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Uther · **07-03-2013, 02:30 AM**

(07-03-2013, 02:19 AM)Xenedra Wrote: I was actually just getting at the first part of the paragraph, that all servers are welcome and referred to as valid places to RP here. Edited!

Oh, yeah, I didn't mean it to seem like you were taking jabs at another server. I just picked up from what you and Blade said that there might be some folks out their who harbor some animosity toward us. I was completely unaware of that.

Black · **07-03-2013, 03:40 AM**

(07-02-2013, 09:04 PM)Trickery Wrote:
(07-01-2013, 10:33 PM)Kylin Wrote: In the event that they change server names, we may have to hold another vote (though I really hope to not go through this again). I think we'll just have to cross that road when we get there.

What I've seen in other RP communities that weren't sure if server names were changing is that they'd announce the unofficial Beta server, then just say something like:

"In the event of a server rename, the unofficial RP server will be the first NA server that starts with the letter B moving up." Or something to that effect.

So, if you make a rule like that, that put Balthier at the top of the queue in case of server renames! >.>

Then again, if the don't make a Balthier server you might get stuck on something like "Bartz" server.

I'd be real careful about assuming that.

I was part of the drive to organize an unofficial server when DCUO launched. I was on a pretty popular site and there is an old rule that many don't seem to know (maybe younger generations) and that general rule was that the unofficial RP server of any game would start with the last letter alphabetically. In CoH's case, this tuned out to be "Virtue".

The reason for this was that servers tend to be alphabetically listed by default, unless you click an option to list them by some other criteria, like population. Most "newbies" and especially "Trolls" would just happen to choose the first shown on the list that has a cool name. While some people remembered that general rule, many have forgotten.

I was also thinking that if I had no previous Legacy character but wanted to RP, I would remember "Besaid" and think to myself, "Well, there is no Besaid server, but it must be one starting with B." Actually, for that reason, I would think "Behemoth" would be the logical choice. I even created an alt on Behemoth because I thought this.

So there is that. Behemoth may end up with many players initially, if they think like me. Again, this tends to even out sooner or later, either because people decide to migrate, server mergers, or other reasons.

Mycroft · **07-03-2013, 03:44 AM**

Seems like I now have to hop betwixt three servers..
Oh well, shouldn't be wanting for activity at least, huzzah!

Naunet · **07-03-2013, 03:44 AM**

I'm just gonna sit here and hope for an actual RP-tagged server.

It's 2013. That shit is kind of basic.

Kyatai · **07-03-2013, 03:50 AM**

(07-03-2013, 03:44 AM)Naunet Wrote: I'm just gonna sit here and hope for an actual RP-tagged server.

It's 2013. That shit is kind of basic.

^^^ you'd think.... Dodgy

Black · **07-03-2013, 03:58 AM**

(07-03-2013, 03:44 AM)Naunet Wrote: I'm just gonna sit here and hope for an actual RP-tagged server.

It's 2013. That shit is kind of basic.

You would think, but it was pretty "basic" when v1.0 launch. It was also "basic" for other MMOs that decided not to make such labels.

There might be social reasons they do not do it; I remember on WoW, when one PVP server went down, many of those folks headed over to a popular RP server I was on and started spamming chat-channels "for fun". It could just be they don't want to create an obvious target that brings out folks that just want to ruin other people's online experience.

Conversely, I have also played on PvE servers (Beta and Launch) and have heard some of the chatter on that end regarding RPers: There are still segments that have a "bad view" or "bad taste" toward RP because of either exaggerated rumors of running into RPers who tried to enforce their will upon others. Things like, names they didn't like or what-have-you. So these players were actively avoiding RP. Now, that point could work : There would be a label on the server and they could avoid it, but again...you get the same problem of "painting a target" on the server.

I personally do not mind an RP-label, but it could be that management is just trying to not label such servers for the benefit of the players that have decided to play on such servers.

Bomb

Naunet · **07-03-2013, 04:02 AM**

(07-03-2013, 03:58 AM)Black Wrote: I personally do not mind an RP-label, but it could be that management is just trying to not label such servers for the benefit of the players that have decided to play on such servers.

