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Val · **10-08-2013, 12:46 PM**

I don't think good guys are boring to play at all. It really and truly depends on the community.

I say this because if you play a truly good character (my character, Cyrus, is one) that has no villains or people to try and stop, it can get a tad mundane. They go about the same thing on a daily basis and can get a tad repetitive. With a villain or two thrown at them, even just someone with conflicting interests, suddenly there's this whole new dynamic opened up that really helps both characters grow.

That being said, in no way am I bored playing Cyrus. I am gifted with one of the most wonderful RP partners that I think I could have found and, because of this, the RP he is in is always interesting and fun.

If you want a good guy to hang with or need someone like that to converse with, I'd be more than happy to throw Cyrus at ya. Anyone, really.

Edit: Oh, and Cyrus is a soldier that strives to be a knight. Super holy, gotta-save-everyone mentality. For those that are interested.

K'dath · **10-08-2013, 12:49 PM**

(10-08-2013, 12:39 PM)Xydane Wrote:
(10-08-2013, 12:35 PM)K Wrote: If it's what you like, rock on. Because there needs to be that presence in the world. There needs to be hope. If everyone thinks the world is a crap sack, then nothing will ever get better.

Now there's some motivation! Haha!

Chi-Ji says: I challenge you not to think of hope as a vague and unimaginable future. Live EVERY day with hope in your heart. In doing so, you CREATE the future you dream of.

This. This is how I 'Good' Alignment.

Clover · **10-08-2013, 12:52 PM**

(10-08-2013, 12:45 PM)Magellan Wrote: These are great points and questions, and allow me to address them:

On some characters I love exploring gray areas. I love the emotion that comes from exploring dramatic interactions between characters, and seeing how much they can change and develop overtime through heartbreak, loss, grief, even happiness.

I guess, (again to use this as an example) with a band of heroes I'm looking for more of a team like the Enterprise, the Fellowship, the Jedid. They don't tear andclaw at one another, the conflict comes from external sources not internal. By working together and having each others backs, they can overcome their hurtles and obstacles together. It's no fun watching everyone fall from grace, and your character is the only one left, and they have fallen out of favor with their fallen friends. The joy of what made them fun to play is gone.

That sense of adventure, and takung on the world as a team is gone. Hope that clarifies!

Ah, I see. I understand that you're looking for an specific kind of RP. Still, I think you can gain something positive from this, for now you have an interesting plot that will make your character react. Perhaps he'd feel betrayed and leave the group in order to search for his own place, just like you are looking for a group of RPers willing to share that kind of adventures. Sooner or later, he'll find them, and when he does, he'll have all those awesome stories and experiences behind!

I hope you find such a group soon, and I hope that you'll get to love the story you can develop with your character, even now. After all, it's the "bad guys" the ones that define your character as good, so having contact with them is important.

Xydane · **10-08-2013, 12:55 PM**

(10-08-2013, 12:46 PM)Val Wrote: If you want a good guy to hang with or need someone like that to converse with, I'd be more than happy to throw Cyrus at ya. Anyone, really.

Edit: Oh, and Cyrus is a soldier that strives to be a knight. Super holy, gotta-save-everyone mentality. For those that are interested.

I know I haven't RPed with Val yet but I would also like a chance with Cyrus. Hit me up the next time you see me online.

(10-08-2013, 12:49 PM)Kdath Wrote:
(10-08-2013, 12:39 PM)Xydane Wrote:
(10-08-2013, 12:35 PM)K Wrote: If it's what you like, rock on. Because there needs to be that presence in the world. There needs to be hope. If everyone thinks the world is a crap sack, then nothing will ever get better.

Now there's some motivation! Haha!

Chi-Ji says: I challenge you not to think of hope as a vague and unimaginable future. Live EVERY day with hope in your heart. In doing so, you CREATE the future you dream of.

This. This is how I 'Good' Alignment.

Bringing in the good ol' Spirits of Pandaria. They taught Emperor Shao-Hao to live for his people and to overcome his inner sins. Their speeches gives me goosebumps everytime! Big Grin

Suisei'to · **10-08-2013, 12:56 PM**

I'm going to cut to the chase here, it seems like your problem is not your character bit the people you surround yourself with. Really, RP with a very white morality is rare, many prefer to see the fall of good characters instead of the rise.Â

The best way to remedy this is to take the reigns and make something you want and find people that fit your ideal.Poke the nest and be aggressive in interacting with evil guilds do you have an external threat. Â If you don't people are going to make rp interesting by creating internal conflict.

