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Jomoru · **12-27-2013, 08:30 PM**

(12-27-2013, 05:38 AM)Rickter Wrote: Well its apparent we all have different ideas about what the life spans of the races are!Â

I just want to know what is considered "young" or "Old" for a race.

i attributed shorter life spans to mi'qote due to their feline "properties" (i figured cats have shorter lives than humans right?)

Now that i think about it, Lalafell should have relatively shorter lifespans as well if we want to get detailed.Â Real Life midgets dont live as long as normal sized humans because of the stress they experience having to adapt to the world with their size.Â its the same concept that left handed people live shorter than right handed people.Â but then again, lalfell have their society built around their size so the inconveniences that a midget in our world may experience, a lalafell in Hydaelyn may not.

Elezen is the typical Elf race so i gave them longer life spans by default but now that i think about it, do Elezen fall into the typical elvish lore of being hte oldest and wisest race in the world?Â

i suppose the developers just hadnt really thought about this part of the lore.

And Apes have shorter life spans than humans. The whole Feline thing is a red herring. Â Hobbits outlived most manner of men except those who had the blood of Numanor. Gnomes and Dwarves also regularly outlive the human types. Mithra from FF 11 didn't age at all.

But lets instead look at the game. The black mage quests have a Lalafell who spent 90 years in a dungeon.. he does not look like an old man. The pugelist quests have an hyur age while his Roe Nemesis hasn't seemed to.

So What I assume is Hyur and Miqote are the shortest lived. Elezen in the middle with Roe and Lalas surviving the longest

Rickter · **12-28-2013, 12:52 AM**

(12-27-2013, 06:50 PM)ansemaru Wrote: There's also the Crazy As Balls Hypothesis for why the Hyur and Elezen are similar enough that the Hyur have made note of it while the Elezen vehemently deny it. Have you seen the concept art for Shiva? And have you noticed how a certain region that is mostly inhabited by Elezen has suddenly and mysteriously become covered in ice and snow after years of being a more temperate region- a region inhabited by individuals who display fanatical devotion to an icy goddess? You know how the beastmen races have grown to resemble their Primal over time?

Cough. Cough.

no riddles, what are you talking about? i have never seen this in game or heard of it.

ansemaru · **12-28-2013, 05:08 PM**

@Rickter

This is the concept art I was talking about. Shiva is tall, lanky, and pointy-eared. You may note that the Ixal are feathery, the Kobolds hunched and bulky, the Amalj'aa scaly and horned, the Sylphs robed and levitating, the Sahaugin finned and aquatic, and the dragons are... well, dragons. Each beastman race associated with a Primal shares prominent physical characteristics with it. From lore in the similar XI and from 1.0, the suggestion exists that worship of a Primal causes a group to become more and more like said Primal over time- hence the zealous Amalj'aa, who have a more frequent success rate in summoning Ifrit, bearing a stronger resemblance to their god, while the Sylphs, who even amongst the tempered do not make frequent efforts to call upon Ramuh, do not look quite as close to him. There's a very real possibility that before the worship of Primals took, the beastmen appeared very different.

Shiva's primary characteristics are not dissimilar to those of the Elezen. The implication being that it may not be impossible that they are, in fact, a "bastard" offshoot of Hyur- those whose worship of a "Halone" who was not Halone, but Shiva- caused them to over time take on characteristics of Shiva and resemble Hyur less and less, until they became a distinct lineage separate from their shorter, less pointy-eared kin.

That said, it's very unlikely this hypothesis is true. Although there's a strong possibility that Shiva is responsible for Ishgard's current state, there's no telling if she has been posing as or is the true identity of Halone, or if her influence is what made the Elezen the Elezen. It's just an interesting way to look at things.

