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McBeefâ„¢ · **07-15-2014, 02:50 PM**

I mean I know we murder you all in frontlines, but no need to take out your frustration against Ul'dah in this thread.

Kage · **07-15-2014, 02:53 PM**

I can see this discussion getting heated...

I can see why I've suggested that anyone attempting an RP world-continuity timeline or event would have large issues coming up right here. I remember a few posts or threads but essentially, some had asked about making a timeline of RP events or such where roleplayers would then say yes that happened no that happened etc.

However people -have- said things that can definitely be construed as attacks on the players when read in context of everything going on. In fact, some comments have never been constructive about the current context this thread was made in and is utterly blasting it AND its organizers and players to bits.

Zhavi · **07-15-2014, 02:53 PM**

(07-15-2014, 02:43 PM)ArmachiA Wrote:
(07-15-2014, 02:23 PM)Zhavi Wrote: And I am really sorry you feel like stuff has broken your rp. That's never a good feeling to have.

The point is people shouldn't have to work around such power plays.

My point is that in a big community sometimes it's going to happen. It isn't about my personal preferences, but rather how I deal with things as they occur.

McBeefâ„¢ · **07-15-2014, 02:53 PM**

(07-15-2014, 02:49 PM)Aerghwab Wrote:
(07-15-2014, 02:43 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: As I said before we're aware of the issues, we've taken countermeasures, and we're not going to stop.

So feel free to keep talking about how you don't like it I guess? I would rather everyone on the server thought it was great, but we're not going to stop having fun with our plots because of it.

I don't see anything constructive coming from this thread. If people have suggestions about the way things can be done differently, that's fine, but these large scale plots aren't going anywhere. If history is any judge they're just going to get bigger.
From what I've seen, people were being constructive, and then you perceived their perfectly valid concerns as a personal attack for whatever reason. Simply coming into the thread and saying, "We're not gonna stop, so there" isn't particularly constructive either. Not in any definition of the word that I'm aware of.

I asked for clarification, and was told literally that we as a group were being selfish for what we're doing. If that's not a personal attack, I'm not sure what is.

Aerghwab · **07-15-2014, 02:53 PM**

(07-15-2014, 02:50 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: I mean I know we murder you all in frontlines, but no need to take out your frustration against Ul'dah in this thread.

I don't participate in PvP and I'm not sure what this has to do with anything - at all - but.. congratulations on the sick burn, I guess?

Miza · **07-15-2014, 02:54 PM**

(07-15-2014, 02:50 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: I mean I know we murder you all in frontlines, but no need to take out your frustration against Ul'dah in this thread.

Like someone just told you in the previous page, all of your posts in this thread have come off increasingly as passive-aggressive. You say to be constructive, yet you're not really doing that yourself. What does the post I just quoted add to the discussion? Nothing but upset feelings.

As for city-wide RP, I believe it's a good thing. We definitely don't want to be stuck in taverns all day. And from the sound of it, it seems like this poison well situation has been getting blown way out of proportion.

ArmachiA · **07-15-2014, 02:55 PM**

You asked if it was selfish and I gave you an answer, I didn't volunteer the information. Don't get it twisted.

Melkire · **07-15-2014, 02:57 PM**

Nuke this thread from high orbit, please.

Enteris · **07-15-2014, 02:59 PM**

I was going to keep the PM in a PM, but seeing as it's pertinent to this discussion... and I've been passive-aggressively called out for my ruining a city-state comment (OsricÂ Tongue

), I figured I might share a slightly deeper look into my personal thought process.

However, before I do, I would like to point out that in no way do I feel that any involved are bad RPers. I say this only because in previous threads, it's been the norm to twist words into such accusations.

Now then... onto the copy pasta with minor edits...

Essentially, the Ul'dah RP is on such a grand scale that, like the wiz has said, people will fall into two categories. The first being those that accept the RP is part of server lore (god... I hate that terminology) and will RP along with it. The second is the group of people that will not accept it, or don't even know about it (as only a fraction of the RP community even uses this website), and as such will run the risk of becoming RP pariahs because they didn't accept what the "in-crowd" states is lore.

As for how it frustrates me, I RP with and am known to several of the "top dogs" in that plot. My company RP is a merchant ship. Not even two days ago, Askier came up to Raandal in game and asked for his help in delivering fresh water.

Now, this puts me in all sorts of binds.Â

Raandal is deeply fond and protective of Ul'dah. It's his home. Were this to actually have happened, it would only make sense that Raandal would hop on board and help out however he could.Â
If I am to accept his contract, that would mean that I thereby accept that this RP did happen... and now force my company (the crew and couriers of the ship) to also accept said plot.
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I either have to accept the plot happened and RP out 1 and 2, or RP in game that Askier is absolutely insane and that the water is entirely fine, thereby painting a huge target on myself to become a RP pariah due to the fact that Askier is one of the "in-crowd" in this community.
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Not accepting the plot also runs the risk of those connected to me, namely my FC, also being painted as pariahs.