They would be making a big mistake. Not labeling the server doesn't benefit roleplayers in any way. It makes it difficult for new players to find the RP communities. It makes it near impossible to enforce any kind of RP-friendly rules (such as naming conventions). And it marginalizes an entire group of people as not worthy of having their own server, when roleplayers are often some of the most dedicated players in an MMO. This makes it extremely difficult for devs to judge the activity of roleplayers in their game, which could have impacts on development time spent on RP-related content (such as a wardrobe function).

Any MMO that doesn't have an RP-tagged server is doing a wonderful and loyal playerbase a massive disservice.

Black · **07-03-2013, 04:28 AM**

(07-03-2013, 04:02 AM)Naunet Wrote:
(07-03-2013, 03:58 AM)Black Wrote: I personally do not mind an RP-label, but it could be that management is just trying to not label such servers for the benefit of the players that have decided to play on such servers.
They would be making a big mistake. Not labeling the server doesn't benefit roleplayers in any way. It makes it difficult for new players to find the RP communities. It makes it near impossible to enforce any kind of RP-friendly rules (such as naming conventions). And it marginalizes an entire group of people as not worthy of having their own server, when roleplayers are often some of the most dedicated players in an MMO. This makes it extremely difficult for devs to judge the activity of roleplayers in their game, which could have impacts on development time spent on RP-related content (such as a wardrobe function).

Any MMO that doesn't have an RP-tagged server is doing a wonderful and loyal playerbase a massive disservice.

I do generally agree, but you have to look at this from many ends, RPers AND the common/casual player. There are RP servers that claim they have naming enforcement, but such enforcement is sporadic or not consistent.

Also, it boils down to a matter of different perspective with names. I have seen people name themselves something totally benign, but I've seen Roleplayers take them to task on their chosen name, because it does not fit their personal view of how the virtual world should be.

As per my PvE example earlier, these people were complaining that RPers can be "elitist". That may not apply to anyone here, but let's suppose, some players...maybe they are 12 years of age, decided they wanted to do their own storyline about how the X-men came into the FF universe. Well, I wouldn't like it, but these folks ARE roleplaying, even if I don't agree with their roleplay. I tend to leave them alone or be friendly enough if they ask for help, but I have seen some people take them to task. I believe such folks can and should be nurtured with patience and understanding, but some don't do it.

Again, I have seen some examples of RPers dictating terms to these "casual players". As I agree RPers have seen this from some groups, the opposite has happened, too. I am generally a fan of, "Live and Let Live". In some ways, certain people marginalize these casual players and create a bad image, especially if they log in next time and see they were reported and the reason for it.

It is hard to read the intent of folks sometimes, even those with bad names. I've seen some folks who had bad names bowled over by the community, they rename their character and join in...Of course, there is the opposite, too.

Again, I see your points and agree: Having an RP label to the server would be grand and draw interested folks to it, but on the same token, one has to be cognizant that RPers also have a bad reputation of elitism among a segment of general players. In fact, this may be the root of the reason we are seeing on the Beta Forums of some people not liking the concept. From a casual/PvP-lover perspective, it show preference to one segment but not another. So, why not make server labels for them?

Maybe it divides the player base? Heck, really, beyond Legacy servers, there is no real current difference in rules-set (code-wise) between servers. They are basically all the same. Perhaps more GM enforcement is needed, but remember, that is segmenting the work-staff of S-E to look at one server. Sometimes this naturally happens and no harm/no foul...but outside this, you may have grumblings from other players not on the RP server. They may not like certain names either or have a bug affecting them. In some ways, they may just point and say this proves RPers get too much attention and they don't.

Bomb

Gideon Aryeh · **07-03-2013, 04:35 AM**

(07-03-2013, 03:44 AM)Naunet Wrote: I'm just gonna sit here and hope for an actual RP-tagged server.

It's 2013. That shit is kind of basic.

Â And if no rp server is named? What will you do then?

