yooooo him taking a swing at Minfilia tho
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Discussion [Spoilers] 3.4 MSQ Discussion Thread |
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RE: [Spoilers] 3.4 MSQ Discussion Thread |
10-09-2016, 02:38 AM
Up front, I missed out on 1.0 Ascilla/Minfilia. I've heard that those early experiences with the character alter the impression of her. However...
It took three years, an expansion, being consumed by the frigging mother crystal, and the suicidal crystal-offerings of the saviors of an entire world to FINALLY end Minfilia's reign as Miss Ostensible of Eorzea. AND NOW THAT SHE'S ACTUALLY ARGUABLY DOING SOMETHING, IT'S OFF SCREEN. Off WORLD even!! The NPCs are all "No, Minnie! We all miss you so much! What will we do without you!?" Meanwhile, I'm standing there all, "Actually, kinda forgot you were gone? Occasionally visit your office, but it's still got a weird kid in it obsessed with sending us to fight primals. I guess your function is covered? Plus they can do more in a fight than yell out a weirdly sensual, 'Nooo!' It's strange, but without you there to call us back to the mother bleeping no-aetheryte Itchy Sands, all the competent members of the team (and Alf) just do our damn jobs. So... TTYLOMGSorryNotSorry" |
RE: [Spoilers] 3.4 MSQ Discussion Thread |
10-13-2016, 04:21 AM
I don't like these options. I was looking for this one: "AY MABBE I SHOULD GO PICK UP THOSE FCKING EYEBALLS MY DUMB ASS THREW OFF THE DAMN BRIDGE." Seriously, the eyes were about as predictable as getting ran over by a Zamboni. In fact, can we just go back to Ishgard? I am 0% excited for Ala Mhigo. I mean, the Ala Mhigans are kinda assholes. There I SAID IT. YALL SUCK. Borderline as bad as Garlemald invading shit just cause ya can then you get mad when someone does it to you. Though I am REALLY happy that the eyes involvement in further Ala Mhigan conflicts essentially cements Ishgard's involvement in 4.0. Also I really have no idea what the relationship between Thancred and Minnie is. Like not a damn clue. Did he love her? Was he like a brother? A dad? I CAN'T TELL. I CAN'T HAVE SYMPATHY FOR THEIR PARTING IF I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY ARE RELATED, SQUARE. Also when the Ascian in white, Elder Bus or whatever his name is, appeared with the Griffin I really just honestly facedesked. Like "THIS SHIT AGAIN. AND AGAIN." Wasn't this dude supposed to be a messenger or envoy or spectator ro something and that's why he was in white? Correct me if I'm wrong there, but there he goes messing with shit. Also am I the only one starting to notice the correlation between this and Kingdom Hearts? The whole Heartless/Nobodies and thew Dark/Light thing? Like apparently all light is bad too. But then doesn't that technically make Hydaelyan evil? What is even going on. Why is my character even doing anything. Oh, and Yda being some Ala Mhigan princess or whatever is Zamboni 2.0. OH. And when Alisae pulled out her "aetherical blade" as she calls it later in the rising stones. I'm not gonna touch on the details of that but this is my face. I'm hoping they'll go back and explain that one because they should but I'm really expecting them not to because that would involve explaining something in the world and SE doesn't like to do that. |
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RE: [Spoilers] 3.4 MSQ Discussion Thread |
10-13-2016, 06:09 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-13-2016, 06:10 AM by Valence.)
I'm eager to leave Ishgard. It wasn't super enthusiastic about it at first, and then it started to grow a bit on me, but I'm bored of that cliché medieval fantasy knights vs dragons trope thing. It was well done at least though, I can grant them that.
Ala-Migho/Garlemald all the way. Can't wait. Balmung:Â Suen Shyu
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RE: [Spoilers] 3.4 MSQ Discussion Thread |
10-13-2016, 10:15 AM
I thought Ishgard was super interesting. Or at least, it had the potential to be super interesting.
