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RE: The Usage of Future Tense - Warren Castille - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 02:55 AM)Foxberry Wrote: As for the forums; it was a lot of shiposting and cliquish crap.
Let's be honest with ourselves: This hasn't changed since 1997.
RE: The Usage of Future Tense - Val - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 02:55 AM)Foxberry Wrote:(09-21-2015, 10:38 PM)Val Wrote:(09-21-2015, 10:31 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:(09-21-2015, 09:21 PM)Foxberry Wrote: Nah, you are correct Freelance. We used 'Autoing' in Ayenee (Yahoo chats) back mid 90's. (We as in Ayenee players)
It is a 'change of the times' sort of thing. Autoing was an 'automatic hit' vs god-moding which was as Freelance said; "Undefeatable super character".
So it's really just a matter of where you came from, what your background is, and how long you've rped. I've used autoing for many, many years. I still consider 'god moding' as something as having a hyper-fantastical character.
This doesn't make these terms wrong. It just means well... You're old. Haha. So like Freelance I fall into the "I am old" camp. And just to edit on; these terms are super subjective. What may be 'godmoding' to one person is something else to another. Again, this isn't to say that one is right or the other is not. Just where you come from.
That term must have gone out of style by the time I was in Ayenee (I didn't have internet or a computer in the mid-90s). Â I just remember godmodding from when I got there. Â TBH, I didn't find good RP until I moved on to text-based WoD settings and then later when I discovered NWN.
Idunno, I hit the scene around 97-99ish and it was still being used then, into the early 00s when it asploded. Granted, it was likely only used around particular circles then.
Yeah it was pretty prevalent till about 99? Man I started back 96' or so? Maybe 97'? I feel old. It was pretty 'gone' by the time early 00's came around mostly because they started closing down the servers- Yahoo that is. Earlier 90's it was good rp if you found yourself in a decent guild; very nice people etc. Minimal drama but then... Like Rome it all crashed lol. We used to mentor people back then, I think by the time 00's hit there were little to no people mentoring. It was a different time- and thus I am now old as fuck.
I miss it though; it was a fun time. Like you said above, Liadan; there was a lot to be found there. There was also various forms of combat, T1/T2 etc a lot of these terms were defunct by the time 00's hit. Though at the same time- by that point it was long gone the days of yore as it were.
As for the forums; it was a lot of shiposting and cliquish crap. It's why I avoided them.
Yup yup. I knew some of the guys that helped form the whole T1/T2/T3 thing. Some were good people, some were pricks. T1 was basically what we use now, T2 was based around the fastest typer wins, and T3 was just full-on autos. As I said in an earlier post, back then people didn't RP combat so much as they used it as a status symbol to wave around. Looking back on it, I miss the time because there was a lot of great and fun RP, but then I think I'm just being blinded by nostalgia because really a lot of the RP I saw/did was shit. It wasn't until I got a bit more experience under my belt and moved on to other things that I started to grow.
And yeah, when they all moved to forums I bailed. It was awful.
RE: The Usage of Future Tense - Ignacius - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 03:08 AM)Foxberry Wrote:(09-22-2015, 03:00 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: I remember T1/T2 and I wanna say there was a T3 but it was iffy and a lot of people didn't recognize it. Â And yeah, Yahoo basically destroyed it by getting rid of the Arts & Entertainment section. Â They probably had good reason, as the entire place was like a Chris Hanson sting on steriods. Â There were sooooooooo many underaged people in there cybering left, right, and sideways with adults. Â In fact, I seem to recall someone ending up going to jail because their character was involved with a character played by a 13 year old.
Actually yes, I think there was a T3. As for the jail; I heard that as well- and I also heard that was the reason why the chats were closed. But such was rumor.
A lot of people missed the golden age of the Yahoo forums. Â It's kind of depressing. Â I ran the Hotel Auroria thread (the Volins thread) for between a year and two years pretty much daily. Â Generally with about 15 actual players in the room, sometimes more sometimes less. Â They were good times, though. Â A mulit-para RPers dream.
The death knell for a lot of us came with the posting limit. Â It must have been sometime in the 90s when the forums dropped from allowing what I think were about 700 characters in a post to about 150. Â It made setting up a scene almost impossible, and it really ruined the way you could edit your posts and type up the setting you wanted. Â This was probably six months after I'd ended the Auroria threads, but it's certainly what sent me to MMORPGs full time for my roleplaying needs.
But there were some glory days on the forums. Â I still remember a lot of those threads fondly. Â We ran a whole Shadowrun campaign without dice rolls, just freestyle RP. Â You could have Alucard inspired vampires having religious conversations with witch hunting priests. Â They were great times.
Once the line limit was cut to Hell and back, though, that pretty much disappeared. Â Then there was nothing but T-series fights (God knows that's all you had space for). Â When you're outside a game and the entire whole of your character and actions has to be written by you (since a game like FFXIV handles a lot of that for us), that text limit was outright murderous. Â I can't, to this day, figure out why they did it. Â It wasn't like the people who were doing the most damage on any of the IMers or forums were the ones who typed a lot.
