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Saefinn · **07-18-2013, 06:46 AM**

I put 'neutral', I think people will want to discuss pros/cons and I'm all for it, I picked Gilgamesh, but I don't actually know anything about the pro and cons of going for either, I pretty much picked a server out of a hat. The pros/cons would influence me and when it comes to starting a new character for phase 4.

However, I can understand that "which is better?" is an unfair question because the answer is highly subjective and could result in server wars (like people go into console wars with PS3/360 or OS wars with Mac/PC and iOS/Android) but if it's an intelligent and civil discussion between the pros and cons, I see no problem in it. It helps people who are new make a more informed choice.

Asyria · **07-19-2013, 10:35 AM**

Well, the reason I'm pointing this out and asking people's opinions is I feel there's no discussion at all.

The pros and cons have all been laid out a dozen times already and all that's really left is "this one is best" and "no, this one is best". Those are officially accompanied with a reason why it's "best" but it still boils down to a false concept of "best" and I find that annoying.

Anyways, it's exactly 50/50 so far, with a majority of neutrals.. which is exactly what I expected.

No surprise for me this time!

Uther · **07-19-2013, 11:11 AM**

I read nothing but the original post and then voted, so if I'm just rephrasing what's already been said, I apologize.

My answer is simple: Hell no.

Sure, it gets a little annoying seeing poaching wars. So what? Everyone should have a right to their opinion and this poll sort of opens up a whole new area of discussion, which I'm sure wasn't intentional. That area is censorship in general. I feel like any time anyone disagrees, whether it be hostile or benign, the thread is closed, locked, and never spoken of again. It's seriously like the Happy Valley skit from Flying Circus.

Seen here from 00:36 to 02:10:

http://youtu.be/hpI9yuv6D8o?t=36s

There should be debate between the two servers. Can you imagine how politics would work if there were no public debates before election day? It'd be awful.

I feel like every time I'm on this site, a new discussion is being stamped out by the powers that be. It's very disturbing to see a public community that isn't allowed to have opinions.

EDIT: Also, the irony of taking a poll about whether or not you should be allowed to express your opinion is a little strange to me...

Kylin · **07-19-2013, 11:49 AM**

Interesting topic of discussion. I actually had considered doing just that (locking all threads related to this topic on sight). In fact, the day prior to this post being made, I had typed up a post for the mod forums and was about to post instructions to do just that. I thought better of it and tossed out the decision though.

I'll state it for the record now: On a personal level, the constant creation of these types of threads is annoying as hell to me. I see one crop up and I instantly think "here we go again..." I believe this topic is a dead horse, and everyone has very clearly stated their opinions on the issue multiple times now. I believe it's pointless to continue discussing the issue ad nauseam. To be blunt, nobody's opinions are going to change anytime in the near future until post-launch, when activity levels and styles become more apparent. It feels no different than the constant swarm of "legacy vs non-legacy" threads on the beta forums.

That said, I also believe that the RPC itself should not stifle opinions or discussions of any sort, even if the topic is redundant (unless the topic is heading in a hostile direction, going off-topic, and/or other reasons we deem appropriate). As a community hub for RPers, we have to accept that different people want to discuss different things (and have different opinions on things). However...I am very much leaning toward merging all future threads about this topic into older threads in order to keep things less cluttered at the very least, and to make it clear to others that the topics already exist and have been beaten to death.

My suggestion for everyone in regards to responding to this constant issue is to consistently point people in the proper direction and simply advise them to try both servers to come to their own individual decision based on their own experiences. One can take the advice or leave it, but that really is the only thing left to be said in this never-ending debate. People will go where they want to go, and none of us can force them to choose otherwise.

Uther · **07-19-2013, 12:02 PM**

(07-19-2013, 11:49 AM)Kylin Wrote: Interesting topic of discussion. I actually had considered doing just that (locking all threads related to this topic on sight). In fact, the day prior to this post being made, I had typed up a post for the mod forums and was about to post instructions to do just that. I thought better of it and tossed out the decision though.

Reaaaaaally glad you didn't go through with that plan.Â

I've had my fair share of complaints on this site, as anyone can see from some of my posts, but it's clear that the leadership is doing their best to appeal to everyone. That's why I stick around. Everyone's trying. Ideas might not always work, but at least there's a genuine effort to make things right. If you ended up locking all the threads related to the topic, I'd lose that faith and take my RP business elsewhere.

