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Warren Castille · **07-13-2016, 07:41 PM**

(07-13-2016, 07:20 PM)Aaron Wrote: snip

Which Vader are we taking, the young one that got completely wrecked by his teacher twice his age or the older one who got completely wrecked by the person half his age, after he was 50% tireless robot?

Aaron · **07-13-2016, 07:52 PM**

(07-13-2016, 07:41 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 07:20 PM)Aaron Wrote: snip

Which Vader are we taking, the young one that got completely wrecked by his teacher twice his age or the older one who got completely wrecked by the person half his age, after he was 50% tireless robot?

Doesn't matter about his own personal body, Galens training was described as brutal and extreme nonetheless.

Also the only reason he lost if we're being technical is because he was a rigid robot. Had he been the same guy that beheaded Count Dooku (You know the guy Obi Wan couldn't beat even with Anakins help) things might've been different.

That Anakin also wrecked Cin Draling. You remember him right? The you know, Jedi Master?

And Galen beat Shaak Ti, also a Jedi master.

Warren Castille · **07-13-2016, 07:57 PM**

(07-13-2016, 07:52 PM)Aaron Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 07:41 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 07:20 PM)Aaron Wrote: snip

Which Vader are we taking, the young one that got completely wrecked by his teacher twice his age or the older one who got completely wrecked by the person half his age, after he was 50% tireless robot?
Doesn't matter about his own personal body, Galens training was described as brutal and extreme nonetheless.

Also the only reason he lost if we're being technical is because he was a rigid robot. Had he been the same guy that beheaded Count Dooku (You know the guy Obi Wan couldn't beat even with Anakins help) things might've been different.

That Galen also wrecked Cin Draling. You remember him right? The you know, Jedi Master?

Okay, we'll file off the names. Is it the guy who lost to his teacher or the guy who lost to an inexperienced child?

Aaron · **07-13-2016, 07:59 PM**

(07-13-2016, 07:57 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 07:52 PM)Aaron Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 07:41 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 07:20 PM)Aaron Wrote: snip

Which Vader are we taking, the young one that got completely wrecked by his teacher twice his age or the older one who got completely wrecked by the person half his age, after he was 50% tireless robot?
Doesn't matter about his own personal body, Galens training was described as brutal and extreme nonetheless.

Also the only reason he lost if we're being technical is because he was a rigid robot. Had he been the same guy that beheaded Count Dooku (You know the guy Obi Wan couldn't beat even with Anakins help) things might've been different.

That Galen also wrecked Cin Draling. You remember him right? The you know, Jedi Master?

Okay, we'll file off the names. Is it the guy who lost to his teacher or the guy who lost to an inexperienced child?

It's the guy who killed jedi masters and SITH lords and only lost to his teacher because of arrogance rather than skill.

And the guy that lost to a child simply because said child was naturally more mobile and raw with the force.

***Teadrinker*** · **07-13-2016, 08:04 PM**

I've noticed that a lot of people tend to design their characters as catch alls. Like:

"Oh well she's really good at magic so I need to make it so she's good at something physical too or else she'll get owned."

.....Or maybe she sucks at physical combat and needs a tank. There. You just created an RP hook while having a believable weakness.

People roleplay like some mystery character is gonna fly our of the night and magically know their weakness and own them in the Quicksand. It's freaking bizarre to me. People barely get walk up due to shyness, I assure you no one cares that much to do that to you and if they do they probably need to be on your blacklist anyway.

Caspar · **07-13-2016, 08:06 PM**

(07-13-2016, 07:52 PM)Aaron Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 07:41 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 07:20 PM)Aaron Wrote: snip

Which Vader are we taking, the young one that got completely wrecked by his teacher twice his age or the older one who got completely wrecked by the person half his age, after he was 50% tireless robot?
Doesn't matter about his own personal body, Galens training was described as brutal and extreme nonetheless.

Also the only reason he lost if we're being technical is because he was a rigid robot. Had he been the same guy that beheaded Count Dooku (You know the guy Obi Wan couldn't beat even with Anakins help) things might've been different.

That Anakin also wrecked Cin Draling. You remember him right? The you know, Jedi Master?