I, personally, do not accept that the poisoning happened and refuse to RP that it did. At the risk of becoming the RP pariah that I mentioned, I will act as though people mentioning Ul'dah's water being poisoned are insane.

It's just large plots like this (and even the bomb one of Askier's prior to this water poisoning) that pigeon hole people into one of the two categories that I mentioned above. With the bomb plot, there were certain things that I didn't care for so I rewrote Raandal out of the Flames and Sultansworn to be able to still RP with the other people and not force them to change their particular views. (Again, not saying it was bad RP. It just wasn't RP that I personally agreed with.)

Either you accept it and get to be accepted into the "in-crowd", or you stick to your beliefs and standards... and thereby get shunned and outcast.

There are many reasons why I refuse to accept it. The two most salient of those being consent to have a plot forced upon an RPer, and plausibility.

If it did happen it would affect far too many RPers without their consent. How many story lines, personal or FC, are now going to be hampered if not all around screwed because of this? On a small scale, as I mentioned before, Ul'dah is important to Raandal, am I now forced to accept that thousands (from what I understand and has been "confirmed" by Askier in the other thread) of people have died in his home town? Just what thousands have died? Politicians? Merchants? Street Urchins? What about any RPers that have stories that somehow tie directly to the water supply? Do they have to accept this poisoning or else risk being shunned and ousted?

The plausibility of Jin'li poisoning as much water as he did without being caught earlier is just absolutely insane to me. Even in that thread (and I'm paraphrasing here), they mention that the ones that were supposed to be on the lookout for Jin'li never showed and it was just shrugged off as an "oops". So, because players had scheduling conflicts, the PCs were unable to attend said event and stop the poisoning... which completely ignores the NPC side of things. They tried to cover that with the whole whiskey deal, but even then a guard would have kicked his rear out and told him to pour it in the sands. Nevermind the idea of pouring it into the water supply instead of on the ground to begin with. You don't pour anything into the water/drinking supply of a desert city and just get told not to do it again. Layer that on top of the built in lore from square regarding the war effort(s) that are constantly happening against the Garleans and primals and you're really starting to push boundaries as far as writing server lore (ew, terrible term).

Roswyn · **07-15-2014, 02:59 PM**

I think it just really comes down to mutual consideration for other people.

I haven't seen anyone in the Ul'dah plotline shoving the events around and I haven't really heard of anyone feeling that their RP is squelched because of it.

Regardless of ANY RP event as long as you have consideration for other people you'll be fine. Laugh

One can argue though that having HUGE events like an attack on Ul'dah is inherently disrespectful to the canon and to other rpers. I can see both sides of this one. To the people involved, it's fun to actually have something be at stake and see how it affects your character. To those not involved, they might just see "Oh, that's the guy who always doing OP stuff."

The co-existance of these two mindsets can be....difficult. But that doesn't make either side "right or wrong". Live and let live. If it doesn't affect your character then move along and those involved should let you move along and we all go on to drink at the QS another day. Laugh

TheLastCandle · **07-15-2014, 02:59 PM**

(07-15-2014, 02:50 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: I mean I know we murder you all in frontlines, but no need to take out your frustration against Ul'dah in this thread.

^ The point at which this thread became a McBeefstick-waving thread.

McBeefâ„¢ · **07-15-2014, 03:00 PM**

(07-15-2014, 02:54 PM)Miza Wrote:
(07-15-2014, 02:50 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: I mean I know we murder you all in frontlines, but no need to take out your frustration against Ul'dah in this thread.
Like someone just told you in the previous page, all of your posts in this thread have come off increasingly as passive-aggressive. You say to be constructive, yet you're not really doing that yourself. What does the post I just quoted add to the discussion? Nothing but upset feelings.

As for city-wide RP, I believe it's a good thing. We definitely don't want to be stuck in taverns all day. And from the sound of it, it seems like this poison well situation has been getting blown way out of proportion.

It was a joke, the Immortal Flames are bad in frontlines. T_T

I gave constructive comments, I said the things we do to try and mitigate any continuity problems. The issue is that then people came in to attack us and our plots. So I defended them, and tried to explain. But people don't want to hear it, so there isn't really anything left for me to say at this point.

We're not going to stop, we like doing it, sorry you don't like it. If that's selfish then so be it, but I am not the one judging people for not liking it. It's fine that you don't like it, but we're just doing what we're doing.

McBeefâ„¢ · **07-15-2014, 03:01 PM**

(07-15-2014, 02:57 PM)Melkire Wrote: Nuke this thread from high orbit, please.

Yes plz.

Tiergan · **07-15-2014, 03:04 PM**

This is like watching a train-wreck in slow motion.

Guys. This is a video game where we are playing make-believe with each other with virtual dolls. There's no need for all of the hostility being thrown about on the forums and everything is just snowballing into a giant firestorm of negative feelings.

Let's all take a deep breath and step back from the forums a bit, eh?

ArmachiA · **07-15-2014, 03:04 PM**

No one is attacking you, the one thing that could have been seen as an attack ("It's selfish") was asked BY YOU if it was selfish.

Yall are way way way to defensive about Ul'dah and your stories.

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