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Arashin Kujqai · **07-14-2017, 11:12 PM**

(07-14-2017, 10:45 AM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: From Sounsyy's posts, I would recommend these, specifically the bolded ones. Do note that some of them contain links to other pages. It does mean going through the related links and their related links.

Crash Course in Eorzean Aetherology
- Aetherology 101 - What is Aether, the Lifestream, and the Aetherytes?
- Aetherology 102 - Corrupted Aether and Aethersickness
- Aetherology 201 - Schools of Magick, Aether Sources, Foci, and Channeling Aids
- Aetherology 202 - Essences & Permutations: A Treatise of the Six Elements
- Thaumaturgy 301 - Manipulating the Polarities Two, Astral versus Umbral
- Thaumaturgy 302 - The Religion of Thaumaturgy, The Order of Nald'thal
- Black Magic 701 - Origins of the Forbidden Black
- Conjury 402 - Hearers and the Elemental Religion of Nophica

It's a shame the forum doesn't have a way for me to save or pin posts. This is incredibly useful and the nerd inside me is oddly turned on @.@! But in all seriousness, amazing compilation.. I have a side question in regards to a quote.

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Quote:Encyclopedia Eorzea:Â â€œUp until Dalamudâ€™s fall, many Sixth Astral Era scholars convinced themselves that the fact there had already been six Calamitiesâ€”each representing one of the six elementsâ€”was proof that there could not be a seventh and that the Sixth Astral era would last indefinitely. However, subsequent study of Garlean Empire legatus Nael van Darnusâ€™s Meteor project would eventually lead these scholars to the conclusion that the attack by Bahamut was indeed a Calamity, though one represented not by any one element, but rather consisting of all the elements charged astrally.â€

So considering the events that happened between Omega and Shinryu being known as a calamity, would this just be another comparative calamity to that of Bahamut's time or did it take it upon itself to use new elements in some way(nidhogg's energies and supposed allag tech?). Or are they just comparing it and not truly claiming it to be a calamity(or else I suppose they would call it the eight something or another calamity?).

I also read a bit saying thaumaturges can not only control the astral and umbral polarity in themselves but potentially in other beings. What I'd like to know at this point is, is the power to control one's polarities limited to the knowledge of thaumaturgy or can anyone learn this concept without speaking through their guild? Also, does this mean that just about anyone can draw from either pole no matter what? (again, I still swear I saw mention in the RDM quest and Alisae about them being naturally more aligned and why their healing has been off).

L'ohba Tia · **07-14-2017, 11:43 PM**

(07-14-2017, 11:12 PM)Valic Wrote:
(07-14-2017, 10:45 AM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: From Sounsyy's posts, I would recommend these, specifically the bolded ones. Do note that some of them contain links to other pages. It does mean going through the related links and their related links.

Crash Course in Eorzean Aetherology
- Aetherology 101 - What is Aether, the Lifestream, and the Aetherytes?
- Aetherology 102 - Corrupted Aether and Aethersickness
- Aetherology 201 - Schools of Magick, Aether Sources, Foci, and Channeling Aids
- Aetherology 202 - Essences & Permutations: A Treatise of the Six Elements
- Thaumaturgy 301 - Manipulating the Polarities Two, Astral versus Umbral
- Thaumaturgy 302 - The Religion of Thaumaturgy, The Order of Nald'thal
- Black Magic 701 - Origins of the Forbidden Black
- Conjury 402 - Hearers and the Elemental Religion of Nophica
It's a shame the forum doesn't have a way for me to save or pin posts. This is incredibly useful and the nerd inside me is oddly turned on @.@! But in all seriousness, amazing compilation.. I have a side question in regards to a quote.

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Quote:Encyclopedia Eorzea:Â â€œUp until Dalamudâ€™s fall, many Sixth Astral Era scholars convinced themselves that the fact there had already been six Calamitiesâ€”each representing one of the six elementsâ€”was proof that there could not be a seventh and that the Sixth Astral era would last indefinitely. However, subsequent study of Garlean Empire legatus Nael van Darnusâ€™s Meteor project would eventually lead these scholars to the conclusion that the attack by Bahamut was indeed a Calamity, though one represented not by any one element, but rather consisting of all the elements charged astrally.â€
So considering the events that happened between Omega and Shinryu being known as a calamity, would this just be another comparative calamity to that of Bahamut's time or did it take it upon itself to use new elements in some way(nidhogg's energies and supposed allag tech?). Or are they just comparing it and not truly claiming it to be a calamity(or else I suppose they would call it the eight something or another calamity?).

I also read a bit saying thaumaturges can not only control the astral and umbral polarity in themselves but potentially in other beings. What I'd like to know at this point is, is the power to control one's polarities limited to the knowledge of thaumaturgy or can anyone learn this concept without speaking through their guild? Also, does this mean that just about anyone can draw from either pole no matter what? (again, I still swear I saw mention in the RDM quest and Alisae about them being naturally more aligned and why their healing has been off).

