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RE: Blood on the Sands Episodic rp event (Sign up here))(Under Construction)) - Aya - 07-15-2014

As sort of the instigator here I really want to say that I have never approached any of this with a sense of anger, or frustration.  I am not, nor have I been, upset with any of the players involved in this event, or this thread (except, perhaps, briefly with Mr. Osric (Evil Batman)).  I have never and would never suggest that PLAYERS should be shunned.  There's been at least one post that suggested that is what I was saying I would do, it is not!  I would not!

That the discussion has been, I think, level and generally calm is a testament to the RPC and the Balmung RP community in general.  I know that I've made a number of people angry, but I do hope you'll find yourselves able to understand where I have come from, and to forgive me eventually. 

My entire point has been to provide two things:
1) Askier a moment to pause and decide if he really wants the villains to be party to mass murder (which he does, though on a scale three to four orders of magnitude smaller than before).

2) The players who had characters on the villains side the opportunity to decide if they really wanted their characters to be party to such a crime, most of them being unaware that would be the IC cost of accepting a collar (and many, I believe, really wanting to just help the villain side to make the event interesting, a noble endeavor for those players Smile )


I think the appellation of "heartless" is quite unfair.  Compulsion is not a defense for murder, morally or legally.  There may be other extenuating circumstances (particularly that they were not directly involved in these murders), but the moral and legal equation at the bottom line is pretty clear (at least in the Western world).  There really hasn't been any argument presented to suggest that Ul'dahn legal or moral reasoning would be different in substance (at least to be less harsh in this case), so I don't know how those of us observing from the outside are supposed to have any different expectation. 


In terms of ignoring a particular character's RP, I just want to point out that if a random character came up to any of us saying: "I have just blown up a third of Gridania!  Tens of thousands of people dead!  The other thirds will blow up tonight, and you can't stop me, MWAHAHAHA!" the reaction of our characters would fall into two camps:

1) Completely ignoring
2) Believing that the character is MAD and treating him as such.

In neither case will the scenario he is describing be accepted as canon by our characters, regardless of how earnestly he intends it (and if this is not the case for someone out there, I have some characters for you to meet who will rock your world, baby!). 

My point in saying this is two fold.  First of all, it is an incredible testament to Askier et al. that if he said hundreds of thousands of civilians would die, we were discussing (mostly) the implications of it.  There was not much questioning of the validity of it (although there was some, it was polite).  That says good things about the weight of respect the community has for Askier and the others coordinating this plot.  Secondly, it shows what should have been obvious to everyone, but has been in something of dispute: we all control and limit what RP our characters accept as canon.  This should not be controversial.


I am happy that Askier has scaled back the death count, it makes plausible RP moving forward a little easier to imagine.  I would still have to see something awfully convincing to believe that any of the villain ringleaders (collared or not) could escape this at all, or for their henchmen to escape it unscathed, but at least it opens up significantly more room for suspension of belief.  

In what I hope is conclusion, I just want to say again (I keep repeating this because some people seem not to believe it for some reason) that everyone involved in this plot, and this thread, is terrific.  I did not mean to cause anyone to become upset at any point, and if you were I think its because you took something out of context (though the possibility remains that I said something stupid instead in which case I will apologize!), but I would gladly discuss that with anyone personally (and hopefully show you that I really am not mean, I'm not! Really!)

Good luck with the story and the character arcs Smile


I will at least continue to RP along with the arc with this event result, although I do not intend to take an active part in the future events (not because they're not amazingly well run, which they are, but because they take place on Saturday night).  This was one of the finest run large scale events I have ever seen, I have never before seen such spur-of-the-moment community involvement, and seen it integrated so seamlessly; I loved this event, it was only the afterwards-announced result of it that raised my eyebrow.