But, such as it was. Â Where are the IM programs now, right?
RE: The Usage of Future Tense - Paradox - 09-22-2015
Back in the good old days of the HTML chatrooms which is where I made my legacy, places like Webmaze, DWBN, Chatropolis before they became an all porn chatsite, Chatlantis and Pairody's Palace, the way you fought was by calling your attacks more or less, and then the defender chose which hits to defend against. The method we used was that you got three attack actions and two defense actions, that way you were legally required to take a hit no matter what you used to defend yourself. This was basically how you prevented barriers or godmodding. You could call it auto hitting, but we referred to it as 'interrupt style' posting or fighting. the gist was, you called the effect of your hits, on the basis the hit landed.
This basically gave the defender the option of choosing which of the three hits they'd accept, and which two they'd block, or redirect, or whatever their abilities allowed them to do. The idea was that sometimes hits would combo into other hits, so you had to think ahead, observe your enemy's abilities, and make sure you chose the correct way to defend lest you end up making the wrong move. Fighting for us was much more like a dance of creative writing than anything, and I genuinely miss it because there was no bullshit. Everyone save a rare few played fair until the cliques got really bad around the early 2000s. We didn't use the T1/T2 etc names for it, we had our own terms. Much of it was WoD stuff, but it was also custom or D&D mixed in too, even some WH40k, but it was all freeform fighting.
Another thing back in our day was, there were few safe zones; basically if you were out and roleplaying, and someone wanted to fight, you responded. And there was no permission needed to kill you either. You basically had to git gud, or if someone or their clan held a grudge on your character it was a conga line of asswhoopin. Still, we managed to keep it really civilized for as chaotic as it was. It was a golden age from 1996 to 2004, then it started to turn to shit with people controlling a bunch of things and a lot of the old vets leaving. But yeah, we had all type of tenses in our RP, future, past, present, various X-person point of views. For us it was all good as long as everyone was having fun, and there was way more combat Rp than anything, which is what I came to enjoy. On a side note that's why it's so hard to adjust to the RP combat community for myself in this game because A: it's small the amount of people who enjoy martial conflict at its finest, and B: it's mostly dice-rollers to make it 'fair' or 'you can't fight me without permission' players who kinda live in this magical no face-punching bubble.
But man, yeah, speedposting, goddamn. I remember those days. I never got involved in 'the fastest typer wins' fights, cos the places I played were super cereal multi para heavy detail grimdark WoD RP places. Kinda regret I never got to experience it. Heh.
RE: The Usage of Future Tense - Fox - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 07:44 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:(09-22-2015, 02:55 AM)Foxberry Wrote: As for the forums; it was a lot of shiposting and cliquish crap.
Let's be honest with ourselves: This hasn't changed since 1997.
Never said that it hasn't changed.
Just why I avoided their forums. There are communities that are worse than others; and that forum- after Ayenee collapsed got very very shitposty.
I think what I liked most out of the place was that it was so varied. There were so many types of rps. Anything from High Fantasy to Cyberpunk, to stuff like Star Wars and Magical Girls. People co-existed pretty nicely but it did die out. I actually met my IRL S.O. from a bar he ran. Been dating him since 02' live with him now.
RE: The Usage of Future Tense - LiadansWhisper - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 06:32 PM)Foxberry Wrote: Never said that it hasn't changed.
There are communities that are worse than others; and that forum- after Ayenee collapsed got very very shitposty.
I think what I liked most out of the place was that it was so varied. There were so many types of rps. Anything from High Fantasy to Cyberpunk, to stuff like Star Wars and Magical Girls. People co-existed pretty nicely but it did die out. I actually met my IRL S.O. from a bar he ran. Been dating him since 02' live with him now.
It was very different. Â You could walk into a bar and there would be Werewolves from Werewolf: the Apocalypse, Castlevania vampires, Super Saiyans, characters from Final Fantasy games, Drizzt Do'urdin, homebrew characters that had no relation to any established setting, etc, all in the same room having random conversations. Â No one questioned anyone else, and most people had 6-7 characters at any one time. Â People often played their own relatives, etc.
RE: The Usage of Future Tense - Fox - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 08:04 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: [quote=Foxberry pid=213787 dateline=1442961146]
It was very different. Â You could walk into a bar and there would be Werewolves from Werewolf: the Apocalypse, Castlevania vampires, Super Saiyans, characters from Final Fantasy games, Drizzt Do'urdin, homebrew characters that had no relation to any established setting, etc, all in the same room having random conversations. Â No one questioned anyone else, and most people had 6-7 characters at any one time. Â People often played their own relatives, etc.
Yeah. A friend of mine and I played a Dune story arc once; where the characters were transported accidentally to Ayenee through an experiment with Spice. His character was Harkkonen and mine one of the scientists. We started a huge brawl in the middle of this tavern and people didn't pay it much mind since it was a "Oh so there's another bar fight with scifi characters." It was pretty amusing really.
