganale Wrote: It really is, and people sadly forget that. The main six movies just show the space opera side of Star Wars. People were shocked by things like Republic Commando and the Dark Forces games showing a darker, grittier universe, but that's sort of the reality of the setting when you look at places like Jakku and Tattooine were there's abject poverty, thousands of years worth of cycles of warfare, and two factions of mystical glowbat swingers who have this alarming tendency to grind the rest of the galaxy to dust trying to wipe each other out every fifty or so years.

Yep, and several times the Jedi Order is almost as bad as the Sith are - they either ignore rampant corruption (which eventually led to the purge during the last days of the Old Republic), ignore threats that really shouldn't be ignored (the Mandalorian Wars come to mind), or end up adopting an "ends justify the means" mentality, which leads to Very Bad Things™.

I like that Rogue One will involve some of the "little people" stuck in the middle of all this shit going down, just trying to survive an Empire determined to crush them.

While this is readily apparent to anyone watching the prequel trilogy, Lucas himself never intentionally characterized the Jedi Order as morally ambiguous, which makes taking the franchise out of his hands so much more promising. Other writers clearly saw the potential in giving the Jedi some real moral questions to struggle against rather than sitting around spouting blithe psuedodaoist philosophy.

It was popular to think Anakin DID bring balance to the force: by killing most of the Jedi. But then Lucas immediately dispelled that theory. He never did meet a good plot turn he liked.

LiadansWhisper · **04-09-2016, 02:52 PM**

(04-09-2016, 02:50 PM)Caspar Wrote: While this is readily apparent to anyone watching the prequel trilogy, Lucas himself never intentionally characterized the Jedi Order as morally ambiguous, which makes taking the franchise out of his hands so much more promising.

It was popular to think Anakin DID bring balance to the force: by killing most of the Jedi. But then Lucas immediately dispelled that theory. He never did meet a good plot turn he liked.

I always found that funny, because it was so obvious to anyone who actually watched the movies that Anakin did exactly what he was prophesied to do - it's just that the Jedi were so sure of themselves that they actually believed "balance" was an end to all Sith, instead of the Jedi being nearly wiped out.

And yeah, I'm pretty excited it's not in his hands anymore. I feel like he was obsessed with making the Jedi the good guys, and often didn't even catch on to their failures.

Chris Ganale · **04-09-2016, 03:40 PM**

That in and of itself is why the Republic Commando novels are an extremely-close second to the X-wing series in contesting for my favorite of all Star Wars sets. Call it author tract all you like, Karen Traviss wasn't afraid to call out the bullshit of the Jedi.

Seriphyn · **04-09-2016, 03:55 PM**

Rakata Prime is still canon according to the Art of The Force Awakens (or whatever it's called). The purging of the EU may more have to do with them being able to retell it on their terms.

Flynn Rosenberg · **04-09-2016, 04:02 PM**

(04-09-2016, 03:55 PM)Seriphyn Wrote: Rakata Prime is still canon according to the Art of The Force Awakens (or whatever it's called). The purging of the EU may more have to do with them being able to retell it on their terms.

I made a graph about this, it needs filling in with books and comics though, only added games and tv shows/movies for now. Also forgot to add Rogue One just under the trilogies.

http://s30.postimg.org/9ie5yzk1t/Untitled.jpg

Basically all EU is non-canon and is put into Legends, Lucasfilm/Disney can pick and choose elements from Legends and retell it in their own way, as you said. Do people like and hate it? Yes, that's just their opinion. I'm personally thankful this happened (Goodbye Starkiller!).

They've already put a lot of Legends content in Clone Wars and Rebels, and as Pablo Hidalgo says in his Q&A on Rebels Recon, just because something from Legends is there doesn't automatically make its story canon. Malachor is in Kotor 2 and Rebels. Same planet, both stories share the planet, but both have different stories.
EDIT: Then again Malachor V was the only thing mentioned in the KOTOR series, in Clone Wars and Rebels it was simply Malachor.

LiadansWhisper · **04-10-2016, 12:49 AM**

(04-09-2016, 04:02 PM)Flynn Rosenberg Wrote:
(04-09-2016, 03:55 PM)Seriphyn Wrote: Rakata Prime is still canon according to the Art of The Force Awakens (or whatever it's called). The purging of the EU may more have to do with them being able to retell it on their terms.
I made a graph about this, it needs filling in with books and comics though, only added games and tv shows/movies for now. Also forgot to add Rogue One just under the trilogies.

http://s30.postimg.org/9ie5yzk1t/Untitled.jpg

Basically all EU is non-canon and is put into Legends, Lucasfilm/Disney can pick and choose elements from Legends and retell it in their own way, as you said. Do people like and hate it? Yes, that's just their opinion. I'm personally thankful this happened (Goodbye Starkiller!).

How it was explained to me is that unless it was specifically thrown out (the EU after Episode 6 was completely thrown out to be replaced), it's one of those "it might be, it might not be," but until they explicitly say, "this didn't happen," or rewrite the history, it can still be considered "sorta canon."

Quote:They've already put a lot of Legends content in Clone Wars and Rebels, and as Pablo Hidalgo says in his Q&A on Rebels Recon, just because something from Legends is there doesn't automatically make its story canon. Malachor is in Kotor 2 and Rebels. Same planet, both stories share the planet, but both have different stories.
EDIT: Then again Malachor V was the only thing mentioned in the KOTOR series, in Clone Wars and Rebels it was simply Malachor.

One thing to keep in mind is that KOTOR/SWTOR take place almost 4000 (in the case of KOTOR) and 3600 years, respectively, before the Battle of Yavin. It's entirely possible that names have changed over that long period of time. So Malachor may very well be the same planet we saw in KOTOR/SWTOR, and the name just changed over three millenia.

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