RE: Blood on the Sands Episodic rp event (Sign up here))(Under Construction)) - Gaspard - 07-15-2014

(07-15-2014, 11:17 AM)ExKage Wrote: ((I seriously need a law enforcement LS again because I left the old one because ICly the blades were getting lots of shunnnnns so I didn't see a point to it))

I'd be all for a Law enforcement LS  : D Count me in


RE: Blood on the Sands Episodic rp event (Sign up here))(Under Construction)) - Roen - 07-15-2014

Great post Askier! I admire your positive attitude in dealing with all the questions and issues that rose. You are a patient and wise man. With a lot of spelling errors. Sometimes. Big Grin

I too have complete faith that everyone who has been collared/non-collared, no matter what their involvement, will play out the aftermath accordingly. That's what I am sooo curious about! From Osric who attacked the defenders, to Kiht who tried to kill Osric, to Crofte who hasn't even gotten involved yet... (I know there are more of you, I just am not aware yet what happened to you all...)

Let the story play out! I am excited to see where this goes.

AND! I do love the fact that this mutual threat is bringing people together (Brass Blades working with Flames! Free Paladins being pulled to work with Sultansworns!) against a common threat. (even some "villains" are going to try and help Ul'Dah... o_O )

As for those who are not involved in this RP... it could just be as vague as "Yeah there's some tension in the air alright" to... "Shite, I am paying WHAT for this glass of water??" Up to every individual to take it as they will.

Keep up the good work, showrunners! Askier, Khan'a and Osric. Showrunners don't get thanked enough. Thumbsup

RE: Blood on the Sands Episodic rp event (Sign up here))(Under Construction)) - Unnamed Mercenary - 07-15-2014

(07-15-2014, 11:45 AM)Roen Wrote:  (even some "villains" are going to try and help Ul'Dah... o_O )

Time to make a new grouping: Villains Against [Crazier] Villains! 

Join the Unnamed Mercenary in taking down the people even crazier than he is! Just look for an axe stuck in a wall or something. He can't be too far off. (joke: unless Kage's being kidnapped again)

But in some seriousness, I'm still really looking forwards to how this all plays out. I apologize to anyone I might have offended when I got a little heated last night. /grovel

I'm eagerly anticipating seeing what's going to come back to bite Merc in the arse. (Besides feeling obligated to help Kage, of course)

RE: Blood on the Sands Episodic rp event (Sign up here))(Under Construction)) - Coatleque - 07-15-2014

I've heard that every time Crofte calls Jin'li "Master", a puppy gets punched in the face somewhere.

RE: Blood on the Sands Episodic rp event (Sign up here))(Under Construction)) - Unnamed Mercenary - 07-15-2014

(07-15-2014, 12:02 PM)Coatleque Wrote: I've heard that every time Crofte calls Jin'li "Master", a puppy gets punched in the face somewhere.
...for he is kind?

Those poor puppies :<

RE: Blood on the Sands Episodic rp event (Sign up here))(Under Construction)) - Whittledown - 07-15-2014

(07-15-2014, 12:02 PM)Coatleque Wrote: I've heard that every time Crofte calls Jin'li "Master", a puppy gets punched in the face somewhere.

Puppies being punched are worth it. *quietly starts shipping Crofte/Jin'li*

RE: Blood on the Sands Episodic rp event (Sign up here))(Under Construction)) - Askier - 07-15-2014

(07-15-2014, 12:05 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote:
(07-15-2014, 12:02 PM)Coatleque Wrote: I've heard that every time Crofte calls Jin'li "Master", a puppy gets punched in the face somewhere.
...for he is kind?

Those poor puppies :<

He is ever so kind. Big Grin

And polite...

And crazy...

And a hater of puppies....

RE: Blood on the Sands Episodic rp event (Sign up here))(Under Construction)) - Melodia - 07-15-2014

(07-15-2014, 12:11 PM)Askier Wrote:
(07-15-2014, 12:05 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote:
(07-15-2014, 12:02 PM)Coatleque Wrote: I've heard that every time Crofte calls Jin'li "Master", a puppy gets punched in the face somewhere.
...for he is kind?

Those poor puppies :<

He is ever so kind. Big Grin

And polite...

And crazy...

And a hater of puppies....
But he let Crofte save Ruru. Big Grin


*Ruru puts on foam finger with "Jin'li #1"*

RE: Blood on the Sands Episodic rp event (Sign up here))(Under Construction)) - Kage - 07-15-2014

(07-15-2014, 11:45 AM)Gaspard Wrote:
(07-15-2014, 11:17 AM)ExKage Wrote: ((I seriously need a law enforcement LS again because I left the old one because ICly the blades were getting lots of shunnnnns so I didn't see a point to it))
I'd be all for a Law enforcement LS : D Count me in

Once my character worked awhile, he swore... and he used to be Sultansworn. Until current plots ish.