Yeah, it's annoying to see all the time and it should definitely be discouraged, but full-out silencing everyone with a dissenting opinion is ...well, it's just wrong. People should just know it's getting real old real fast.

So, good on your for doing the right thing.Â Thumbsup

Asyria · **07-19-2013, 09:24 PM**

Was wondering if you'd post here eventually Kylin. Tongue

I'm not too surprised you feel as I do, and am glad you didn't do anything in the end. If the poll is any good representation of th e RPC as a whole, it seems the majority either doesn't mind enough to want any radical actions toaken or is bluntly opposed to it.

I do believe however, that merging any such thread would be a good idea. It would allow people to discuss AND still prevent these threads from cluttering the forums.

Averis · **07-19-2013, 09:54 PM**

I'm with those that say we should not ban it. Yes, it's a tired subject for those of us that have been here since it started, but there will be a lot of new members coming along and confused about the two server choices. It might be best to actually have a sticky post somewhere about why we have two servers etc.

As for posting replies to these posts, I think the best we can do is offer why we made our own personal choice on the matter (hopefully without knocking the other choice) and offer they try both and do research.

But to outright lock or ban a topic like this is not, in my opinion, the best way to go about it. Especially when it would likely give new members a bad first impression.

Eckzein · **07-20-2013, 05:39 AM**

Doink!?
I'm assuming the majority of these threads are started by newer RPers and those who are new to the community. Which makes it a fair question. The point being is what does each server have to offer that new player as far as RP goes? The short answer to this is it doesn't matter so just pick the camp where you'll pitch your tent already. (*Shakes fist* Dam you Lightningtear, one post and 3 Reputation e_0%#? )
The long answer is....

Balmung
-Established RP community, RP to be had guaranteed.
-(New to RP perspective) Intimidated oh I'm so intimidated T.T I fear I'll just be a bother, waste others time and eventually just be overlooked andÂ quietly shunned because of my poor RP.
-(My perspective) RP is kind of clique-ie. You'll be left out in the cold if you don't actively seek to be a part of it. (*Shakes fist* Dam you Lightningtear)
btw- From their forum, Crystalline is trying to foster cross LS RP, kind of skewers the whole RP clique-ie thing. (Right---?!)

Gilgamesh
-New Sever with lots of enthusiasm, but.... it could just all fall flat (Character transfer anyone?)
-(New to RP perspective) Oh my gosh! A new server, I'm new, maybe they'll be more people like me over there ^ ^... oh wait, will I still be gettingÂ THE RP experience that I was expecting?
-(My perspective) RP is kind of clique-ie. Eh, from my RP experience, the one thing I always had fun with was screwing around with fresh faces.

There are other legitimate reasons to have concerns over which server like...
-RP population activity, will I be the only one RPing cause I live out in Europe.
-Server stability
-Economy
-OOC friends
-yada yada yada, do your research already.

Ultimately, ask very kindly, very nicely, very softly to the moderators of this forum to just pile all the Server vs Server threads into one spool and use it to make beautiful quilts with cute little chocobos and snuggly wuggly moogles...EEEEEEEeeee!

Again, character transfer, seriously, just put those words next to Gilgamesh and Balmung as some sort of ward against curses

PS: My goal wasn't to offer any insight, butÂ to make you say "Doink" out loud

Asyria · **07-20-2013, 10:37 AM**

(07-19-2013, 09:54 PM)Averis Wrote: It might be best to actually have a sticky post somewhere about why we have two servers etc.

We do. It's linked in my opening post and is stickied straight in the Welcome section which should be where newcomers go first.

Also, for me it's not so much about giving a bad impression to newcomers.. anyone who comes here and is scared away by some disagreement should question their desire to be part of any community in the first place. However, us old timers find it annoying too.

Of course we can just not read those threads, but as mentioned, it's a perfectly legitimate question. What is not legitimate is some of the answers given. nd we really don't need so many of those threads.

I believe Kylin's idea is better than any ban AND better than doing nothing as well.

Poll: Should we "ban" further Gilgamesh vs Balmung discussion? (see above) You do not have permission to vote in this poll.
Yes	26.47%	18	26.47%
No	36.76%	25	36.76%
Insert neutral answer here.	36.76%	25	36.76%
Total		68 vote(s)	100%

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