Val · **10-08-2013, 01:03 PM**

I'll be sure to add you when I get a chance, Xydane. Unfortunately, Val is nowhere near the "strictly good" mentality. He's more a chaotic neutral. Likes to cause mischief, that sort of thing.

But Cyrus seems very close to what you want, and I'm more than happy to introduce the character to you =)

Lutra · **10-08-2013, 01:05 PM**

Quite an interesting discussion here.

I have always been drawn to the "good guys" type, even in other movies/games/shows. Don't get me wrong--I love being the villain or the lowly grunt too (or watching them work!), but there is something very rewarding to me about doing what many people here have already mentioned.Â

Quote:Good is not absolute and your character is still human. They are going to make mistakes. They are going to be wrong at times. Play them up and make sure that this conflict can be seen play as day.

This is very true and very good advice. Being good just for the sake of good in it of itself can be seen as flat and somewhat dull, both to play and interact with.Â But if a character starts out that way and has their views questioned, the fun part in that--to me--is watching them grow and react to the situations. Most of my characters still surprise me with the shiz they do sometimes.

I haven't really had the chance to RP Rhesh'ir more than once, but I can tell he is more allied with "good" than "evil". However, that doesn't mean he's going to rush out and save the world just because his conscience deems it right.Â It's going to take some development for him to even get his foot out of the door. Or.. forest, as it were.

Anyway, I didn't really have anything too important to add. I just wanted to let the OP know that there are other "good character"-loving sorts out there! Play what YOU want to play, and have fun. <3

Magellan · **10-08-2013, 01:06 PM**

(10-08-2013, 12:35 PM)Kdath Wrote: Often villains get the lion's share of character development, because they do bad things for a reason. They are justified, in their own way, and the awful machinations of their motives are explained. While with the good guys, they are just... good, and they have no reason other than they are good. Saving the world is excellent motivation, but why do you want to save the world? What has it done for you? What does it mean to you?

It's just a character that is a little time worn. People have seen it before, and in an attempt to give their own spin on it, have spun off course. They take the neat bits and pieces of characterization that come from the other side of the spectrum. That's why the grizzled mercenary, the ambivalent anti-hero, and the well intentioned extremist are more popular than straight good/evil diametric anymore.

I want to first clarify I am not talking about paragons of virtue with no flaws. I agree that would be boring. Internal conflict as they strive to uphold their own moral code can make for compelling RP. Their faults are fun to explore. Everyone falters from time to time.

My characters always have reasons for who they are, what they do. If they are champions for justice there is a reason for that. It just feels there isn't a place for that character in these
communities though, because practically everyone is grizzled mercs, anti-heroes, etc. There are
no heroes for them to stand beside.

I also recognize the why of 'why middle morality' characters are most popular. It makes sense. I'm just disappointed by a lack of variety I guess. When I see something labeled as a heroes guild, I expect a heroes story. Its why put that particular character there.

I should also note that I have switched chars, and am thoroughly enjoying both the rp I am having, and this rp community. I am just sad at an inability to find a home for my 'hero' and being able to explore that type of rp also

Faye · **10-08-2013, 01:37 PM**

(10-08-2013, 01:06 PM)Magellan Wrote: I should also note that I have switched chars, and am thoroughly enjoying both the rp I am having, and this rp community. I am just sad at an inability to find a home for my 'hero' and being able to explore that type of rp also

Why not make your own home? I know that not everyone has the time, skills, or desire to create their own free company, linkshell, or however you would like to form the group, but it's always an option. I guess I'm a firm believer of the "if you want something done right, do it yourself" mentality. I'd offer youÂ a place in my free company, as we're a rag-tag bunch of "heroes," but seeing as ICly we're not strictly exclusive and don't make our members prove how "good" they are, I suppose, we'llÂ inevitably have some bad eggs and inner conflict, so I don't think we're what you're looking for.

But! I do have my alt, X'unmei, who's neutral good. She's admittedly more of a martyr than a heroine, the type who will endlessly try to reason with the villain (and endlessly fail) rather than fight against him, or let anyone else fight against him, for that matter. So she's available for anyone on Balmung looking for some fellow good characters to RP with, and if I find a free company that suits her I may throw her in it.

Lost River · **10-08-2013, 01:40 PM**

I don't see good guys being boring to play, what I do see though is when a character becomes a two dimensional being or worse, an one dimensional icon. Everyone has faults and everyone has strengths. I like to see a mix of both.

And no, not let's lay on the faults/weaknesses and be nitty-gritty about it. That's past realism on terms of character development and borderlines what I like to call the: "Grim-Dark" factor, as how Warhammer 40K is Grim-Dark (They over use Grim and Dark so much).