There is an Immortal Flames LS which Kage was invited to by one he respected when he was inducted but he then left recently because he was feeling the IC tensions of those against Brass Blades in which he was/is a part of (and myself OOCly because of aforementioned IC reasons)

Perhaps because of this event more will have joined or will rejoin it or brand new ones made etc.



I think that perhaps scaling the poison toll will be much easier for all in the community to be able to accept some things. I always just assumed it was hundreds, and even that it's a pretty big death toll to swallow for those in the know. For others, hundreds in a big city-state like Ul'dah seems pretty ok to write off as murders and accidents and whatnot.

I know when I RPd about the event I've taken to Rping it in ways that still allow people to either ask me OOCly or decide that it can easily be disregarded. Then again, my character only had to be around 4 others so he wasn't in anything large scale, so it's something that could be written as a Amalj'aa attack, mobs, etc. Usually vaguely like "It's about recent events" so that people are allowed to go about their own RP if they wish.

RE: Blood on the Sands Episodic rp event (Sign up here))(Under Construction)) - Erik Mynhier - 07-15-2014

FYI I have regained control of the "The Immortal Flames" LS and can now add and drop people as needed. It's original purpose was as a law enforcement for Ul'dah LS, anyone rpings as a Sultansworn, Brass Blade, Stone Tourch, Flame, government official, or contractor was welcomed. I interned to return it to this purpose again in the coming weeks. Care to join it Kage? Or anyone else?

RE: Blood on the Sands Episodic rp event (Sign up here))(Under Construction)) - Gaspard - 07-15-2014

I'm in, as Gaspard works as a sort of Private Investigator / Private eye

RE: Blood on the Sands Episodic rp event (Sign up here))(Under Construction)) - Melkire - 07-15-2014

(07-15-2014, 07:12 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote: FYI I have regained control of the "The Immortal Flames" LS and can now add and drop people as needed. It's original purpose was as a law enforcement for Ul'dah LS, anyone rpings as a Sultansworn, Brass Blade, Stone Tourch, Flame, government official, or contractor was welcomed. I interned to return it to this purpose again in the coming weeks. Care to join it Kage? Or anyone else?

I've always been confused as to why it'd been called "The Immortal Flames LS" when it encompasses more than just that particular branch of service. This occasionally causes some issues when said branches work at cross-purposes.  

I know Coatleque put together an LS specifically for Sultansworn (with high-ranking Flames getting pearls for ease of coordination). Could we not do the same for each service, then have an umbrella LS that not only encompasses all of them but also brings in inspectors/private investigators like Gaspard?

RE: Blood on the Sands Episodic rp event (Sign up here))(Under Construction)) - McBeefâ„¢ - 07-15-2014

(07-15-2014, 07:20 PM)Melkire Wrote:
(07-15-2014, 07:12 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote: FYI I have regained control of the "The Immortal Flames" LS and can now add and drop people as needed. It's original purpose was as a law enforcement for Ul'dah LS, anyone rpings as a Sultansworn, Brass Blade, Stone Tourch, Flame, government official, or contractor was welcomed. I interned to return it to this purpose again in the coming weeks. Care to join it Kage? Or anyone else?

I've always been confused as to why it'd been called "The Immortal Flames LS" when it encompasses more than just that particular branch of service. This occasionally causes some issues when said branches work at cross-purposes.  

I know Coatleque put together an LS specifically for Sultansworn (with high-ranking Flames getting pearls for ease of coordination). Could we not do the same for each service, then have an umbrella LS that not only encompasses all of them but also brings in inspectors/private investigators like Gaspard?

I vote it be called "Guardians of a corrupt and exploitative system" or something equally disparaging.

RE: Blood on the Sands Episodic rp event (Sign up here))(Under Construction)) - Michikyou - 07-16-2014

Naih'ir is researching a cure to the water, if anyone else is on that subject of the plot, could you please send me a message here or in game?