(10-18-2013, 07:35 PM)Olofantur Wrote:all accounts of sharing and discussion would be welcome. in fact should you provide any good sources or even just bounce ideas around enough in discussions ICly I'm sure Rogier wouldn't mind listing names of such helpful people in the credits of his works.(10-18-2013, 06:28 PM)LeCard Wrote: cool stuff. Also, I will be working on collecting info about the corrupted crystals(already found a little lore in game) and how they can be used. I will try to put together an IC book with my finding for this project.
Ooh, that sounds very interesting. I wonder if you'd be amenable to sharing any preliminary works you do. In Character I don't study the crystals themselves much but I do make some cursory notes on Aether, its alterations and the natural consequences. Perhaps even an IC peer review? that might be neat to do of material put forward, an open Socratic style discussion of points maybe? just a thought.
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10-19-2013, 03:35 AM
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10-20-2013, 11:34 PM
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Alright folks, I'm back in town and I've got a couple of ideas (titles, authors, and basic outlines) that I'd like to share with you, one and all. I invite all input and ideas from whosoever is interested in the subject (similar and different). If this sort of thing is going well, once we've been sufficiently vetted, we can make the wiki a reality and start working some of our productions into our RP. Here's my first three contributions:
De potentia primorum (or On the Power of the Primals), by Ariston Lecton -A twenty-two volume encyclopedia on the Primals,penned by a famous Midlander philosopher. Every pair of volumes presents Lecton’s findings on the Primals and the beastmen tribes that summon them following two decades of travel and interviewing. The twenty-first volume treats the Egi and the final is a collection of Lecton’s philosophical musings on the subjects collated in the previous twenty-one volumes. A massive undertaking, On the Power of the Primals never achieved wide circulation due to its enormous volume and the prodigious complexity of Lecton’s highly philosophical style. It is incredibly rare to find all twenty-two volumes collected in the same place and it is much more commonly preserved by pairs of volumes at institutions of learning across Eorzea. As such, very few may claim to have read the opus in its entirety; instead, most individuals’ familiarity with its contents comes by way of bibliographic citation and reference in other, arguably simpler works. Summa aetheriae (or Summary of the Aether), by Thaumond of Gelmorra -The otherwise nameless Gelmorran Wildwood known as Thaumond spent a large part of his adult life in Ul’dah, where he met travelers from every corner of Eorzea. Based on hundreds of interviews and his own readings of countless works dealing with individual aetheric aspects and phenomena, he produced the huge Summary of the Aether shortly before his death on his return to Gelmorra. Initially well-received, the work has periodically fallen under criticism for its lack of firsthand observations and the apparent over-eagerness of its author, who, while undeniably thorough, is considered by many to be unorganized and highly theoretical. Nonetheless, the sheer volume of information presented in the work has not been ignored and the text has become a cornerstone across a variety of different fields, usually read in conjunction with A Summary of Thaumond’s Summary,by Daga’sae Vho and Lero Faro. A Summary of Thaumond’s Summary, by Daga'sae Vho and Lero Faro -The Keeper Daga’sae Vho and Plainsfolk Lero Faro,companions and classmates, made the organization, interpretation, and overall editing and correction of Thaumond’s Summary their lives’ work. They dedicated years to exhaustively researching Thaumond’s own sources and attempting to verify or disprove many of the original work’s more outlandish theories. The effort spun into a large undertaking involving both authors and their extended networks of colleagues from across the academic landscape. The result of their effort was their own Summary which is considered by most serious students of the original work to be invaluable in grasping the conclusions and implications of its author. It is, however, criticized in certain circles for myriad reasons, from accusations of diluting Thaumond’s achievements and preventing readers coming to their own conclusions to cries of plagiarism and invention. (I've done some edits and so struck through these introductions so as to prevent confusion with the new post) |
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10-20-2013, 11:59 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-21-2013, 12:00 AM by Olofantur.)
Hmmm all three interesting ideas, I especially like the idea of works referencing each other as is so common IRL.
