(07-27-2013, 04:46 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: Personally, I think it's the presence of griefers that drives the "people I don't know getting involved is a potential threat" logic, which then leads to accusations of cliquish behavior from new players, which then causes cliquish behavior. This is easily defused by assuming good faith until someone demonstrates otherwise. CHUURCH!
To the point about responding to rude behavior, obviously, there's a difference between IC and OOC reactions. If you come up to my character and she's having a shouting match with someone in public, then you try to comfort her, she's probably not going to respond pleasantly IC. OOC, I welcome the addition to the RP, but IC? The reaction will probably be icy. Likewise, jumping into a conversation she's having with people at a table in a tavern may, depending on what's said and how it's approached, get a cool response. However, all of this is IC -- and if my character chews you out IC, you can be sure there'll be an OOC tell coming to apologize for her being such an ass and let you know it's all IC.
The bad RPer is the one who asserts RP in an obviously public location is private, dismisses or gets annoyed OOC with those who attempt to engage there, and attempts to control OOCly who can and cannot RP with them in an obviously public location. That's inconsiderate and poor RP by any standard. Again, in this instance, I'm referring to clearly public locales -- the Adventurers' Guild, the main streets of a city, the Bismark, etc. I'm not referring to locations off the beaten track, player or FC housing, or very secluded locales where there's a possible intent to be private. It is not rude OOC to engage with people RPing in an obviously public location, and you do not have to ask them if it's okay to start RPing with them. They accept the IC consequence of the existence and social interactions of other characters the second they take the IC action of speaking in a public location. (Your character's actions may be rude IC, but ICA=ICC; be prepared to accept a negative response IC.)
That said, my message is simple: It's simply wrong to think it's not okay OOC for people to get involved with your RP in a public place. If you want your RP to be private, don't do it in public.
As a postscript, I'm sure I come off as an angry lunatic here, but the sort of "my scene in the Adventurers' Guild where I cough up blood and my friends come in and help me, but you can't RP a reaction or helping because it's a private scene" behavior, as well as the "oh, I'm going to ignore you because I don't know you're an RPer and, oh, you didn't ask first before talking to me, so even though I'm spouting rhetoric that'd provoke a response from you, I'm going to complain OOC that your responding was rude and invading my scene" behavior, is a massive pet peeve of mine. It splits the community, alienates new players, creates cliques, destroys any semblance of being welcoming, and promotes this strange belief that ICA doesn't equal ICC unless you want it to and it furthers your OOC goals. I'm sorry, but I can't accept that.
We as a community should not accept that.
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Honestly I believe if you expect bad things to happen they will. You can't want people to feel welcome on your server and then tell them "Oh and by the way you should send me a tell asking if its alright if you join my clique..er group's private rp in a public location". Sorry but that isn't very welcoming at all imo and seems a bit too rulesy. Proper manners is one thing is one thing but doing things that don't even happen in real life is another. Most of the time groups involved in something private make sure its apparent that they are. Not the other way around.
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Such a thing just honestly gives me a headache because its counterproductive to getting new people involved. Most people including roleplayers don't use forums, you are going to meet most of them in game. Most intereactions sorry folk are going to be random instances where people join into public conversations. That's rp, that's real life, that's what people know.
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Now I hear what you're saying Ellie but again I personally believe its on the part of those engaging in private rp in a public space who are responsible for sending that tell to anyone trying to get into their session sending out an indicator that they are engaging in private rp. Yes the private chat also allows only eight people but if its a group bigger than eight at that point rping in private in a public space seems well... cliquish. There is no way to not be noticed with that many people around. Either hand out linkpearls at that point or move to a secluded area or instance.
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I'll have to agree again with FW with this. Those who are going to Gilga lets try to not be like that, we are going to have so many people who are learning how to roleplay in the first place that having such rules that are not normal is just confusing and frustrating and would easily get someone to not want to rp anymore.
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I'd like us to avoid anything that can lead to a feeling of having cliques in any manner. Its not something that I want even to be hinted at on the server, roleplayers already have that stigma about them. Lets make it a new day on Gilga eh?
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And let certainly not scare ourselves about griefers ruining anything. Positivity is the order of the day. I can show anyone how to deal with griefers realtime so just ask, trust me we will certainly have less than we think in the long run. Promise.
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Lets build the server to not have that sort of feel. Its counterproductive and just scares people into not wanting to do anything or ruling guilty before proven innocent. Even thinking about such a possibility just makes people suspicious about each other, and that comes off a bit hypocritical when you say you want new folk around. Just my opinion mind you.
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People have different concerns as well as approaches to handling things and that's understandable but this almost sky is falling approach on a sunny day is not my cup of tea personally. Too busy trying to make a server fantastic to do things like that you know? And have been doing this far too long.
*puts on sunglasses and smiles*
Besides, the day is just too beautiful to waste you know? I'll be at Costa del Sol at the beach. All are welcome to come along! And BYOB dammit cause I don't share my cognac and orange juice. *winks*
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