No one questioned as you said, and people were interested in the story rather than who played what. I used to play relatives, but later on it got to the point where it was frowned on.
RE: The Usage of Future Tense - Ignacius - 09-23-2015
(09-22-2015, 08:04 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:(09-22-2015, 06:32 PM)Foxberry Wrote: Never said that it hasn't changed.
There are communities that are worse than others; and that forum- after Ayenee collapsed got very very shitposty.
I think what I liked most out of the place was that it was so varied. There were so many types of rps. Anything from High Fantasy to Cyberpunk, to stuff like Star Wars and Magical Girls. People co-existed pretty nicely but it did die out. I actually met my IRL S.O. from a bar he ran. Been dating him since 02' live with him now.
It was very different. Â You could walk into a bar and there would be Werewolves from Werewolf: the Apocalypse, Castlevania vampires, Super Saiyans, characters from Final Fantasy games, Drizzt Do'urdin, homebrew characters that had no relation to any established setting, etc, all in the same room having random conversations. Â No one questioned anyone else, and most people had 6-7 characters at any one time. Â People often played their own relatives, etc.
The place where your sword-wielding knight of Hell could talk politics with a chromed up street samurai in a darkened tavern built into a tree.
It's why I've never had it in me to really be a lore nazi. Â We learned a whole different type or RP tolerance if you didn't want to miss meeting awesome people.
Plus, by the end of the conversation, you'd make a drone rigger and he'd make a black-robed sorcerer so you could run in each others' dedicated threads.
Foxberry
(09-22-2015, 08:04 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:(09-22-2015, 06:32 PM)Foxberry Wrote: It was very different. Â You could walk into a bar and there would be Werewolves from Werewolf: the Apocalypse, Castlevania vampires, Super Saiyans, characters from Final Fantasy games, Drizzt Do'urdin, homebrew characters that had no relation to any established setting, etc, all in the same room having random conversations. Â No one questioned anyone else, and most people had 6-7 characters at any one time. Â People often played their own relatives, etc.
Yeah. A friend of mine and I played a Dune story arc once; where the characters were transported accidentally to Ayenee through an experiment with Spice. His character was Harkkonen and mine one of the scientists. We started a huge brawl in the middle of this tavern and people didn't pay it much mind since it was a "Oh so there's another bar fight with scifi characters." It was pretty amusing really.Â
No one questioned as you said, and people were interested in the story rather than who played what. I used to play relatives, but later on it got to the point where it was frowned on.
Hell, I played WITH my real relatives! Â I can still RP with my brothers. Â The main sticking point is that we're older now. Â Back then, we'd get home from school, blitz our homework, and then hop online to run RP. Â These days, I sometimes have to work late into the evening. Â One of my brothers takes calls for the city police, so he works off-hours and takes a lot of overtime because he has two children now. Â The other is in the Air Force and has to continually take breaks so he can handle other business, especially since he's single and getting a bit disappointed by how hard it is to meet someone (he enlisted later in life and so he's working with a lot of 18 year olds rather than other people approaching 30). Â Right now, I'm the only one in FFXIV, certainly the only one with time to RP.
Luckily, my wife still plays and RPs with our FC.
RE: The Usage of Future Tense - Flashhelix - 09-23-2015
I would not roleplay with somebody who emotes like this
RE: The Usage of Future Tense - Val - 09-23-2015
(09-22-2015, 08:04 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:(09-22-2015, 06:32 PM)Foxberry Wrote: Never said that it hasn't changed.
There are communities that are worse than others; and that forum- after Ayenee collapsed got very very shitposty.
I think what I liked most out of the place was that it was so varied. There were so many types of rps. Anything from High Fantasy to Cyberpunk, to stuff like Star Wars and Magical Girls. People co-existed pretty nicely but it did die out. I actually met my IRL S.O. from a bar he ran. Been dating him since 02' live with him now.
It was very different. Â You could walk into a bar and there would be Werewolves from Werewolf: the Apocalypse, Castlevania vampires, Super Saiyans, characters from Final Fantasy games, Drizzt Do'urdin, homebrew characters that had no relation to any established setting, etc, all in the same room having random conversations. Â No one questioned anyone else, and most people had 6-7 characters at any one time. Â People often played their own relatives, etc.
Like you both said, it was a pretty unique and wonderful thing to watch and observe. People just got along! Most of the time. If arguments did occur, more often than not it was taken to private and people that hated each other usually kept away from one another. And even then, with e erything so varied, a lot of them acted on a similar mindset. People could stand up/defend themselves against others so long as they had a good reason to say they did so.Â
I spent MOST of my time in an offshoot, sub-RP of Ayenee known as Nerima. I still talk to a few of the people from it.
RE: The Usage of Future Tense - Teadrinker - 09-23-2015
Pretty much boils down this:
If a person's writing style irritates you that much then don't RP with them. There is no "right" way to format roleplaying - only the ways you're familiar with.