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Melodia · **01-07-2015, 12:54 PM**

I was thinking that in our world we have like, professional conventions to exchange ideas and information.

I was thinking I'd like to organize such a convention in Limsa as an event, with the various RP'ers who play in law enforcement in one form or another, or generally interested citizens who might want to learn something or those that may want to join. Smile

Â Let me know if there would be any interest in this.

Warren Castille · **01-07-2015, 12:56 PM**

Could be interesting. Will lurk this thread.

Dogberry · **01-07-2015, 12:57 PM**

Yes. Let's do this.

Berrod Armstrong · **01-07-2015, 01:06 PM**

*prepares his bribing money and dastardly dames*
I don't have any cops, but it can be a nice place to make connections...OF THE LEGAL VARIETY.

Melodia · **01-07-2015, 01:07 PM**

I was thinking of that as well.....would be a fun venue for shenanigans Wink

Inessa Hara · **01-07-2015, 03:13 PM**

Actually, to be honest, I RP as a detective and I did read a bit of lore regarding law enforcement.

From RPing with law enforcement characters and being there for investigations/arrests/ect, this is what I generally get from those RP's.

Some Common Aspects They All Share

All offender's have the right's to remain silent. Any information they say can be used against them in court.
You are guilty till proven innocent. Often enough though, an arrest warrant cannot be issued without evidence that shows their guilt.
Officer's of the law have the right to temporarily detain anybody they suspect of criminal act's. This however is only allowable if the suspect is being detained for everyone's safety or if the subject has a criminal history. Arrest without the probable cause clause can result in punishment towards the officer's. (temporary is subject to different definitions based on location)

Anyway's, I would be interested in going to the event. Would be nice to set law standard's for RP.

PS: We should probably get an IC criminal database going. Would be nice to know who has broken the law ICly before and got caught.

Hyrist · **01-07-2015, 07:28 PM**

I don't think this will work At all, due to the largely variant ways each nation deals with its criminals.

Those who break Woods Law are often put to the spear or banished entirely.Â

Ul'dah system is corrupt with the legal matters splitered between Brass Blades, Flames, and the Sultansworn who all seem to handle crime in their own manner.

And well, depending on the crime, anything from Jail to swift pirate assassination from the Rogue's Guild is given.

When you have so many methods of law enforcement, and you attempt to create an 'official' source of law in RP, it can very quickly go downhill on an OOC level.

It is difficult to maintain civilly working law enforcement RP even within fully free-form RP environments, and typically those sort of components are handled by the individual Storytellers and group leadership for the sake of keeping a concise story within that group. Expanding it beyond that, in my twenty year tenure as a roleplayer from tabletop to online, often ends up souring communities quickly, in spite of multiple claims to be the 'exception' to the statement. I've seen it, many times before, and unfortunately its never pretty.

It's ok for individual components, in my experience, but big groups have never worked. It most often breaches the consent line for the sake of continuity, and it stands firmly in the grey area of 'authority' within any roleplaying community.

I'd rather that not happen here. I can't recommend it. It's nothing against anyone here, but I've seen it too many times. This is one of those areas of RP in open groups that you just don't tread upon.

Berrod Armstrong · **01-07-2015, 08:19 PM**

(01-07-2015, 12:54 PM)Melodia Wrote: I was thinking that in our world we have like, professional conventions to exchange ideas and information.

I was thinking I'd like to organize such a convention in Limsa as an event, with the various RP'ers who play in law enforcement in one form or another, or generally interested citizens who might want to learn something or those that may want to join. Â Let me know if there would be any interest in this.

(01-07-2015, 07:28 PM)Hyrist Wrote: I don't think this will work At all, due to the largely variant ways each nation deals with its criminals.

Those who break Woods Law are often put to the spear or banished entirely.Â

Ul'dah system is corrupt with the legal matters splitered between Brass Blades, Flames, and the Sultansworn who all seem to handle crime in their own manner.

And well, depending on the crime, anything from Jail to swift pirate assassination from the Rogue's Guild is given.

When you have so many methods of law enforcement, and you attempt to create an 'official' source of law in RP, it can very quickly go downhill on an OOC level.

It is difficult to maintain civilly working law enforcement RP even within fully free-form RP environments, and typically those sort of components are handled by the individual Storytellers and group leadership for the sake of keeping a concise story within that group. Expanding it beyond that, in my twenty year tenure as a roleplayer from tabletop to online, often ends up souring communities quickly, in spite of multiple claims to be the 'exception' to the statement. I've seen it, many times before, and unfortunately its never pretty.

It's ok for individual components, in my experience, but big groups have never worked. It most often breaches the consent line for the sake of continuity, and it stands firmly in the grey area of 'authority' within any roleplaying community.