Xeon · **07-03-2013, 04:45 AM**

As i see it, it doesen't really need to be a RP tag, it would be super but if SE don't feel like tagging stuff they can atleast tag something along the lines that LOTRO have on some servers. Think it is RE, Ropleplaying encouraged. Or atleast perhaps a tag that marks that there are roleplayers on the server rather than a server for only roleplaying.

-Xeon

Uther · **07-03-2013, 04:47 AM**

(07-03-2013, 04:28 AM)Black Wrote: That may not apply to anyone here, but let's suppose, some players...maybe they are 12 years of age, decided they wanted to do their own storyline about how the X-men came into the FF universe. Well, I wouldn't like it,

Shit, I would. I fucking love the X-Men.

Jokes aside, I think another reason not to add an RP tag would be because, as it is in my case, some roleplayers have non-roleplaying friends. I have a lot of RL friends who I like to play MMOs with. We've been playing together since high school. They don't even know I roleplay because I always have to juggle between two servers. (...actually that's not a bad thing, they're kind of assholes, they might tease me a little for this hobby.) Either way, it'd be much easier for me to enjoy the game if I could play OOC with them then hop on over to Ul'dah in time for an IC meeting with my linkshell before I run IC dungeons.

Overall, it isn't a big deal either way, and honestly I would prefer an official RP server, but I can see both sides of the argument and I'm prepared to deal with an unofficial one.

Black · **07-03-2013, 04:51 AM**

(07-03-2013, 04:47 AM)Uther Wrote:
(07-03-2013, 04:28 AM)Black Wrote: That may not apply to anyone here, but let's suppose, some players...maybe they are 12 years of age, decided they wanted to do their own storyline about how the X-men came into the FF universe. Well, I wouldn't like it,

Shit, I would. I fucking love the X-Men.

Well, I like X-Men well enough and I do like the occasional cross-over, but I tend to be very "Meat and Potatoes" with this kind of thing: I eat my meat separately, swallow, and then work on the potatoes (although I do alternate bites but usually leave the taste buds to savor one item or the other, not both at once).

Tongue

ArmachiA · **07-03-2013, 04:56 AM**

I'm glad to see Server Balthier won and everyone is moving to it together, old and new players....yes.... glad...
*Willful denial*

Uther · **07-03-2013, 04:57 AM**

(07-03-2013, 04:51 AM)Black Wrote: Well, I like X-Men well enough and I do like the occasional cross-over, but I tend to be very "Meat and Potatoes" with this kind of thing: I eat my meat separately, swallow, and then work on the potatoes (although I do alternate bites but usually leave the taste buds to savor one item or the other, not both at once).

SPOILERS: The Warriors of Light were the X-Men the whole time and the Echo is a mutation.Â

Bahamut shows up, ominous music starts playing, then it's completely cut off by this:Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1qrbAGsEOwÂ

It shocks everyone. Turns out squenix was bought out by disney-marvel and no one told anyone. Greatest plot twist in the history of all video games. RPers and casual players alike fall out of their seats in utter shock as the X-Men theme blares through their speakers and Cyclops is shooting eye lasers at Bahamut as Wolverine is fighting Garleans. Everyone was wrong except that twelve year old. Then the game goes down forever.

Best ending in the history of gaming.

Kyatai · **07-03-2013, 05:28 AM**

I do agree with both points mentioned by Black. It's really a catch-22... but in the end, if RPers don't know where to go to find the highest concentration of RP... we all lose out.

Yeah, tacking "-RP" at the end of a server will draw in some griefers with nothing better to do, or those hardcore PvE'ers that think "RP server = easy Server Firsts"... or "mature community". Hey, I have no problem with PvE/PvP'ers that just want a mature community coming to a RP server. They do their thing, let us do our thing, maybe they discover the coolness that is RP... maybe they just get their Server Firsts, smack eachother in battlegrounds and happily dungeon their days/nights away. Whatever... players like that make it easy to find a decent PuG when I'm wanting to just smack a Boss in a dungeon.
And those griefers? if you don't feed them, they typically get bored and go away.
/ignore... if all else fails for a time.

