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Aduu Avagnar · **01-09-2015, 06:01 PM**

I was reading the Public Service Announcement thread in the Tonberrys Lantern and read natalies post, and it got me thinking. Do the citizenry of Ul'dah have rights as enshrined in a document such as a Bill of Rights or Magna Carta?

discuss.

Parvacake · **01-09-2015, 06:03 PM**

I think they might have what one would consider their basic and humane rights as people...but outside of that? No idea.

Considering what happened in 2.4, at least in Ul'dah, the dissolution of the Sultanate (if it happens this patch) might have that brought up.

Aaron · **01-09-2015, 06:06 PM**

All these public service announcements.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE ANYMORE

Gegenji · **01-09-2015, 06:12 PM**

(01-09-2015, 06:06 PM)Aaron Wrote: All these public service announcements.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE ANYMORE

That hugs are awesome.

Marisa · **01-09-2015, 06:23 PM**

Well, firstly we need to establish the difference between a right and a privilege. Many see the difference as semantic, but privileges are things your government gives you because it feels you should have them. The idea behind a right is that they are given by god (or in this case, the Twelve), and that the government cannot grant them, it can merely protect them. By that same reasoning, it cannot lawfully take them away. Â

What we know of Ul'dah suggests that it firstly, it does not have citizens. It has subjects. Citizens are all equals. Ul'dahns are subjects to their lords and their monarch. The nobles of Ul'dah appear to have rights, but the commoners likely do not. Rather, they have whatever privileges the Sultanate and the council allow them. These can, most likely, be taken away at any point. Â

If, however, Nanamo successfully reforms Ul'dah into a Republic, then this would all change. Now I personally choose to serve an oppressive theocracy, so obviously my real-world morality does not carry over into Eorzea. However, from my OOC perspective, I do believe that the people of Ul'dah have a Twelve-given right to self-governance, and that it is Nanamo's responsibility as their leader to abolish both the monarchy and all forms of nobility.

Coatleque · **01-09-2015, 06:31 PM**

There are some things you should not try to read too far into.

Based on how primitive the lore panel has stated Eorzea to be, they probably have as many rights as a typical serf in feudal Europe.

McBeefâ„¢ · **01-09-2015, 06:33 PM**

HELL YEAH THEY DO.

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McBeefâ„¢ · **01-09-2015, 06:35 PM**

(01-09-2015, 06:31 PM)Coatleque Wrote: There are some things you should not try to read too far into.

Based on how primitive the lore panel has stated Eorzea to be, they probably have as many rights as a typical serf in feudal Europe.

WHAT WAS THAT?

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Kage · **01-09-2015, 06:38 PM**

(01-09-2015, 06:33 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: HELL YEAH THEY DO.

I'm not buying you dinner now.

I personally don't think that there really are many Ul'dahn citizens. Residents? Yes. Citizens? Well some of those sociology classes I took for GEs stuck with me.

Many RPers aren't participating in a civic duty. They don't have juries. Not many of them are in the Immortal Flames. There's certainly not many Brass Blades. Do I consider Sultansworns part of it? Hmm... maybe.

Do residents have rights? They have just about the basics. Crimes committed against them are still crimes. Do they have the -privileges- that citizens receive?

Well what can one do? Can't vote. Can't influence the law.

Aya · **01-09-2015, 06:43 PM**

I doubt the idea of "rights" is one that the denizens of Eorzea regularly traffic in.

Ul'dah has "The Law", which is unlikely to provide equal protection, but does offer some protection to the common people, and even refugees. This is not the same as Rights.

Limsa Lominsa, I would imagine, has the most modern concept of Rights.Â Pirate crews traditionally functioned as murderous democracies, and the rights of crew to their share, and their say over who the captain is, would most likely play into the Limsan concept of politics and order.Â Still, one does what the Captain says, and the routes to redress are limited.

Gridania strikes me, somewhat ironically given how its portrayed, as the most "repressive" of the city-states.Â Being so easily victimized by the Twelveswood and the Elementals certainly has a lot to do with this: we do what the Seedseers say, because they are the seedseers.Â There's not much else to it (except for a healthy dose of rather rational xenophobia tossed on top).

**Unnamed Mercenary** · **01-09-2015, 06:47 PM**

Everyone should just bow down to the Garleans. Then they'd have rights. ...as long as the rules were followed.

Aaron · **01-09-2015, 06:49 PM**

I feel Kobolds ruling would be funny.

Roen · **01-09-2015, 06:56 PM**

I'd also like to point out that those Public Service Announcements are pure propaganda advertisements, not official statements of any official organizations.

It all began with the first PSA which was a sponsored advertisement.

Gegenji · **01-09-2015, 06:58 PM**

H-hugs aren't propaganda, Roen. Cry

Jana · **01-09-2015, 07:02 PM**

YES THEY DO, THEY SERVE THE PURPOSES OF THE HUG AGENDA.

It's up to Jana to stand up for the personal space of all!

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