LiadansWhisper · **12-28-2013, 06:04 PM**

That picture doesn't seem to load for me. Â Sad

Rickter · **12-28-2013, 08:51 PM**

so who do you think is worshipping Shiva? not all elezen. . . maybe the duskwights?Â you dont see alot of them in game and the ones you do see are held to some disdain.

ansemaru · **12-28-2013, 10:20 PM**

Maybe more Elezen than now, in the past. Currently? The Ishgardians. I don't think the Duskwights are likely candidates, though that might be my bias from actually playing one and familiarizing myself with the lore. After all, the Duskwights in Coerthas are few and far between, if at all present.

Sounsyy · **12-29-2013, 02:36 AM**

(12-27-2013, 03:51 AM)Rickter Wrote: Hi all,

Im new to the forums here so if this has been answered already please close the thread (and direct me to the appropriate section).Â So i've been wondering about Life Spans of the different races and if there is any information out there on them.

Seems to me like Mi'qote would have the shortest lifespans
Roegadyn and hyur have average life spans
Lalafels and Elezen have the longest lifespans.

I seriously have nothing to base this off of.Â what do you guys think?

is there even an established average life span?

So, there's very little information given about lifespans. The best we've got is that Hyur live an average RL Human lifespan of about 70-90 years give or take.

"Â The Elezen are a characteristically tall people, long of limb and slender of build. They are also possessed of a somewhat extended lifespan in comparison to the Hyur.Â "
-Lodestone Race Description

So best assumption, maybe 100-120 years for Elezen.

Lalafell have an even more extended life span. There was text in a few places in 1.0 and now again in 2.0 BLM quest line that suggests Lalafells live greater than 100 years. Ququruka states he himself has been imprisoned over 100 years. Suggesting that Lalafell can live between 120-150 years of age or greater.

There are no definitive lore references for the ages of Miqo'te or Roegadyn to my knowledge. If someone finds different, please link. I keep hearing Miqo'te live the shortest lifespans (60~ or so years), and while I want to believe it, I haven't seen proof. I think the rumor was started by mis-translating the lodestone text stating that Miqo'te are the shortest existing race in Eorzea.Â

" Â Though their presence in Eorzea is lesser than that of the other races...Â "
-Lodestone Race Description

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(12-27-2013, 05:49 PM)Rickter Wrote: There is a race i hope they make playable (or at least give us some kind of unique customization option) and they are the Padjhal(spelling?).Â According to the lore, they appear to stop aging while still children so i am curious as to their lifespan as well.

So Padjal are interesting. Originally believed to be Hyuran only (ARR WHM quest took care of that theory). What we know from Fernhwales is that select families of Hyuran families (and possibly some Elezen as well, but this is not evidenced in game) produce Padjal children. What happens is, the child will be born normal, but when they reach puberty, instead of developing into adulthood, Padjal children will develop horns. As the child ages, their horns will grow longer, but their body will remain frozen in a pre-pubescent state.

So while we are not given an exact age range for Padjal, we can judge how old they are roughly by the length of their horns.Â

Now, this has also given rise to the belief that Kan-E-Senna was either the first or one of the original Chosen Padjal, during the time of the Pact of Gelmorra. She is the only Padjal that is an adult and has the longest horns of all shown Padjal. If this theory is correct, that would mean Kan-E has been alive 500 years. However, this is just a theory based upon the fact that she is the only existing adult Padjal.

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(12-27-2013, 06:39 PM)LandStander Wrote: Funny thing. I remember reading about how when the Hyur first migrated to Eorzea and met the Elezen that some scholars thought that the Elezen were a bastard race of Hyur, but of course the Elezen completely call BS on this claim. I can't recall if there are still some scholars who still hold his belief. I'll try to dig up where I found that at.