Would I prefer a server of more RPers than straight PvE/PvPers? Of course. But as long as they're respectful, I have no issue.
If they are NOT, I'd want a server that would be enforced to get rid of the griefers. Now, I'm not talking about report and ban some guy with some irritating, but benign name (Clark Kent)... I'm talking tools like (PwNJ00 Now or xxxSexualHealingxxx... or worse). I'm talking support via /logs of the griefing or offensive behavior (teabagging, "RP" rapes of corpses, etc). Yes, that takes up man-hours to police and... I hate that. I wish there could be a program that would weed through the crap complaints and really hit the valid ones.

One VERY simple solution is: Before joining a RP designated server, you are presented with an info box that you must read/click (like the NDA) and be held to those rules. Something like "This is a RP designated server. Naming and behavior rules are in effect and will be enforced. Repeat offenders to the rules (stated below) will be removed from the server and deposited into the next available low pop server and your account flagged. If you agree to these rules (listed), click Yes"
Sure some folks would test the rules, but if they are upheld in the beginning... should make for easier time later as it will become common knowledge that "SE enforces the rules."
Something like this would dissuade griefers in 3 ways: one- the initial warning, two- the removal to a LOW pop server (aka less folks to connect with and annoy... and PvP/PvE with)... and three inability to move to another server of their liking (or return to the RP server under another name w/o paying the $$$ to do so).
Word gets around if standards are stuck with, and ultimately creates less work (and less forum flaming).

Now... the above would not pertain to RP preferences. As long as they aren't offensive, the other stuff can just be... dealt with. And it wouldn't necessarily negate the chatting about "the Game last night" or other RL things in spacial...or dragging Jedi, WoD, X-Men or whatever into FF... which is grating... but also, benign. A polite request to take it to /whisper or /group and to respect the RP going on should work if the players KNOW they rolled on a RP server. Any that roll should respect RPing going on and try to get along.

RP screw ups happen- even to vets. I've accidentally fell into a Godmod or Meta before. If everyone is honest... we all have. Call some guy by his name thinking you'd met him IC- and you hadn't. Refer to something in his/her bio that I wouldn't necessarily know IC yet... etc. Also... no room for /report.
Its only when we get too crazy with the /report buttons that we get labeled as "RP nazis, elitists,.." and so on.

Wow... this ended up being longer than I thought. haha Black's comments just kinda opened the floodgates and, I'm afraid, shifted me off-topic from the OP.
Blush

Still... that is the best kind of RP environment we could hope for right now.
Its not 'special treatment'... just respectful treatment.
RPers pay money just as much as straight PvP & PvEers... often MORE money b/c we like those fluff items and pretty clothes and pets. LOL AND we stick around longer (more $$) if we feel the love.
Dunno why Devs don't see this. Guess its just that we're still 'the minority'...

Love it Uther! Laugh

... tho I think Storm might need to cool off Bahamut first. Yanno fire and all that...
Freeze, then shatter with laser. Let Wolvie get a few swipes in and Jubilee can make fireworks to celebrate.

Heart

X-men... yeah, I said it. Tongue

Poll: Which server do you want named the RPC's secondary RP server? You do not have permission to vote in this poll.
Adamantoise	0%	0	0%
Behemoth	6.94%	5	6.94%
Cactuar	0%	0	0%
Coeurl	2.78%	2	2.78%
Diabolos	0%	0	0%
Gilgamesh	55.56%	40	55.56%
Goblin	1.39%	1	1.39%
Leviathan	5.56%	4	5.56%
Malboro	0%	0	0%
Midgardsormr	1.39%	1	1.39%
Ultros	0%	0	0%
Cerberus (EU)	0%	0	0%
Moogle (EU)	6.94%	5	6.94%
Odin (EU)	1.39%	1	1.39%
Shiva (EU)	0%	0	0%
I have no preference so long as it is a non-Legacy server. (Wildcard)	18.06%	13	18.06%
Total		72 vote(s)	100%

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