And Galen beat Shaak Ti, also a Jedi master.

Again this is a bad example because the skill and ability to display experience varies wildly between depiction. Dooku is a particularly egregious example of plot fiat as he jobs both of his appearances to make one of the heroes appear badass. This works (poorly) only in closed narrative.

Aaron · **07-13-2016, 08:25 PM**

(07-13-2016, 08:06 PM)Caspar Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 07:52 PM)Aaron Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 07:41 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 07:20 PM)Aaron Wrote: snip

Which Vader are we taking, the young one that got completely wrecked by his teacher twice his age or the older one who got completely wrecked by the person half his age, after he was 50% tireless robot?
Doesn't matter about his own personal body, Galens training was described as brutal and extreme nonetheless.

Also the only reason he lost if we're being technical is because he was a rigid robot. Had he been the same guy that beheaded Count Dooku (You know the guy Obi Wan couldn't beat even with Anakins help) things might've been different.

That Anakin also wrecked Cin Draling. You remember him right? The you know, Jedi Master?

And Galen beat Shaak Ti, also a Jedi master.
Again this is a bad example because the skill and ability to display experience varies wildly between depiction. Dooku is a particularly egregious example of plot fiat as he jobs both of his appearances to make one of the heroes appear badass. This works (poorly) only in closed narrative.

Hmm? Oh I forgot about that. I thought me and Warren were now just swinging our internet lightsaber at each other lol

Kellach Woods · **07-13-2016, 09:18 PM**

(07-13-2016, 07:41 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 07:20 PM)Aaron Wrote: snip

Which Vader are we taking, the young one that got completely wrecked by his teacher twice his age or the older one who got completely wrecked by the person half his age, after he was 50% tireless robot?

The guy who went to Japan, defeated Antonio Inoki, had a monster run over there, and then floundered in the US due to backstage politics.

4wheel · **07-14-2016, 01:55 AM**

(07-13-2016, 09:18 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 07:41 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 07:20 PM)Aaron Wrote: snip

Which Vader are we taking, the young one that got completely wrecked by his teacher twice his age or the older one who got completely wrecked by the person half his age, after he was 50% tireless robot?

The guy who went to Japan, defeated Antonio Inoki, had a monster run over there, and then floundered in the US due to backstage politics.

Oh yeah, the one who had his eye come out of its socket during a botch and just pushed it back in with his bare hand.

Heidrek · **07-14-2016, 04:51 AM**

(07-14-2016, 01:55 AM)4wheel Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 09:18 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 07:41 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 07:20 PM)Aaron Wrote: snip

Which Vader are we taking, the young one that got completely wrecked by his teacher twice his age or the older one who got completely wrecked by the person half his age, after he was 50% tireless robot?

The guy who went to Japan, defeated Antonio Inoki, had a monster run over there, and then floundered in the US due to backstage politics.

Oh yeah, the one who had his eye come out of its socket during a botch and just pushed it back in with his bare hand.

Warren Castille · **07-14-2016, 08:34 AM**

I really don't want this to become the "derail and dump on Aaron" thread, but I had a lightbulb pop up this morning.

What exactly is meant by "did nothing but train for 3 years?" Is that during off-time, or like, full on "I spend sun-up to sun down perfecting my art" kind of stuff? I only ask because that brings up the other relevant questions pertaining to the setting: How did Aaron live for those 3 years? Training doesn't pay bills or buy food. Nutrition is a huge, huge part of fitness and if he was starving that would have impacted his ability to train himself. Conversely, if he was holding down a job, that would put his training by the wayside for, you know, surviving.

The Calamity was 5-7 years ago, and wiki says Aaron is 23. So he was 16-18 when the world got blowed up, and went through an intense rebuilding stage. I'm legitimately curious as to how all of the timing shakes out (or if it doesn't, because fitting backstory into a fluid, partially-retconned official timeline makes for a headache). Did Aaron skip out on the laborious process of helping to rebuild his home and/or world in favor of learning how to fight? He's also a fairly well-adjusted, albeit apathetic, human being, which means he wasn't secluded in a forest or something Gohan-style trying to learn his way.