"Â There are Eorzean historians who believe that these similarities in names may be proof that the two races are of similar originâ”€â€™open-mindedâ€™ Hyuran historians claiming the Elezen are a bastard race spun off from the Hyurs (and not the other way around). Elezen historians, on the other hand, simply deny any blood relation whatsoever.Â "
-Elezen Naming Conventions

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Last but not least, the Shiva thing. Shiva is one of the Eight Primals of Eorzea. My guess is that Shiva is worshiped by the Gigas. I thought there was levequest text somewhere that linked them? I could be wrong, so I'm gonna go look in game and get back to this. Definitely not the Elezen though. Only beastmen and those tempered by the Primal's influence worship Primals.

The Races of Man loosely worship or pay homage to the Twelve. The true Gods of Eorzea who created the Eight Primals to serve them. There was quest text in 1.0 that suggested that the reason the Beastmen worship the Primals (and resemble them) is because the Primals created the Beastmen races to serve them well before the Races of Man even came to Eorzea many many millennia ago.

ansemaru · **12-29-2013, 03:10 AM**

Are the Gigas actually established as a canon beastman race in FFXIV? I've seen nothing suggesting them, nor their connection to Shiva, other than your post here.

ansemaru · **12-29-2013, 03:13 AM**

And, well. The existence of Tempering directly contradicts "only beastmen worship Primals". A case could be made for "only beastmen willingly worship Primals", I suppose, but the distinction is still necessary.

Tla · **12-29-2013, 05:18 AM**

Actually, we have yet to discover who worships Shiva, since the devs said it's a beastman race that will only be introduced with Shiva herself. So not Gigas.

As for beastman resembling always more to their Primal...in reality Ixali are less and less so, since they lost their wings. So I guess it's a rule not valid for everyone.

Sounsyy · **12-29-2013, 11:41 AM**

So I went back looking for levequest text that suggested a connection between Gigas and Shiva and I couldn't find it unfortunately, so I corrected my post until an actual connection is made. Sorry for the mis-information. ^^Â

Still, there is also no evidence that suggests Elezen worship Shiva either. Nophica and Halone yes, but dragons and primals no. haha

TheLastCandle · **12-29-2013, 11:55 AM**

It's an interesting theory, though it seems unlikely if only because Ishgard was founded by Wildwood, which in turn means it was after the schism that split the Elezen into two clans. Unless the Shiva of antiquity was a prominent figure in the Black Shroud that the undivided Elezen roamed before Gridania's founding - more prominent than Gridania's matron goddess being Nophica would indicate - I'd have to surmise that Shiva and the Elezen sharing pointed ears is a fluke.

I'm excited to see what strange new race of Beastmen is introduced with Shiva, whether they turn out to be some predecessor of the Elezen or something else entirely. Since neither Shiva nor her followers seem to be anywhere in sight, could they be hiding in Abalathia's Spine gathering their strength? Or biding their time to let the long winter (and dragons) whittle away at the Ishgardian spirit?

allgivenover · **12-29-2013, 12:40 PM**

I don't know where the hypothesis that Miqo'te are short lived came from, as I can't find anything that suggests they might have a short life span compared to other races. It seems like reasoned speculation that somehow entered RP fanon around here.

You could deduce that perhaps many of them die young because of their lifestyle, but that isn't indicative of their natural longevity.

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ansemaru · **12-29-2013, 01:14 PM**

The implication I was trying to get at is that perhaps what the Ishgardians assume is Halone is not, in fact, Halone. If an icy goddess comes up to you and says she's your pantheon's icy goddess, are you really going to question her on that?

TheLastCandle · **12-29-2013, 01:25 PM**

(12-29-2013, 01:14 PM)ansemaru Wrote: The implication I was trying to get at is that perhaps what the Ishgardians assume is Halone is not, in fact, Halone. If an icy goddess comes up to you and says she's your pantheon's icy goddess, are you really going to question her on that?

I gathered as much, and I'm not discounting that possibility. It would certainly explain the Archbishop's.. fervor. But unless I misunderstand your theory, it was that devotion to the Primal is responsible for the Elezen's appearance. An unwieldy conclusion if we're only considering Ishgard, given the two clans' origins prior to the founding of that city and Gridania.

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