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Grike · **06-13-2013, 10:27 PM**

Really Iâ€™m just interested in how you guys think the different races would react to each other on a cultural level. There are enough differences to make role playing pretty interesting so I wanted to know, how will your character interact with other races whose ways of life are so different from their own? Or even just separate clans?

For example my character, a Male Miqoâ€™te Sunseeker named Kâ€™haz gets really...twitchy around female Hyur. The concept of dating is beyond him as well as marriage. He really canâ€™t wrap his mind around the whole marriage thing and sees it all as some elaborate trap cooked up by the female mind to ensnare unsuspecting males into willing servitude. Every time he spots a wedding ring he canâ€™t help but feel sorry for the poor bastard chained to the other end of it.

So what about you guys? Do any of your characters suffer from any cultural blocks or quirks?

Gideon Aryeh · **06-13-2013, 10:38 PM**

My character Reese has a thing for Miqo, Hyur and Elezen women, funny enough a very pretty effeminate male of any of these races could get his attention despite him being almost alpha male in a lot of his personality (just without the jerk aspects of an alpha male and he can be a little shy at times).

He also wouldn't react to well if hit on by a masculine male like himself, not in a fighting way he'd just probably freeze. For him that would be a bit too strange, as he believes in roles.

He would feel weird if hit on by a Roegadyn or Lalafell female or male, not reacting In a mean way just blushing and not really knowing how to react.

All in all though he sees all races as the same and doesn't have any aversions to anyone in particular when it comes to mortal races. Demons and dragons are another story.

Oh and Garleans, he wishes to introduce Gaius without his face piece to his knees, fist, elbows and forehead.

Grike · **06-13-2013, 10:50 PM**

I think I get it. Reese is the kind of guy who likes holding the 'male' role in a relationship. I wonder how he would do with the keepers of the moon who seem to have a heavyÂ matriarchal society. Or any kind of society that would force him to play the more submissive role.Â

It's pretty interesting.

Gideon Aryeh · **06-13-2013, 11:03 PM**

(06-13-2013, 10:50 PM)Stalkingrike Wrote: I think I get it. Reese is the kind of guy who likes holding the 'male' role in a relationship. I wonder how he would do with the keepers of the moon who seem to have a heavyÂ matriarchal society. Or any kind of society that would force him to play the more submissive role.Â

It's pretty interesting.

He wouldn't be able to handle it and couldn't do the relationship as it would ruin his perception of roles, and don't get me wrong its not like he wouldn't want a strong partner per se, its that they would have to let him have his role.

A keeper of the moon female and himself would probably never work if she is traditional.

Arlon · **06-13-2013, 11:54 PM**

Uruvion(Duskwight Elezen male) doesnt get along with male Hyur. He always respects women, so he doesnt have as aggresive an attitude towards hyur women.

Gideon Aryeh · **06-14-2013, 12:09 AM**

(06-13-2013, 11:54 PM)Arlon Wrote: Uruvion(Duskwight Elezen male) doesnt get along with male Hyur. He always respects women, so he doesnt have as aggresive an attitude towards hyur women.

Â Any reason why in particular?

Eva · **06-14-2013, 12:19 AM**

Eva (duskwight elezen female) regards most of the races and genders pretty much the same, tending to draw her opinions more on the way they conduct themselves than what they look like - she was also relatively frumpy and unattractive for most of her life so she does not put physical appearance on any sort of pedestal.

This unprejudiced view manifests itself in her despite growing up in a household with a father who exhibited somewhat racist tendencies (generally against miqo'te). Â His racism is less a product of any sort of hatred than it was a factor of his upbringing and "that's just how things were back then" in his culture. Â Eva is happy to call a number of miqo'te good friends and sort of thinks that aspect of her father's persona was a bit silly and misguided. Â She and her father seldom saw eye to eye on many things though.

If we're talking about physical attraction (touched upon this a bit in the intimacy poll), she generally keeps to her own race when considering a mate. Â There were issues in the past when a former lover was Wildwood and not Duskwight (from both families). Â She is also often inexplicably attracted to roegadyn men.

Grike · **06-14-2013, 12:33 AM**

(06-14-2013, 12:19 AM)Eva Wrote: Eva (duskwight elezen female) regards most of the races and genders pretty much the same, tending to draw her opinions more on the way they conduct themselves than what they look like - she was also relatively frumpy and unattractive for most of her life so she does not put physical appearance on any sort of pedestal.