A few things I think that should be considered. Primal summoning raised drastically since the crash of the Aegis at Mor Dhona during the Garlean invasion following Ala Mhigos suppression. While I don't doubt that the book or at least an effort on Primal research made, i'm unsure how much beyond supposition it would contain. Perhaps we should add a Tag Out of character of how fictitious the book is? (though how seriously its taken in character is left up to the player.) The point that brings it up, is though Ifrit raises as a near direct result of the long standing Ul'dahn conflict with the Amal'ja, and Gardua due to her feather brained band of misfits, I think certain primals (Titan/Levithan/Rahmuh) have maintained a fairly low profile. I still think its a good idea, maybe it could be expanded as a study of the beast folk tribes on a general level? A note on Gelmorra (You can read about it in detail here http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Gelmorra) Gelmorra was at its height during the 6th umbral era, before the founding of Gridania, which I would assume occurred during prior to the founding and habitation of the (in its early stages) purely lalafelln' Ul'dah. Though the information I have to back up that order of events is tenuous. Perhaps Sil'dih could be supplemented? (It being currently in ruins) If using the suggestion of Out of Character tagging intentional misinformation, you could add that while the properties of Aether mayn't have changed, the focuses of it certainly have since the calamity. (And if you're as fond of extrapolation as I am, they've likely changed at every major event, possibly as both cause and effect?) Just some food for thought, all very interesting how ever. |
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10-21-2013, 12:21 AM
(10-20-2013, 11:59 PM)Olofantur Wrote: Hmmm all three interesting ideas, I especially like the idea of works referencing each other as is so common IRL. I read about the more recent appearance of the Primals shortly after posting this and assumed someone would bring it up (which I appreciate). I'm going to reduce the girth of that particular work and make it more of a study of the beastmen tribes, with more of an addendum about the Primals, to make it more believably fit within the time-frame. As for the Gelmorra-Ul'dah timeline, I was a little mixed up on the timeline. I think the Sil'dih substitution could probably work, and maybe that particular work should be a little more fragmentary in modern Eorzea due to time passed and the disappearance of both Gelmorra and Sil'dih. The companion book could then also be in part or initially an attempt to reconstruct the original work by Thaumond. Thoughts? |
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10-21-2013, 12:37 AM
I think that works admirably, supposedly Ul'dah was around before Sil'dih fell, so perhaps an early Lalafelln' scholar who lived in Ul'dah and visited Sil'dih had copies made that were later circulated in Ul'dah (and greater Eorzea) which would lend credence to it as a dated text and one that's heavily analyzed.
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10-21-2013, 10:59 AM
Okay, I've reworked those three according to some of the comments I've received so far. I've also come up with two more, which I'll add below. I've tightened the timeline on the first text while leaving the dates for all of them deliberately vague. I figure once they've been vetted and edited sufficiently and there's some communal agreement on the ideal order of events, we can slap some dates on them or leave them generally in a particular Era.
An Encyclopedia of the Beastmen & Their Ways & Relations & De potentia primorum (or On the Power of the Primals) by Ariston Lecton On the Power of the Primals is a sort of recently released appendix to an older eight volume study on the beastmen tribes called An Encyclopedia of the Beastmen & Their Ways & Relations that originally made its author, Midlander philosopher Ariston Lecton, famous and is already making waves in the academic community. Each of the first seven volumes presents Lecton’s findings on the beastmen tribes and their relations to the nearest city-state or historically inhabited site following decades of travel and thousands of interviews while the eighth hypothesizes on the reality of the Moogles and gives space for Lecton’s philosophical musings on the subjects collated in the previous seven volumes. Although its author has enjoyed great success, An Encyclopedia of the Beastmen & Their Ways & Relations has not enjoyed a wide readership given the impressive diversity of its content and the prodigious complexity of Lecton’s highly philosophical style. It is currently enjoying a resurgence of popularity following the publication of On the Power of the Primals, which is highly controversial and hotly debated and deals with a subject few other works have yet approached. Summa aetheriae (or Summary of the Aether) by Thaumond of Gelmorra The otherwise nameless Gelmorran Wildwood known as Thaumond spent a large part of his adult life in traveling before settling in Sil’dih. During this time he met travelers from every corner of Eorzea and, based on hundreds of interviews and his own readings of countless works dealing with individual aetheric aspects and phenomena, he produced the huge Summary of the Aether shortly before his death on his return to Gelmorra. Some time later, young Duskfolk scholar studying for a time in Sil’dih before its fall, Honana Hona, made copies of the work which she circulated amongst her peers and colleagues in Ul’dah once she returned to that city. Initially well-received,the work has periodically fallen under criticism for its lack of firsthand observations and the apparent over-eagerness of its author, who, while undeniably thorough, is considered by many to be unorganized and highly theoretical. What’s more, the nature of its circulation led to the loss of certain chapters and, during