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Dameon · **08-09-2013, 03:25 PM**

This question came up sort of as a joke on NeoGaf, but it kind of made me think.

Will Final Fantasy: A Realm Reborn allow same sex in game marriage?

As far as I know they haven't allowed this in any other MMO, the closest I can think of is the same sex npc romances in SW:ToR that were in a single mission string with only one potential same sex NPC.

Kari Illderthane · **08-09-2013, 03:29 PM**

The marriage system is actually old news but I did find this article on Kotaku.

Quote:
Quote:We previously released a screenshot of a sanctum in the woods.
So when the era came to an end, something happened that led to the sanctum being rediscovered. So what is this place for? Well, in creating a world, we wanted put anything in it that is close to reality. Marriage is one of those things. That's why we built the sanctumâ€”so that characters and players can get married. The system for weddingsâ€”proper services and suchâ€”might not be available right from the beginning. It'll most likely be added in a patch. However, we've already prepared a place for it.
As for same-sex marriage, this is an extremely controversial topic that has been under discussion in the MMO world for the past few years. First we would like to start out with opposite-sex marriage, and then consider the feedback from our players in order to make a careful decision. I can't say whether or not it will be possible at this point in time. I'd like to keep dialog open with our players as we deliberate the matter.

Naunet · **08-09-2013, 03:31 PM**

(08-09-2013, 03:25 PM)Dameon Wrote: As far as I know they haven't allowed this in any other MMO, the closest I can think of is the same sex npc romances in SW:ToR that were in a single mission string with only one potential same sex NPC.

When Rift implemented its marriage system, it came out of the gate with zero restrictions on who you could marry. Squee seems to be of the mind that putting a marriage system in place with no gender restrictions will somehow offend people, but honestly? No one raged at Trion when they did it - and in fact, it was celebrated. The most news-worthy part of Rift's marriage system was the world record they set for most online marriages in a single day (which I happily took part in!).

So yeah, to answer the question: No, Squee is not going to be allowing same sex marriages in ARR. Is it absolutely, utterly stupid? Yes. But there it is.

Myxie Tryxle · **08-09-2013, 03:32 PM**

Same sex marriage is less progressive in Japan than the United States, so probably not. They actually have a law that is worded that marriage is between a man and a woman, though they will acknowledge a same-sex marriage if it occurs with a foreigner in a foreign country.

Eve Malusion · **08-09-2013, 03:33 PM**

Someone else posted it when I was in the posting thing looking it up. What they said.

Moltove · **08-09-2013, 03:34 PM**

Yoshi P stated he was going to look into it, but lead off with straight marriage.

I think it's more or less a double-edged sword: Bad publicity for not letting gay marriage in game (though it's currently the standard in gaming) and bad publicity and griefers for allowing it. There's been games where the players DEMANDED it and then the company got assaulted by all the people against it.

Salty Lake · **08-09-2013, 03:35 PM**

(08-09-2013, 03:31 PM)Naunet Wrote:
(08-09-2013, 03:25 PM)Dameon Wrote: As far as I know they haven't allowed this in any other MMO, the closest I can think of is the same sex npc romances in SW:ToR that were in a single mission string with only one potential same sex NPC.

When Rift implemented its marriage system, it came out of the gate with zero restrictions on who you could marry. Squee seems to be of the mind that putting a marriage system in place with no gender restrictions will somehow offend people, but honestly? No one raged at Trion when they did it - and in fact, it was celebrated. The most news-worthy part of Rift's marriage system was the world record they set for most online marriages in a single day (which I happily took part in!).

So yeah, to answer the question: No, Squee is not going to be allowing same sex marriages in ARR. Is it absolutely, utterly stupid? Yes. But there it is.

Time for some IC protests. Â Laugh

Naunet · **08-09-2013, 03:37 PM**

(08-09-2013, 03:34 PM)Moltove Wrote: bad publicity and griefers for allowing it. There's been games where the players DEMANDED it and then the company got assaulted by all the people against it.

What game? Because Trion didn't get any notable flack for not including gender restrictions in their marriage system for Rift. And they were incredibly open about what was going to happen (pointed it out in their little advert video and everything).

(08-09-2013, 03:35 PM)Lake Desire Wrote: Time for some IC protests. Â

I would be all over this - IC and OOC.

Felix Sideris · **08-09-2013, 03:43 PM**

(08-09-2013, 03:31 PM)Naunet Wrote:
(08-09-2013, 03:25 PM)Dameon Wrote: As far as I know they haven't allowed this in any other MMO, the closest I can think of is the same sex npc romances in SW:ToR that were in a single mission string with only one potential same sex NPC.