Fleshed out characters, character growth and realistic expectations are something I like. As for the last bit, realistic expectations, can be anything. I know, almost a paradox, but I meant as in how the character perceives. Saving the day or trying to become a god could be considered a realistic expectation if it fits the character.

SessionZero · **10-08-2013, 01:47 PM**

I'm going to utilize the D&D alignment system, flawed and constrictive though it may be, and say my favorite types of characters to play are "Chaotic Good" characters. Llaine, for instance, fights against what sheÂ perceives as those guilty of crimes against the citizens of Eorzea. She and her company only pursue murderers, rapists, bandits, etc., and their means of dealing with said criminals is often brutal and bloody. She lusts for battle and blood and is quick to draw her blade against a foe, but she is not a fan of wanton destruction, nor will she ever go berserker against an innocent.Â

When I played SWTOR, though, I did enjoy playing as a Chaotic Neutral smuggler. Mukah never stepped over the line into Sith-style villainy, and she refused to outright work for the Empire, but she often and willingly engaged in smuggling, drug running, weapons running, assassinations, and the like. She was a criminal, but a halfway honorable criminal, and she was one of the most fun characters I've ever played.

Magellan · **10-08-2013, 02:00 PM**

(10-08-2013, 01:40 PM)Lost River Wrote: And no, not let's lay on the faults/weaknesses and be nitty-gritty about it. That's past realism on terms of character development and borderlines what I like to call the: "Grim-Dark" factor, as how Warhammer 40K is Grim-Dark (They over use Grim and Dark so much).

This

I like a balance. I like to interject a healthy dose of humor and fun mischief into my RP to counterbalance all the grim-dark. And lately, all my hero was getting was grim dark :p

@ Faye: I've considered and shall continue to do so! Though as stated am very happy in my current home!

@ Session: I run the gamut from true neutral to lawful good, but neutral good is my favorite

@ All: thank you all for the input! I read everyone's responses, and appreciate the time and viewpoints that have been shared up to this point ^_^

Rahal · **10-08-2013, 02:14 PM**

Good characters aren't boring to RP. There are no boring character alignments, only bad writers and roleplayers.

Reiko is definitely in the Chaotic Good camp, and while she most definitely has some very violent tendencies, she does try to do the right thing and act heroic at the end of the day. She is also pretty neurotic and nervous about how people will think of her and tries to stay on her best behaviour.

That said, she is rather quick to anger over the smallest of slights, and has a vengeful streak three-miles-wide towards those who personally wrong her (or trolls her too much like with her cousin Daiyumi); that said, she WILL forgive (and even befriend) you after she has exacted vengeance by pounding you into the ground with her Lightning Spells.

In SWTOR my Sith was Lightsided and while she did plenty of morally gray things, wasn't outright evil due to at least trying to be good (which is hard with the Dark Council watching). Her master was also pretty neutral as well.

That said Grimdark RP does bore me and put me off a lot. I don't get the obsession with it, and the drama it always causes also puts me off a lot.

K'dath · **10-08-2013, 02:20 PM**

(10-08-2013, 01:40 PM)Lost River Wrote: I don't see good guys being boring to play, what I do see though is when a character becomes a two dimensional being or worse, an one dimensional icon. Everyone has faults and everyone has strengths. I like to see a mix of both.

And no, not let's lay on the faults/weaknesses and be nitty-gritty about it. That's past realism on terms of character development and borderlines what I like to call the: "Grim-Dark" factor, as how Warhammer 40K is Grim-Dark (They over use Grim and Dark so much).

Fleshed out characters, character growth and realistic expectations are something I like. As for the last bit, realistic expectations, can be anything. I know, almost a paradox, but I meant as in how the character perceives. Saving the day or trying to become a god could be considered a realistic expectation if it fits the character.

"One-dimensionality exists only in theory as a mathematical value." Sorry, couldn't resist.

I completely agree with what you're saying though. Warhammer, for the great influence it's had on our expectations of world building in sci-fi/fantasy, is a crap sack world where there is no reason to hope for anything and nothing ever does get better. People's perception of what is 'normal' has been skewed by the glorification of over the top anti-heroes, where the grit is piled on so thick you could use them as sandbags. It's just as unrealistic as the fantastic world where the good guys are always right, just, and win in the face of overwhelming odds.

Morality is subjective. Realism... not so much.

Lost River · **10-08-2013, 02:28 PM**

Now now, in writing terms, character dimension is classified by three points; but you're right about the mathematical theory. :3

English is so much fun, using words with meaning for something else. No wonder it took me so damn long to learn it.

LOL

I prefer the sea of gray with shining beacons and the dark spots all in one. Variety is the spice of life.

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