Heavensward writing was a mess. The pacing was shitty and the focus was terrible. I have no hope that Ala Mhigo will be any better in the slightest. I am not on board with the game's fetish for the Scions of the Seventh Dawn. I get that they're essentially the "main" characters and the vehicle our characters use to travel all over the place and beat up primals, but the characters are flat and completely uninteresting. I don't care! I want to see Ishgard. I want to delve into a conflicted theocracy undergoing rapid, sudden change. I want to see more of these cool characters, and not the ones I definitively do not give a single shit about. Comparitively to the Scions, Aymeric is cool. Estinien was great. Ysayle was really good. Lucia was interesting. Those fucking Fortemps brats were more compelling as characters and had better character arcs than the Scooby-Doo Gang of the Seventh Dawn bopping around the world and killing primals. The Heavensward writing is flat, but I care more about seeing these characters than I do seeing the Scions. I don't care about Thancred's missing pants. I don't care about Krile functionally replacing Minfillia. I stopped caring about Alphinaud when he had the audacity to tell the Warrior of fucking Light to hand out T-shirts to the Crystal Braves. At no point does the story even attempt to portray that Thordan actually has a good point. People love the status quo and, as a whole, hate change. Pulling the rug out from under them by revealing the war should have caused more mass chaos, more conflict than Aymeric getting stabbed by a fruit knife and one crazy lady on a rooftop getting shot with an arrow. In no setting can you get me to believe that a militant, zealous theocracy centred around the waging of a genocidal war can smoothly transition to a two house democratic republic with no issues. Ala Mhigo has the potential to have a lot of interesting themes and conflict. I just don't trust the writers to actually explore any of that, because who bothers exploring interesting themes and conflict when we can watch Yda be a princess or some shit? Look, Papalymo is hitting someone with Tupsimati! That's interesting, right? No. The Warriors of Darkness were pretty decent, but the conflict with the Ascians should really be a background thing, a sinister undertone that adds to the gravity of the Warrior of Light going around and saving the world. The instant you shove the mysteries in our face--repeatedly--it stops being a mystery and it takes all the proactivity away from our characters. Here's how we handle the Ascians: we sit on our happy asses and wait for them to do something, then react. And maybe we'll save Ishgard on the side if we feel like it. It should be the other way around. We should be proactively going to stop the Dragonsong war as our main motivation. We should be going to liberate Ala Mhigo as our main motivation. I don't think we should be going there with the Scions, waiting for the Ascians, and "Yeah cool the Ascians aren't doing anything, I guess we should liberate Ala Mhigo". |
RE: [Spoilers] 3.4 MSQ Discussion Thread |
10-13-2016, 10:29 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-13-2016, 10:33 AM by Valence.)
Because you have seen a lot of interesting ishgardian characters? I'm genuinely curious really. I find Aymeric pretty alright and not flat and trite as I found him the first time I saw him, but I don't find him especially better than the Scions (except Minfillia). I almost think that most of his persona is flatly designed to please the female audience, which seems to work admirably well, and nothing wrong with that, to the contrary... But besides that... meh. He got way better in 3.2-3.4 though. I like him now, we got to see his dreams, doubts, etc. But I would also like to see more of his failings. More of his pragmatic side we barely saw the first time we met him in 2.4.
For example, I didn't find Estinien great at all. He had the potential to be great, with his internal darkness and all, but he just shuts it up most of the time and plays the brooding dragoon. He then gets possessed like an idiot (why not) and literally gets to play Thancred's role in the battle for Ultima Weapon (who was also possessed, but by ascians). Those possessed characters don't exactly hold any personality left of them to make an impression in my opinion. The only time where Estinien got a bit fleshed out (a bit... since he always broods and never complains) was during the trip with Ysayle. I can admit that their mutual relationship was interesting, but it never really took off in my view. I like Ysayle way more than at first impression yeah. Still not totally sold on her as well. SE has really lacked the fundamental part of storytelling since 2.0 (can't say for 1.0 I didn't play it), which is character development. Ysayle most of the time spent her time in the background, following the warrior of light after she stopped being the apparent 2 dimensional ishgard villain (it was interesting to see that what seemed to be in the Dragonsong conflict actually wasn't black and white, that's the main strength of its story). Her sacrifice at the end was telegraphed. But I think I'm nitpicking because overall, I like her okay. I don't find Lucia interesting at all. She is bland to me. Her only redeeming (and potential!) value is that she may have something for Aymeric, which makes her seem at least a bit human. And if that's not even the case, then what? She is an empty husk, and not even in the positive storytelling sense. She has literally nothing for her. It's not even easy to describe her considering how void of character she is... Compared to all the Scions up to 3.0, and all the Scions minus Y'shtola up to 3.3? Sure, they are ten times above. The Scions were so abysmally void that it was repelling (almost as much as Minfillia's prepubescent player-bait cleavage). What makes me rather hopeful and optimistic though, is what they did in 3.4. It's the first time I see a patch mostly focused on character development, besides what we already had on Alphinaud with his dreams of grandeurs and the crystal braves (which was kind of meh but ended awesome thanks to Lolorito). I had good hopes for Alisaie, and they really made a believable character with flaws, doubts and all with her. She's not all awesome and altruistic like some. But it makes her inner strength, emotions and failings even more brilliant in comparison. I even started to like Yda and Papalimo. Or at least, not hate them like I did before. I hope they continue on that path, which is, improvement. If we start to discover how deep some apparently bland and non fleshed out characters are, I'm all for it really. It can be quite a nice twist. Balmung: Suen Shyu
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RE: [Spoilers] 3.4 MSQ Discussion Thread |
10-13-2016, 12:15 PM
I have a (possibly silly) question. So, the Warring Triad.... They were caged and having their power siphoned to power a lot of the Allag technology right?
So, if we destroy all three, won't Azys Lla fall out the sky without its power source? |
RE: [Spoilers] 3.4 MSQ Discussion Thread |
10-13-2016, 12:58 PM
HW story felt rushed. I'm so sad to see not much struggle in Ishgard itself. I really hope if we go Ala Mhigo, retaking it will be a lot tougher and bloodier. But I don't have high hopes at this point. I know its a MMO, and they can't rush things, and I'd sooner have them do this then what Blizzard does, with year of no content.
But yeh, I would have liked have seen more civil unrest? Idk. It just felt rushed. |
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