the height of the text’s popularity, a sort of underground trade dealing in faked works and volumes by Thaumond appeared. Nonetheless,the sheer volume of information presented in the work has not been ignored and the text has become a cornerstone across a variety of different fields, usually read in conjunction with A Summary of Thaumond’s Summary, by Daga’sae Vho and Lero Faro. A Summary of Thaumond's Summary by Daga'sae Vho & Lero Faro The Keeper Daga’sae Vho and Plainsfolk Lero Faro,companions and classmates, made the organization, interpretation, and overall editing and correction of Thaumond’s Summary their lives’ work. They dedicated years to exhaustively researching Thaumond’s own sources and attempting to verify or disprove many of the original work’s more outlandish theories. The effort spun into a large undertaking involving both authors and their extended networks of colleagues from across the academic landscape. The result of their effort was their own Summary which is considered by most serious students of the original work to be invaluable in grasping the conclusions and implications of its author. It is, however, criticized in certain circles for myriad reasons, from accusations of diluting Thaumond’s achievements and preventing readers coming to their own conclusions to cries of plagiarism and invention and even offense at the inclusion or exclusion of sections and chapters that many claim were not written by Thaumond himself. The Great & the Small by I'oahina Lahae The Great & the Small is the young and Seeker poet I’oahina Lahae’s collection of highly mystical poetic treatments on all the races and clans of Eorzea and the twelve deities they revere. A beautiful literary achievement, several of the lovelier or cleverer couplets have taken on an almost anthemic importance to the more poetically inclined of each race. Lacking in serious academic credibility, the work remains popular for the beauty of its language and the strikingly optimistic worldview it presents of a highly idealized version of Eorzea and her gods.  O Dalamud by Tylan Tolar Now increasingly called Tylan the Calamitous, Tylan Tolar is the pseudonym of an unknown individual, presumably Hyur, who wrote an epic ode to the lesser moon Dalamud. Now, after the Calamity, it is less read and its author has become a target of sarcasm, irony, and general disappointment and disillusionment. Copies are being preserved for the sake of historical value, but the formerly beloved O Dalamud has become a sore subject in the literary sphere of Eorzea,apparently diminishing the value of a great many works that cite or reference the poem in their own text. 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10-21-2013, 12:40 PM
In rp the other night, I made up a title on the fly:
The Green Hills of the Forgotten Springs. It's a story about two sunkitties who fall in love, but from different tribes and run away to be together. |
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10-21-2013, 06:08 PM
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10-21-2013, 10:29 PM
A lot happened to this thread since the OP, which was the last I read of it. I poped in and got pretty hung up over the line: I'm not expecting anything on the level of The Elder Scrolls here
And I was like... why not? The Elder Scrolls had some of the greatest flavor in any RPG. Why not aspire to that level of thoroughness? There were hundreds of publications each with their own unique flavor and spin on the world. Why not make something like that? So, I grabbed a list of about 500 book titles, then set about modifying and reworking them in accordance with Eorzean lore, as a sort of 'pet project'. Some of them are blatantly ripped off, some not, though I'd prefer to think of them as loving tributes or clever references rather than 'rip offs' of any series, real or fake. I tried to touch on a broad range of lore ranging from medical to mythical, hard lore and folktales, short stories, cultural tributes, weaving many different races, perspectives, and locations into the whole thing as possible. I especially tried to highlight little known or obscure lore, some background flavor for dungeons and enemies, and a few popular player theories (just because something is a book doesn't make it true!) There are a lot of points I didn't get around to addressing, and a lot of lore I simply do not know and am not aware of, so I didn't handle it. What follows is a proposed list of titles and short summations of proposed content. I personally wash my hands of it and put this list out there to be perused, picked apart, altered, changed, or lambasted as the community sees fit. If you want to do anything with it at all, permission is yours to do what you will. |
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10-21-2013, 11:31 PM
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The Lusty Amalj'aa Maid [/quote] Somebody write this. Anybody. Please. |
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10-21-2013, 11:37 PM
Oh no, I understand what the OP's intent and meaning was, I just chose to take that line out of context and highlight it because I've a long history with the series. I've always been very involved with TES community and was involved with several projects of a similar nature to this for both Morrowind and Oblivion. Skyrim and its community are garbage though. It's part nostalgic and part excitement on my end. I didn't mean to project that onto anyone else or try to derail anything. It was just some well intentioned suggestions I threw together, based on my own meandering thought process.
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10-21-2013, 11:40 PM
Whats wrong with the lusty amaalja maid? They had the Lusty Argonian in Skyrim which I absolutely loved (it was hilarious).
Also the Green Hills book I mentioned was just a background title I made up that I said Taijha had been reading. |
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