I'd rather that not happen here. I can't recommend it. It's nothing against anyone here, but I've seen it too many times. This is one of those areas of RP in open groups that you just don't tread upon.

Overthinking, I think! See the bolded bit for relevance. The law enforcement people exchanging ideas and information...doesn't really have a thing to do with what you're talking about here. It's just cops gathering, exchanging ideas, and trading information. That's it, really. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. No doom and gloom. Just cops. Talkin'.

Melkire · **01-07-2015, 08:21 PM**

(01-07-2015, 08:19 PM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote:
(01-07-2015, 12:54 PM)Melodia Wrote: I was thinking that in our world we have like, professional conventions to exchange ideas and information.

I was thinking I'd like to organize such a convention in Limsa as an event, with the various RP'ers who play in law enforcement in one form or another, or generally interested citizens who might want to learn something or those that may want to join. Â Let me know if there would be any interest in this.

(01-07-2015, 07:28 PM)Hyrist Wrote: I don't think this will work At all, due to the largely variant ways each nation deals with its criminals.

Those who break Woods Law are often put to the spear or banished entirely.Â

Ul'dah system is corrupt with the legal matters splitered between Brass Blades, Flames, and the Sultansworn who all seem to handle crime in their own manner.

And well, depending on the crime, anything from Jail to swift pirate assassination from the Rogue's Guild is given.

When you have so many methods of law enforcement, and you attempt to create an 'official' source of law in RP, it can very quickly go downhill on an OOC level.

It is difficult to maintain civilly working law enforcement RP even within fully free-form RP environments, and typically those sort of components are handled by the individual Storytellers and group leadership for the sake of keeping a concise story within that group. Expanding it beyond that, in my twenty year tenure as a roleplayer from tabletop to online, often ends up souring communities quickly, in spite of multiple claims to be the 'exception' to the statement. I've seen it, many times before, and unfortunately its never pretty.

It's ok for individual components, in my experience, but big groups have never worked. It most often breaches the consent line for the sake of continuity, and it stands firmly in the grey area of 'authority' within any roleplaying community.

I'd rather that not happen here. I can't recommend it. It's nothing against anyone here, but I've seen it too many times. This is one of those areas of RP in open groups that you just don't tread upon.
Overthinking, I think! See the bolded bit for relevance. The law enforcement people exchanging ideas and information...doesn't really have a thing to do with what you're talking about here. It's just cops gathering, exchanging ideas, and trading information. That's it, really. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. No doom and gloom. Just cops. Talkin'.

Â
Eorzea has no donuts. We have coffee but no donuts.

I expect the convention to be full of grumpy sourpusses. I also expect at least one brawl.

Aya · **01-07-2015, 08:37 PM**

(01-07-2015, 08:21 PM)Melkire Wrote: Eorzea has no donuts. We have coffee but no donuts.

I expect the convention to be full of grumpy sourpusses. I also expect at least one brawl.

You could always hire Aya to bring cookies!

Melodia · **01-08-2015, 12:37 PM**

If this were to happen I would never expect full agreement or hugs among the various groups. I appreciate the difference....I love the differences. There's even variances within each faction that I enjoy. When Natalie was still around, I know her and Coatleque didn't see eye to eye, as I am sure other Yellowjackets would frown on the way that Melodia deals with people. And I know the Blades would not likely see things as those in the Shroud see it. That's what makes an idea like this fun.

And yes....I expect Aya and cookies.

And a brawl.

Two of them. At least. Cactuar

Aaron · **01-08-2015, 12:43 PM**

A brawl you say?

Perfect timing for a brawlyscrawl

I'm so sorry.

Melodia · **01-08-2015, 12:53 PM**

(01-08-2015, 12:43 PM)Aaron Wrote: A brawl you say?

Perfect timing for a brawlyscrawl

I'm so sorry.

LOL! No regrets! Smile

Coatleque · **01-08-2015, 12:55 PM**

So long as people keep in mind that the Sultansworn are not law enforcement (even though a few of them seem to be overzealous about arresting 'alleged' criminals).

While the Blades can get away with the whole "guilty until proven innocent", a Paladin should be thinking the opposite and never act without just cause.

Melodia · **01-08-2015, 01:04 PM**

(01-08-2015, 12:55 PM)Coatleque Wrote: So long as people keep in mind that the Sultansworn are not law enforcement (even though a few of them seem to be overzealous about arresting 'alleged' criminals).

While the Blades can get away with the whole "guilty until proven innocent", a Paladin should be thinking the opposite and never act without just cause.

*Arrests Coatleque............................with Ruru.*

Tongue

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