This isn't meant as an EXPLAIN YOURSELF kind of question or post, but it got me thinking about my own characters and their methods, too. Off-screening stuff is a tried and true practice to explain how we know things, but I never really considered how feasible it might've been. It's given me a lot of food for thought.

Aaron · **07-14-2016, 09:12 AM**

(07-14-2016, 08:34 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: I really don't want this to become the "derail and dump on Aaron" thread, but I had a lightbulb pop up this morning.

What exactly is meant by "did nothing but train for 3 years?" Is that during off-time, or like, full on "I spend sun-up to sun down perfecting my art" kind of stuff? I only ask because that brings up the other relevant questions pertaining to the setting: How did Aaron live for those 3 years? Training doesn't pay bills or buy food. Nutrition is a huge, huge part of fitness and if he was starving that would have impacted his ability to train himself. Conversely, if he was holding down a job, that would put his training by the wayside for, you know, surviving.

The Calamity was 5-7 years ago, and wiki says Aaron is 23. So he was 16-18 when the world got blowed up, and went through an intense rebuilding stage. I'm legitimately curious as to how all of the timing shakes out (or if it doesn't, because fitting backstory into a fluid, partially-retconned official timeline makes for a headache). Did Aaron skip out on the laborious process of helping to rebuild his home and/or world in favor of learning how to fight? He's also a fairly well-adjusted, albeit apathetic, human being, which means he wasn't secluded in a forest or something Gohan-style trying to learn his way.

This isn't meant as an EXPLAIN YOURSELF kind of question or post, but it got me thinking about my own characters and their methods, too. Off-screening stuff is a tried and true practice to explain how we know things, but I never really considered how feasible it might've been. It's given me a lot of food for thought.

That wiki was a failed attempt at being like everyone else. I forgot I had it for a moment so I'd take anything there with a grain of salt.

As for the three years part, and the calamity Aaron was indeed, homeless (Why do you think he has zero problem begging for stuff? Or the fact that he literally has almost no emotional attachment? He's been through a lot, just ignores it well lol) And when he wasn't looking for food or w/e, he was out in whatever fuggin place playing with magic or using a sword (I'd assume he found) in hopes of being good enough to be a mercenary. And get paid to half ass his job (he says he doesn't kill the target, which he doesn't. You'll have to get somebody else to kill them)

Now, I'd assume during those three years, considering if Aaron only ate sparingly and didn't care if he wore raggedy clothes (he doesn't) Aaron would practice a bit non stop if anything to pass the time. Once he got on his feet though (current Aaron) he got lazy as fuck cause he already has a job and got some rep as a decent mercenary so he went Fuck it if I can get away with being a deadbeat for free this time ima do it.

Least that's what I got going in my head, been a while since I thought about it. But Yeah, Aaron did nothing special and did Jack shit helping anyone but himself really. Been meaning to update that into the wiki but Fuck it ain't nobody got time for that.

Valence · **07-14-2016, 09:25 AM**

Are we really taking StarWars as a realistic point of analogy?

Well in any case then I guess that it tends to show the importance on the difference between the audiences/demographics and tone of story you want to aim for...

Warren Castille · **07-14-2016, 09:33 AM**

There was a pretty decent conversation about where people get imprinted by fiction and how that sets standards on how a story should progress and climax, as well as what makes a "proper" heroic protagonist.

We used Lord of the Rings and DBZ as comparison points.

On the one hand, Frodo is scared and angsty because of his duty and the flaws and hubris of man lay the grounds for betrayal, corruption, death and sacrifice in order to save the day. On the other hand, Gohan kills the most powerful antagonist in the world with one arm after also mastering the most difficult transformation technique before he's legally able to drink.

Ebbs and flows.

Aaron · **07-14-2016, 10:02 AM**

(07-14-2016, 09:25 AM)Valence Wrote: Are we really taking StarWars as a realistic point of analogy?

Well in any case then I guess that it tends to show the importance on the difference between the audiences/demographics and tone of story you want to aim for...

If we're really going to be technical.

Almost nothing about this game is realistic. To people that absolutely must have 100% realism in their stuff or closer quite frankly is better of playing something like the sims.

But ima just avoid delving too much into that.

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