Why would Omega and Shinryu's fight be considered a Calamity? They hardly even did any damage.

As for the Umbral and Astral, I would think that learning to manipulate the polarities would be something any mage would learn as part of the basics. Thaumaturgy is heavily centered around the two polarities, which tie into their religious philosophies, but there's no reason a conjurer or arcanist would just completely ignore how useful and vital they are to manipulate.

Arashin Kujqai · **07-14-2017, 11:49 PM**

(07-14-2017, 11:43 PM)L Wrote:
(07-14-2017, 11:12 PM)Valic Wrote:
(07-14-2017, 10:45 AM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: From Sounsyy's posts, I would recommend these, specifically the bolded ones. Do note that some of them contain links to other pages. It does mean going through the related links and their related links.

Crash Course in Eorzean Aetherology
- Aetherology 101 - What is Aether, the Lifestream, and the Aetherytes?
- Aetherology 102 - Corrupted Aether and Aethersickness
- Aetherology 201 - Schools of Magick, Aether Sources, Foci, and Channeling Aids
- Aetherology 202 - Essences & Permutations: A Treatise of the Six Elements
- Thaumaturgy 301 - Manipulating the Polarities Two, Astral versus Umbral
- Thaumaturgy 302 - The Religion of Thaumaturgy, The Order of Nald'thal
- Black Magic 701 - Origins of the Forbidden Black
- Conjury 402 - Hearers and the Elemental Religion of Nophica
It's a shame the forum doesn't have a way for me to save or pin posts. This is incredibly useful and the nerd inside me is oddly turned on @.@! But in all seriousness, amazing compilation.. I have a side question in regards to a quote.

"

Quote:Encyclopedia Eorzea:Â â€œUp until Dalamudâ€™s fall, many Sixth Astral Era scholars convinced themselves that the fact there had already been six Calamitiesâ€”each representing one of the six elementsâ€”was proof that there could not be a seventh and that the Sixth Astral era would last indefinitely. However, subsequent study of Garlean Empire legatus Nael van Darnusâ€™s Meteor project would eventually lead these scholars to the conclusion that the attack by Bahamut was indeed a Calamity, though one represented not by any one element, but rather consisting of all the elements charged astrally.â€
So considering the events that happened between Omega and Shinryu being known as a calamity, would this just be another comparative calamity to that of Bahamut's time or did it take it upon itself to use new elements in some way(nidhogg's energies and supposed allag tech?). Or are they just comparing it and not truly claiming it to be a calamity(or else I suppose they would call it the eight something or another calamity?).

I also read a bit saying thaumaturges can not only control the astral and umbral polarity in themselves but potentially in other beings. What I'd like to know at this point is, is the power to control one's polarities limited to the knowledge of thaumaturgy or can anyone learn this concept without speaking through their guild? Also, does this mean that just about anyone can draw from either pole no matter what? (again, I still swear I saw mention in the RDM quest and Alisae about them being naturally more aligned and why their healing has been off).

Why would Omega and Shinryu's fight be considered a Calamity? They hardly even did any damage.

As for the Umbral and Astral, I would think that learning to manipulate the polarities would be something any mage would learn as part of the basics. Thaumaturgy is heavily centered around the two polarities, which tie into their religious philosophies, but there's no reason a conjurer or arcanist would just completely ignore how useful and vital they are to manipulate.

I remember Alphinaud comparing it to one quite often in terms of the complete mess of aether in the area.. I do kinda remember a flood, some giant dragon blasts and tremors caused from their battle...

I see...

**Unnamed Mercenary** · **07-15-2017, 12:07 AM**

(07-14-2017, 11:12 PM)Valic Wrote: It's a shame the forum doesn't have a way for me to save or pin posts. This is incredibly useful and the nerd inside me is oddly turned on @.@! But in all seriousness, amazing compilation...

Since the follow up questions have been answered, I'll focus just on this part.

There's a secret hidden notepad just for you in the User CP! ...or you can subscribe to those threads. Sounsyy keeps a nicely updated Lore Compilation thread, which is pinned in this Lore Discussion Forum. For posts that haven't been categorized yet, they're in some spoilered blocks separated between RPC Forums and Tumblr.

You can also do combined keyword AND user searches in our Advanced Search area, which allowed for some pretty cool stuff. ...usually if I can't find a post that I swear I've read, I do something like this:

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Virella · **07-15-2017, 01:10 AM**

If it was a Calamity, be rest assured, that every NPC under the sun would be talking about it.

Arashin Kujqai · **07-17-2017, 05:16 AM**

(07-15-2017, 01:10 AM)Virella Wrote: If it was a Calamity, be rest assured, that every NPC under the sun would be talking about it.

They weren't?...