When Rift implemented its marriage system, it came out of the gate with zero restrictions on who you could marry. Squee seems to be of the mind that putting a marriage system in place with no gender restrictions will somehow offend people, but honestly? No one raged at Trion when they did it - and in fact, it was celebrated. The most news-worthy part of Rift's marriage system was the world record they set for most online marriages in a single day (which I happily took part in!).

So yeah, to answer the question: No, Squee is not going to be allowing same sex marriages in ARR. Is it absolutely, utterly stupid? Yes. But there it is.

You need to remember that the United States is FAR ahead of other countries in terms of accepting homosexuality. Japanese society, as far as what I can tell off of other threads/sites that have talked about this topic, does not accept it as openly. This game is world-wide and thus they need to take into account the customs and socially accepted ways of each country their game goes into. Let's say for example(this is hypothetical)Â Germany was extremely against homosexuality. If they released that on the game, it -could- offend a large part part of the German player base.Â

The chance of offending people is relatively low, but square enix seems to be concerned with -all- of their players, not just the majority. At this point in time they have far more important things to handle than dealing with such a controversial topic, and so the safest thing to do is exactly what they will be doing.Â

It is better to not release it initially and then add it in upon majority player-base request than to add it in and offend some of your players.

I applaud them for their caution about it, because it -is- sensitive to some people, and while I won't argue in either direction for it, I think their decision is appropriate considering the struggles that FFXIV has gone through and the effort they have put into reviving this game into something as amazing as it now is.

Also, a large majority of the player base that wants it added, or would argue against it, would likely be Role Players, which is usually the smallest community in an MMO in comparison to PvE and PvP players.

So, with all that said, I'd say lets sit back and enjoy the game and not get wrapped up in such a controversial topic about a small addition they added into the game. Eventually it will, or will not, be changed based upon the responses they get from the community. They have pretty much promised that.

Magellan · **08-09-2013, 03:43 PM**

The frustrating thing is, if we canon this decision, which I'm sure many people will, suddenly Eorzea becomes a world where same-sex relationships are frowned upon.

... and that makes me a very sad panda ;_;

CrimsonMars · **08-09-2013, 03:43 PM**

Would it matter though? Even if they don't allow gay marriage officially, we can always 'role-play' it out, should we do have gay lovers, can we?

Would actual marriage provide some sort of bonuses?

Naunet · **08-09-2013, 03:54 PM**

(08-09-2013, 03:43 PM)Felix Sideris Wrote: It is better to not release it initially and then add it in upon majority player-base request than to add it in and offend some of your players.

I disagree completely. The best course of action is to present marriage with no restrictions and treat it as completely normal. Don't make a fuss about it. Just do it. Nobody's going to seriously get in a tizzy over a lack of gender restrictions in marriage in a video game. The ones that do are generally groups that don't play video games anyway (like ultra conservative groups in NA - who, by the way, didn't kick up one bit of fuss with Rift, which is also a global game).

Clover · **08-09-2013, 03:58 PM**

(08-09-2013, 03:35 PM)Lake Desire Wrote: Time for some IC protests. Â

Haha, this. At least this will bring some interesting stories.
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Also, if such marriages aren't allowed, does that mean that homosexuality isn't well seen by hyurs or any other race that has a marriage system? I guess the lore doesn't really state anything about this, but it'd be good to figure out in order to determine how shocked or passively our characters will react.

I know that my Miqo'te's Hipparion tribe has a rule that allows it, so she'd see it as a very normal thing.

Magellan · **08-09-2013, 03:59 PM**

(08-09-2013, 03:43 PM)CrimsonMars Wrote: Would it matter though? Even if they don't allow gay marriage officially, we can always 'role-play' it out, should we do have gay lovers, can we?

Would actual marriage provide some sort of bonuses?

Several mmos do give bonuses to couples with their marriage system, yes. As far as the RP goes... if the game doesn't allow same-sex marriage, many will take that as lore, therefore preventing our characters from same-sex marriage as well.

And I also disagree with Felix =p. Respectfully, of course.

Naunet · **08-09-2013, 04:03 PM**

(08-09-2013, 03:58 PM)Clover Wrote: Also, if such marriages aren't allowed, does that mean that homosexuality isn't well seen by hyurs or any other race that has a marriage system? I guess the lore doesn't really state anything about this, but it'd be good to figure out in order to determine how shocked or passively our characters will react.

I know that my Miqo'te's Hipparion tribe has a rule that allows it, so she'd see it as a very normal thing.

I recall seeing a quote from Yoshi-P (or maybe it was from that official lore guy on the lore forums) where it was stated that there really aren't any gender discriminations when it comes to romantic relationships in Eorzea.

Which makes the marriage system being hetero-only even more ridiculous. Squee needs to put their grown-up pants on and actually take a stand that they clearly want to take but are too chicken to do so.

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