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Lost River · **09-13-2013, 10:30 PM**

Okay, if you ever see Lost River, Lucinne Jandalaine, or Orella Blackthorne. Do -not- I repeat, do -not- be scared to walk up and RP. Just in Lost's take, be sure to be fluent in Lominsa pirate talk or bring a translator.

As for other things, a hub for RP would be good, but the best is to find an OOC Linkshell that is dedicated to bringing more people together for RP.

After all, you can have 8 Linkshells per character.

Sigyn Shieldbreaker · **09-13-2013, 10:34 PM**

I wrote a really long tangent.

'I am extremely disappointed'.

I am also in line with what Lost just said. If you'd like, you can bump into cynical Sio too, or if you have a character that's combat-oriented, a healer, or a spectator, at least I can offer The Grindstone. I will help you out however I can.

Kylin · **09-13-2013, 10:37 PM**

Public warning removed, as the intended reader has already seen it and there's no need to drag it out in public.

Furthermore, I did not belittle anyone. Stating people aren't reading is not an insult, it's a simple observation. And it's very possible they skimmed the post and didn't read it.

On to the actual point though, I did not say anywhere anything about "censoring" MMO activity. The point of that advice is to advise people to focus on advertising the MMOs they were in that -mattered-. If you played one for a couple months, listing it is probably not a necessary thing to do, as other people do not know that you played it only briefly and do indeed assume. Yes, "people shouldn't assume." But they do. That's life. And perception is 9/10ths reality in many cases. If people perceive one as an 'MMO hopper,' even if they're not actually one, it's going to change how they react to that person to some degree. It's no different than real life. If someone perceives someone to be a certain way, it's going to change how they act around that person, even if their perception is way off base.

I don't know why the "big names" keep being brought up. I mentioned it for one purpose only: to illustrate that a lot of the people who were active on this site for a very long time aren't as active now due to the reasons I listed. I've spoken to some of them and they've pretty much admitted to this. No, you don't have to RP with "big names." That was not the point I was making. I was simply making it clear that there are other people who have this view about MMO hoppers. That's it.

You clearly do not like my advice in this particular arena. That is fine. As I originally stated, people could take it or leave it. You seem to want to leave it. That's your decision and I respect that. But arguing it endlessly isn't taking this thread anywhere, and is in fact making things much worse the longer the argument goes on. It's clear you don't like what I said, but what I said is reality. It is what it is. That's really all that can be further said on it.

Sigyn Shieldbreaker · **09-13-2013, 10:42 PM**

(09-13-2013, 10:37 PM)Kylin Wrote: Public warning removed, as the intended reader has already seen it and there's no need to drag it out in public.

Furthermore, I did not belittle anyone. Stating people aren't reading is not an insult, it's a simple observation. And it's very possible they skimmed the post and didn't read it.

On to the actual point though, I did not say anywhere anything about "censoring" MMO activity. The point of that advice is to advise people to focus on advertising the MMOs they were in that -mattered-. If you played one for a couple months, listing it is probably not a necessary thing to do, as other people do not know that you played it only briefly and do indeed assume. Yes, "people shouldn't assume." But they do. That's life. And perception is 9/10ths reality in many cases. If people perceive one as an 'MMO hopper,' even if they're not actually one, it's going to change how they react to that person to some degree. It's no different than real life. If someone perceives someone to be a certain way, it's going to change how they act around that person, even if their perception is way off base.

I don't know why the "big names" keep being brought up. I mentioned it for one purpose only: to illustrate that a lot of the people who were active on this site for a very long time aren't as active now due to the reasons I listed. I've spoken to some of them and they've pretty much admitted to this. No, you don't have to RP with "big names." That was not the point I was making. I was simply making it clear that there are other people who have this view about MMO hoppers. Maybe they also have a lot of time to spread between other games, and they're good at managing that time and keeping up with everything. A lot of people are really good with that. That's it.

You clearly do not like my advice in this particular arena. That is fine. As I originally stated, people could take it or leave it. You seem to want to leave it. That's your decision and I respect that. But arguing it endlessly isn't taking this thread anywhere, and is in fact making things much worse the longer the argument goes on. It's clear you don't like what I said, but what I said is reality. It is what it is. That's really all that can be further said on it.

The most we can do, and what we should be doing, is stating if we do not agree with whosoever looks at OOC information such as a list of MMOs that someone has played and use that as our sole reason to avoid or limit our RP with them, we just don't agree.