This unprejudiced view manifests itself in her despite growing up in a household with a father who exhibited somewhat racist tendencies (generally against miqo'te). Â His racism is less a product of any sort of hatred than it was a factor of his upbringing and "that's just how things were back then" in his culture. Â Eva is happy to call a number of miqo'te good friends and sort of thinks that aspect of her father's persona was a bit silly and misguided. Â She and her father seldom saw eye to eye on many things though.

If we're talking about physical attraction (touched upon this a bit in the intimacy poll), she generally keeps to her own race when considering a mate. Â There were issues in the past when a former lover was Wildwood and not Duskwight (from both families). Â She is also often inexplicably attracted to roegadyn men.

Yeah, from what little I know of your character she seems pretty open minded - which is understandable because I believe she is a nurse (right?)

But my question is: What about any misconceptions your character might have about the cultures of other races? Though K'haz has been involved with other races he's still ignorant to some of their culture, which could lead to a few social blunders here and there.Â

For example K'haz comes from a tribal culture so the intricacies of court would escape him. If someone is doing bad things and everyone knows it you leave him stranded out in the middle of the desert - end of story. However not getting rid of some higher up because he has influence? K'haz doesn't get that. This can cause some tension between races that value political rank and noble blood as he just doesn't see the point of it. He grew up among a people where the strongest survived and got to pass on there genetics - not who had the noblest blood.

Eva · **06-14-2013, 12:48 AM**

Ah, yes. Â I think I misunderstood and was going by some of the responses so far. Â And yes, among other things Eva is a trained nurse/midwife.

She is also a few generations removed from her original culture, so she's spent the entirety of her life away from her clan's place of origin. Â A lot of traditions have been passed down, but she didn't fully understand it until recently when she went back to the caverns from where her great-grandfather had "ascended" and visited with those whom were distant cousins.

As far as other cultures go, she's lived in the melting pot that is Eorzea amongst the other races for most of her life. Â She was a bit sheltered for most of it, living in Gridania and spending a lot of time reading books where she worked. Â But the past few years have opened her eyes and while it might be dangerous to say nothing would surprise her, it's probably not too far off. Â She doesn't know the specifics of miqo'te or roegadyn cultures other than what she's been told by others and their own more specific histories. Â Even other duskwight cultures that have been described to her are foreign to what she grew up with.

One thing that I did just think of is that she was brought up believing devotion and loyalty to one's mate is the most sacred of bonds, and to betray that trust is the worst kind of sin one can commit. Â So she does get confused by some of the more tribal things such as the taking of more than one mate, or open marriages, or spousal betrayal and infidelity and things like that bother her on a much deeper level than they might others. Â For her loyalty is paramount.

I'm rambling now though... Â Angel

Grike · **06-14-2013, 01:33 AM**

(06-14-2013, 12:48 AM)Eva Wrote: Ah, yes. Â I think I misunderstood and was going by some of the responses so far. Â And yes, among other things Eva is a trained nurse/midwife.

She is also a few generations removed from her original culture, so she's spent the entirety of her life away from her clan's place of origin. Â A lot of traditions have been passed down, but she didn't fully understand it until recently when she went back to the caverns from where her great-grandfather had "ascended" and visited with those whom were distant cousins.

As far as other cultures go, she's lived in the melting pot that is Eorzea amongst the other races for most of her life. Â She was a bit sheltered for most of it, living in Gridania and spending a lot of time reading books where she worked. Â But the past few years have opened her eyes and while it might be dangerous to say nothing would surprise her, it's probably not too far off. Â She doesn't know the specifics of miqo'te or roegadyn cultures other than what she's been told by others and their own more specific histories. Â Even other duskwight cultures that have been described to her are foreign to what she grew up with.

One thing that I did just think of is that she was brought up believing devotion and loyalty to one's mate is the most sacred of bonds, and to betray that trust is the worst kind of sin one can commit. Â So she does get confused by some of the more tribal things such as the taking of more than one mate, or open marriages, or spousal betrayal and infidelity and things like that bother her on a much deeper level than they might others. Â For her loyalty is paramount.