On a new subject, now with more study and understanding of it all. Just a simple terminology question... If I was to describe something of aether, would I say aetheric or aetherial? Like for the examples below....

"His body was cast back into the aetherial realm from which it was brought."

Or

"The generator is emitting a form of aetheric field, inhibiting our spells."

Feels like you can interchange or swap the two words and it'd still get the same concept across, but I wasn't sure if one would be more grammatically correct or if it was even a word in FFXIV lore. Or is it just aetheric meaning "of likeness to" while aetherial meaning "of aether"?

Narissis · **07-19-2017, 12:54 PM**

A "calamity" in Eorzea isn't just a a description of a devastating disaster; it's an historical designation formally assigned, and marks the transition from Astral to Umbral era.

The battle between Shinryu and Omega was not designated a calamity by the leaders and historians of Eorzea, and did not begin an Umbral era. Ergo, it is not a calamity. Largely, I would presume, because most of the damage they did was to one another and not to the world itself. There were some casualties, but not at a world-changing scale. And the surface of the world itself was not significantly changed apart from a few inflicted scars.

IIRC there have been some calamities in the past of similarly minor impact, but the difference between this event and those is the designation.

Still, most calamities are far more destructive. One was an ice age. One was a great flood. And one, of course, was Dalamud/Bahamut, which we can see just from touring the gameworld caused an order of magnitude more damage than Omega/Shinryu.

Arashin Kujqai · **07-19-2017, 05:56 PM**

Found some of the dialogue, not all of it but...

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Melwyrb's comment supposedly implies what happened between Shinryu and Omega was a potential Calamity averted.

Then this lil bit....

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Putting emphasis that the fight was of similar magnitude to a previous calamity that caused such destruction and chaos of aether.

Kilieit · **07-19-2017, 06:13 PM**

The more we learn about the Calamities, the more it seems like they are distinct events with properties that the main protagonists don't yet fully understand. Not every major disaster is going to be a Calamity, because Calamities have distinct metaphysical properties. Certainly, it's likely that particular involved parties were trying to cause a Calamity the Ardor when they gifted the Eyes to the person they did... but it's clear they did not succeed, or you can bet Midgardsomr would have had a whine in our ears about it by now.

Yian Kutku · **07-20-2017, 02:47 AM**

Speaking of Midgardsormr, I've always wondered if the Battle of Silvertear Skies might have been classified as a Calamity in any other situation, since it changed the aetherial landscape on a wide scale. It apparently made the summoning of Primals much easier, which, in the absence of Echo-blessed adventurers, would have been a lot more damaging than they ended up being.

And then Bahamut happened, which changed the aetherial and physical landscape on an even wider scale.

Valence · **07-20-2017, 03:19 PM**

I suppose it paved the way for a Calamity.

Also, nobody said that a Calamity suddenly happens in seconds (even if it can last long past that). Take the Great Flood for example, it didn't happened in a matter of minutes. People had limited time to prepare. I took time to just come, and happen.

With that in mind you could perfectly argue that Silvertears was just the beginning. After all Bahamut happened in a matter of mere sennights past that if i'm not mistaken.

Yian Kutku · **07-21-2017, 05:31 PM**

(07-20-2017, 03:19 PM)Valence Wrote: With that in mind you could perfectly argue that Silvertears was just the beginning. After all Bahamut happened in a matter of mere sennights past that if i'm not mistaken.

The Battle of Silvertear Skies was in 6A 1562, while the events of 1.0 were in 1572, at least according to the lorebook. So ten years, give or take some time between the start and end of 1.0.

Valence · **07-23-2017, 11:25 AM**

My mistake, should have checked. But I think my point still stands.

Yian Kutku · **07-23-2017, 02:47 PM**

(07-23-2017, 11:25 AM)Valence Wrote: My mistake, should have checked. But I think my point still stands.

Definitely, yes. The Second Umbral Calamity lasted a year and a day ("for a full twelvemoon and a day did nature's fury ring"), which isn't even going into the Umbral Era of the pestilence that tends to happen to large groups of people in tight enclosed spaces.

The Third Umbral Calamity was Fire and drought, which takes time to have an effect. The Fifth Umbral Calamity was Ice and "endless winter", which also takes time to happen.

So having a Calamity take several years from the time the problems start rolling to the final crash is entirely plausible. Admittedly, the Seventh Calamity's crash was particularly dramatic, matched only by the Fourth Calamity, ie Allag's fall.

(I love the parallels between the Fourth and Seventh Calamity too. Apart from both involving Bahamut, there's also the fact that it wasn't the elementals or the gods or nature that caused the two Calamities; it was humankind alone as the direct instigator and mover of events.)

Arashin Kujqai · **07-31-2017, 01:15 AM**

How are wards viewed in the residential areas? Are they just different sections of the same area like Goblet as a whole is comprised of 12 wards or are wards actually segmented areas of some kind of their own space?

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