I don't feel this way. It has no influence on how I perceive people, it didn't before and now that I know it exists, it still doesn't.

The community here might be enough to fulfill all those people who played other MMOs before looking for someplace to call home or maybe they played those many other games because they enjoyed the raiding and the mechanics and they're sick of being booted off a high pop server for this particular week or two.

There are plenty of other reasons. At least Kylin's was one more perspective.

P.S. I know this is a forum and I'm not a moderator or anyone of any importance, but if you (anyone) have a personal issue with what someone has said and it has any chance to put that person in a negative light in the eyes of another who might read this later, please, as someone who is genuinely concerned about the very shy people who STARTED this thread, take it to PMs or something.

And don't get yourself booted. You're valuable and you're good, and there are more people who might need your advice-- it outweighs a lot.

FreelanceWizard · **09-13-2013, 11:08 PM**

(09-13-2013, 09:37 PM)Kylin Wrote: I told you how it could be combated in my first post...I swear nobody reads anything these days

With respect, you didn't (and yes, I did read the whole post; I assume in good faith that you're not skimming my posts, please don't assume I'm skimming yours). You advised the targets of this -- let's be frank -- prejudice that they should elide parts of their gameplay history and misrepresent themselves to eliminate themselves as a target for that prejudice. That's not combating prejudice; that's becoming complicit in it to one's personal benefit. Yes, you're combating its effects on you, but you're not actually affecting the underlying misconception that's the source of the problem. While a player may certainly do whatever they wish, telling someone how to become part of the system isn't really telling people how to combat that system.

At any rate, I maintain that the opinion that "lots of MMOs played = flighty, poor RPer" is based on a flawed assumption, and I think that those who hold to it will ultimately find themselves marginalized in the vast sea of new players -- what I already predicted would happen and why I advocated (and continue to advocate) new players come to Balmung. The "big names" of the past will give way to the "big names" of the present and future, and if those who were once active here want to RP with new players, they'll need to make the next move and engage, putting aside their prejudices and misconceptions. The "big names" are now the minority.

To new players: there's lots of mentors, lots of new groups, and lots of RPers out there. You can safely choose not to engage with those who would prefer not to engage with you. My advice is rather different from Kylin's. My advice is to be open about who you are, what you've done, and how you like to RP, then be willing to take that first step and connect with a mentor, start a thread asking for people to RP with, apply to an LS or FC, or even just drop a tell to someone you think has an interesting character and set up a scene. While I agree with some of his perspective, I think the advice about play history is deeply flawed, and I would submit that you wouldn't want to RP with anyone who holds that stance anyway.

Kylin · **09-13-2013, 11:12 PM**

I've removed the public warning from my post, as the intended party has already seen it and there's no need to drag that out into a public spectacle. Those who saw it, please refrain from dragging it back up.

Furthermore, I want to make something perfectly clear as it's becoming an issue on the forums as of late. Opinions are 100% fine. Everyone is welcome to disagree or have their own view. That's what a hub is all about after all. But seriously...everyone needs to start watching their tone and choosing words more constructively. I don't know what other MMO sites people are used to posting on. But these are not the beta/official forums and I will not tolerate blatant disrespect of ANYONE. Argue points, not people. Insulting someone personally for a different viewpoint will not be tolerated. And if it comes up, report the post immediately and we'll deal with it as necessary. Furthermore, people need to stop getting so defensive when people have a differing view from their own. That's been a problem for a very long time now and it's ridiculous.

I'll be bowing out of this thread for its own good right now, though if I see personal insults of any sort, they will be swiftly dealt with. Please focus on the content when arguing. And I implore people to read their own posts before spamming that reply button.

Thanks, and apologies to the OP for this thread getting to the place it did.

@Freelance: Yes, yes I did. I stated that in one paragraph in that section "My advice is: blah blah blah." I also stated at the start of the post to take the advice or leave it. Taking rest of conversation with you to PMs to get out of this thread~

Kyatai · **09-16-2013, 05:11 AM**

I have to say, I'd honestly never considered the number of games I've played (or Beta tested) as a detriment to my RP credibility.
I... thought that it spoke to my overall experience as a gamer and my commitment to the genre.
Not all the games I've played, I've RPed in. In fact, the only one's I've seriously committed to RP in have been:

SWG- 3 years solid since launch, then off and on for the remainder til it poofed
EQ2- 2 years... left b/c my guild disbanded and decided to go straight PvE. No RP friends, no interest. Moved on.
Vanguard- Beta on for 2 years... created a guild, left because my friends did and, well, shit happened that made the game unplayable for me (OOC crept into IC and back again, thanks to the guild I merged mine with. I hate fekkin' drama llama shit. I really really do)

The rest? I RPed some, but the game pretty much let me down, so I quit. But in NONE did I just leave folks hanging RP wise. That's just not cool.