I'm rambling now though... Â

Lol, I don't mind the rambling if it's always that interesting.Â

I could see Eva and K'haz butting heads a lot, even if they're both healers. Loyalty to a spouse he can understand to a certain point (providing for her health, protecting her, etc.) but only if it benefits the whole clan. Tribal culture is generally a very collective society and the health of the tribe is more important than any individual needs. Only mating with one female when males are so few would seem selfish to him.

I'm sorry for the confusion. Maybe I should change the thread's title?

Uther · **06-17-2013, 10:23 PM**

Uther was raised by a half-breed Hyur, so he was taught to respect all other races. That being said, he isÂ from Ishgard which is a pretty backward place, so he has a few weird quirks when it comes to race.

Being very knightly and classically chivalrous, Uther can't really relate to the Keepers of the Moon's matriarchal society. This isn't because he belittles women, his sister is as strong and fast as he is. It's just not how the roles work in his culture. At the same time, he also doesn't understand the Seeker of the Sun tradition of one male taking many female mates. He very much believes in strong, mutual dedication between two partners. He doesn't belittle Lalafells either (pun intended...), but he will assume they are scholarly and physically inept upon first meeting them. On the other side of the coin though, when he meets a Lalafell with great combat prowess he is doubly impressed.

As for attraction, Uther tends to be attracted to Elezen females for their elegant form and mannerisms. He has also been attracted to Midlander women and rarely he'll be attracted to a Miqo'te or two, but not often. He shies away from Roegadyn females because of his sense of roles (which was discussed by Rock earlier), and Lalafell females because... well he's a grown man and that's gross.

Really though, he's cool with all races for the most-part. He even has a son (that he doesn't know about) who is 1/8th Highlander, 3/8ths Midlander, 1/4th Duskwight, and 1/4th Wildwood, if that's any indicator.

It's important to keep in mind that for most people Eorzea is a melting pot and racial tension is pretty low.

For purposes of avoiding confusion, I'll add this in:

Skald Skystrider (1/2 Midlander, 1/2 Highlander) and his wife (Midlander) gave birth to Uther Skystrider (1/4 Highlander, 3/4 Midlander). Uther had a child with Igraine Jevoux (1/2 Duskwight, 1/2 Wildwood). The child was Bedivere Windborne (1/8 Highlander, 3/8 Midlander, 1/4 Duskwight, 1/4 Wildwood)..... The kid probably looks like a freakÂ Tongue

Grike · **06-17-2013, 10:42 PM**

(06-17-2013, 10:23 PM)Uther Wrote: Uther was raised by a half-breed Hyur, so he was taught to respect all other races. That being said, he isÂ from Ishgard which is a pretty backward place, so he has a few weird quirks when it comes to race.

Being very knightly and classically chivalrous, Uther can't really relate to the Keepers of the Moon's matriarchal society. This isn't because he belittles women, his sister is as strong and fast as he is. It's just not how the roles work in his culture. At the same time, he also doesn't understand the Seeker of the Sun tradition of one male taking many female mates. He very much believes in strong, mutual dedication between two partners. He doesn't belittle Lalafells either (pun intended...), but he will assume they are scholarly and physically inept upon first meeting them. On the other side of the coin though, when he meets a Lalafell with great combat prowess he is doubly impressed.

As for attraction, Uther tends to be attracted to Elezen females for their elegant form and mannerisms. He has also been attracted to Midlander women and rarely he'll be attracted to a Miqo'te or two, but not often. He shies away from Roegadyn females because of his sense of roles (which was discussed by Rock earlier), and Lalafell females because... well he's a grown man and that's gross.

Really though, he's cool with all races for the most-part. He even has a son (that he doesn't know about) who is 1/8th Highlander, 3/8ths Midlander, 1/4th Duskwight, and 1/4th Wildwood, if that's any indicator.

It's important to keep in mind that for most people Eorzea is a melting pot and racial tension is pretty low.

For purposes of avoiding confusion, I'll add this in:

Skald Skystrider (1/2 Midlander, 1/2 Highlander) and his wife (Midlander) gave birth to Uther Skystrider (1/4 Highlander, 3/4 Midlander). Uther had a child with Igraine Jevoux (1/2 Duskwight, 1/2 Wildwood). The child was Bedivere Windborne (1/8 Highlander, 3/8 Midlander, 1/4 Duskwight, 1/4 Wildwood)..... The kid probably looks like a freakÂ

Man that kid is going to have one messed up family tree. Though you are right about the melting pot thing which actually makes me wonder what is Garleans view on other races?

Do they have them? Because so far they all look Hyur to me.

Rhostel · **06-17-2013, 10:57 PM**

(06-17-2013, 10:42 PM)Stalkingrike Wrote: Do they have them? Because so far they all look Hyur to me.

Nael Van Darnus was an Elezen. One of the new fancy Garleans (they're not Legati, but I forget what their rank was named) hanging out with Gaius Van Baelsar is clearly a Roegadyn.

Uther · **06-17-2013, 11:10 PM**

(06-17-2013, 10:42 PM)Stalkingrike Wrote: Man that kid is going to have one messed up family tree.

You have no idea. Great fan fiction stuff in the works.Â Laugh

But I don't mean to get the thread off topic. Back to what you were saying...

Grike · **06-17-2013, 11:26 PM**

(06-17-2013, 10:42 PM)Stalkingrike Wrote:
(06-17-2013, 10:23 PM)Uther Wrote: Uther was raised by a half-breed Hyur, so he was taught to respect all other races. That being said, he isÂ from Ishgard which is a pretty backward place, so he has a few weird quirks when it comes to race.

Being very knightly and classically chivalrous, Uther can't really relate to the Keepers of the Moon's matriarchal society. This isn't because he belittles women, his sister is as strong and fast as he is. It's just not how the roles work in his culture. At the same time, he also doesn't understand the Seeker of the Sun tradition of one male taking many female mates. He very much believes in strong, mutual dedication between two partners. He doesn't belittle Lalafells either (pun intended...), but he will assume they are scholarly and physically inept upon first meeting them. On the other side of the coin though, when he meets a Lalafell with great combat prowess he is doubly impressed.

As for attraction, Uther tends to be attracted to Elezen females for their elegant form and mannerisms. He has also been attracted to Midlander women and rarely he'll be attracted to a Miqo'te or two, but not often. He shies away from Roegadyn females because of his sense of roles (which was discussed by Rock earlier), and Lalafell females because... well he's a grown man and that's gross.

Really though, he's cool with all races for the most-part. He even has a son (that he doesn't know about) who is 1/8th Highlander, 3/8ths Midlander, 1/4th Duskwight, and 1/4th Wildwood, if that's any indicator.

It's important to keep in mind that for most people Eorzea is a melting pot and racial tension is pretty low.

For purposes of avoiding confusion, I'll add this in:

Skald Skystrider (1/2 Midlander, 1/2 Highlander) and his wife (Midlander) gave birth to Uther Skystrider (1/4 Highlander, 3/4 Midlander). Uther had a child with Igraine Jevoux (1/2 Duskwight, 1/2 Wildwood). The child was Bedivere Windborne (1/8 Highlander, 3/8 Midlander, 1/4 Duskwight, 1/4 Wildwood)..... The kid probably looks like a freakÂ

Man that kid is going to have one messed up family tree. Though you are right about the melting pot thing which actually makes me wonder what is Garleans view on other races?

Do they have them? Because so far they all look Hyur to me.

(06-17-2013, 11:10 PM)Uther Wrote:
(06-17-2013, 10:42 PM)Stalkingrike Wrote: Man that kid is going to have one messed up family tree.

You have no idea. Great fan fiction story in the works.Â

But I don't mean to get the thread off topic. Back to what you were saying...

Actually something just occurred to me. Is Eorzea a perfectly melted stew or are their a few chunky bits in that pot? You actually see some of it in the City States. In Uld'ah all the 'dancers' were mostly female Miqo'te which I bet are as sought after as Asari in Mass Effect. Also Lalafells seemed to hold higher positions in Ul'dah while the Elezen seemed more prominent in Gridania (haven't been to the other one yet.)

And what about stereotypes? Like say Miqo'te are believed to be better suited for whore houses because of their appearance and promiscuous culture. Lalafell might be viewed as cheapskates and swindlers. Elezen are a bunch of uppity tree huggers. The Hyur think they rule the world just because they breed like rats, while the...crap forgot the name (Sea wolves and Hellsguard) are nothing but a bunch of giant dumb brutes.Â

Heh, stereotyping is fun.

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