Hell, I'd still BE in SWG if it hadn't taken the tank and my friends hadn't left. I freakin' loved the RP and my character and my crew there. Loved it.
Which, ironically, is why I look to the vets here and understand where they're coming from with commitment and love of their Legacy toons. If I heard SOE was remaking SWG like SE did FFXIV- and I could have my character back and my friends would return... I'd be gone. I'd do it in a heartbeat. I -miss- my character like she was my best friend.. and I -hate- that her story didn't end as I liked.

Anyway... I admit it is disheartening to hear that some might judge me as wishy-washy as a RPer when... I take it so seriously. And any listing I did was not meant to do anything but show experience in different types of gaming.

I'll definitely keep that in mind from now on...

Gideon Aryeh · **09-16-2013, 05:12 AM**

(09-13-2013, 11:08 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote:
(09-13-2013, 09:37 PM)Kylin Wrote: I told you how it could be combated in my first post...I swear nobody reads anything these days

With respect, you didn't (and yes, I did read the whole post; I assume in good faith that you're not skimming my posts, please don't assume I'm skimming yours). You advised the targets of this -- let's be frank -- prejudice that they should elide parts of their gameplay history and misrepresent themselves to eliminate themselves as a target for that prejudice. That's not combating prejudice; that's becoming complicit in it to one's personal benefit. Yes, you're combating its effects on you, but you're not actually affecting the underlying misconception that's the source of the problem. While a player may certainly do whatever they wish, telling someone how to become part of the system isn't really telling people how to combat that system.

At any rate, I maintain that the opinion that "lots of MMOs played = flighty, poor RPer" is based on a flawed assumption, and I think that those who hold to it will ultimately find themselves marginalized in the vast sea of new players -- what I already predicted would happen and why I advocated (and continue to advocate) new players come to Balmung. The "big names" of the past will give way to the "big names" of the present and future, and if those who were once active here want to RP with new players, they'll need to make the next move and engage, putting aside their prejudices and misconceptions. The "big names" are now the minority.

To new players: there's lots of mentors, lots of new groups, and lots of RPers out there. You can safely choose not to engage with those who would prefer not to engage with you. My advice is rather different from Kylin's. My advice is to be open about who you are, what you've done, and how you like to RP, then be willing to take that first step and connect with a mentor, start a thread asking for people to RP with, apply to an LS or FC, or even just drop a tell to someone you think has an interesting character and set up a scene. While I agree with some of his perspective, I think the advice about play history is deeply flawed, and I would submit that you wouldn't want to RP with anyone who holds that stance anyway.

Thank god you jumped in here. Seriously thank god. And honestly thank you all for the good advice you mentioned.

I will touch on one thing though mentioned

I filled the linkshells I managed by "walkers" Why? Because I send them a tell when I see them walking asking them if they are an rper. It takes no time to do this and worst case scenario the worst you will get is "no". A lot of times "walkers" who rp want to get noticed. Its why they are walking in the first place. I know its why I do it.

I've been playing and rping in mmos since the late nineties. So I think I'm a pretty good authority on what rpers do and don't do and the packed numbers on the ooc linkshells that I manage give credence to this.

Not to mention we have a booming rp community now on the server full of Redditers, 4channers and Blue garter folks and we have ALOT of them in our linkshells rping right along with us. So I think I know what I'm talking about when it comes to community building. Especially in a place where the so called impossible is now possible. Big Grin

Either way if anyone decides to come to Gilgamesh just send me a tell in game or send me a pm here if you are shy. I rp with everyone and anyone so feel free to bother me if you see my character walking around. I do it so you know you can approach me, I can also point you in the right direction for contacts and rp friends and the like. Coming into a new community is hard enough, but its my honest to god job to make sure that its a good and smooth transition for everyone who joins us so please please feel free to hit me up and ask anything that you want.

Besides experience beats everything, that's what my long list of rping in mmos got me and I wouldn't trade that in for anything. Thumbsup

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