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RE: That new Law and Order episode - Flashhelix - 02-15-2015

Amazonian Warriors Bitch Got What She Deserved.

RE: That new Law and Order episode - Edvyn - 02-15-2015

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 i read on kotaku it's better than civ 5 with the brave new world expansion pack

RE: That new Law and Order episode - Flashhelix - 02-15-2015

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RE: That new Law and Order episode - Kilborne Bloodbane - 02-15-2015

(02-15-2015, 02:25 AM)Faye Wrote:
(02-15-2015, 02:16 AM)Kilborne Bloodbane Wrote: Did you not see the eleven or so "Gamers are dead" articles that sprung up when the movement started? Or the thousands of reddit comments that got deleted because the media didn't want people to have any discussion at all? And no, you cannot tell me that every single comment was pure vitrol.

No, I did not. There are probably more than 11 articles about most things. I don't know what point that is supposed to prove? o_o I can easily believe thousands of comments on Reddit were pure vitriol, but regardless, Reddit deletes Reddit comments. This faceless entity that's the "media" doesn't swoop in and erase content from their website.

(02-15-2015, 02:16 AM)Kilborne Bloodbane Wrote: And what does the language of the tumblr have to do with anything? Every post has a screenshot

....wat?

(02-15-2015, 02:16 AM)Kilborne Bloodbane Wrote: Also, a ten second google search of "Gamergate" brings up 4 articles about it that were published 9 hours ago. It's still the most trending topic on Know Your Meme. The /gamergate/ board on 8chan is active. It's still very much alive.

Did you ever think it was all dredged back up by the Law and Order episode a la your own post right here? Undecided

Except all of those sites banned discussion of GG from the very beginning. It was damage control. And when that failed, they started churning out "gamers are deeeeead!" articles. And when that failed, they just resorted to ad hominem attacks. We're all sexist racist white men. Notyourshield gets created on twitter aaaand... we're still sexist racist white men who apparently control minorities now. 

That's what critics of the movement do: deflect evidence, move goalposts, and make ad hominem attacks on invisible boogeymen.

Also, another ten second google search brings up an article on February 9th, before the episode aired. Even further back is January 28th. Just because they say it, it doesn't make it true.

RE: That new Law and Order episode - Lekka Meyren - 02-15-2015

I'm so glad we all agree Gamergate is a terrible terrible thing.


... As for Dick Wolf. I remember seeing that at the end of random Law and Order episodes, and I don't think I have avoided noticing even once.
I mean you're either very funny or very un-funny to go by "Dick Wolf"

RE: That new Law and Order episode - Hihimi - 02-15-2015

Sigh. Gamergate is honestly the most useless and superfluous development I've ever seen. Everyone knows honest gaming journalism died with Nintendo Power, and also that due to the fact that Revive kills Zombies, it's never coming back.

That and also the amount of harassment they churn out in the name of "Purification" is absolutely ridiculous. Many young women--even children--have given up hope that they will ever be hired in the Gaming industry because of gamergate and the fiascos that have followed it. 

In short; it's doing the exact opposite of what it was supposedly intended to do: Support young indie game developers by exposing corruption of the Media.

Not that the media will ever not be corrupt. If they were actually observant they'd notice that this is nothing new. Even Nintendo Power would sing praises for it's high-selling titles.

RE: That new Law and Order episode - ChewableMorphine - 02-15-2015

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RE: That new Law and Order episode - Warren Castille - 02-15-2015

The people who want to write Gamergate off as misogyny-disguised-as-a-movement will look at the cherrypicked screenshots and make their conclusions.

The people who want to acknowledge Gamergate as scrutiny of the incestuous gaming industry will dig for details and speak out against the people trolling.

And not a thing either side can do will ever convince the other side that they're the right side. There's legitimate things brought up by pro-GG people and there's legitimate worries from the anti-GG people. No one wants to hear them over their own echo chambers, though.

RE: That new Law and Order episode - Bopdoot - 02-15-2015

I didn't really read the previous posts on this but..Honestly people acting like "Zoey Whatevers" is an innocent victim and the gilted ex that wrote the apocryphal blog about their relationship is just a pathetic loser and woman-hater out for revenge clearly didn't actually read the post... lol

Do I think Zoey's game got released because she was sleeping with her boss? Nah.  Do I think that she's a really shitty person that doesn't deserve respect?  Yeah.  Doesn't mean she deserves death threats but she also deserves less than 0 respect or credibility as a human being.  Emotional abuse in relationships is a real thing, and she definitely used it against the author of the blog.

If you still aren't sure whether or not she's a shitty person, you could try reading the "Gender reversed" version of the blog called "The Joey Post" and see if your gender roles still hold up lol.

https://thejoeypost.wordpress.com/

RE: That new Law and Order episode - Kilborne Bloodbane - 02-15-2015

(02-15-2015, 03:14 PM)Bopdoot Wrote: I didn't really read the previous posts on this but..Honestly people acting like "Zoey Whatevers" is an innocent victim and the gilted ex that wrote the apocryphal blog about their relationship is just a pathetic loser and woman-hater out for revenge clearly didn't actually read the post... lol

Do I think Zoey's game got released because she was sleeping with her boss? Nah.  Do I think that she's a really shitty person that doesn't deserve respect?  Yeah.  Doesn't mean she deserves death threats but she also deserves less than 0 respect or credibility as a human being.  Emotional abuse in relationships is a real thing, and she definitely used it against the author of the blog.

If you still aren't sure whether or not she's a shitty person, you could try reading the "Gender reversed" version of the blog called "The Joey Post" and see if your gender roles still hold up lol.

https://thejoeypost.wordpress.com/
Her relationships don't matter. What matters is the crazy amount of censorship on gaming sites that followed when people discovered that two of the guys where journalists that covered her game. There were people who harassed her because of the scandal, and those are the people the antis put under a spotlight, since it fits into a neat black and white good vs evil narrative.

Gamergate has moved on from the "Quinnspiracy", since it became obvious that there was no way to convince anyone that it was about journalists colluding with devs and mass censorship and not "THE WOMAN SLEPT WITH FIVE GUYS HARASS HER!"

RE: That new Law and Order episode - Val - 02-15-2015

(02-15-2015, 11:38 AM)Kilborne Bloodbane Wrote: Just because they say it, it doesn't make it true.

Doesn't this kind of go both ways? Undecided

Also, game developers have been sending reviewers and media swag for years. People getting pissed about it now is kind of.. well. Late, don't you think? And this would all be solved if a bunch of neckbeards would stop getting their jimmies rustled because someone's opinion differs from theirs. The consumers give the media their power. Instead of fussing about X outlet, why don't they instead just preach that they're ultimately opinions and shouldn't sway anyone?

Not to mention a lot of their motives are counterproductive. And honestly? This is video game reviews. If people are so seriously concerned about ethics, why don't they move to industries that matter and actually effect the world/economy/environment itself? A quick google search is all they need to get started. 

I swear, if people were as adamant about protesting that as they are "ethical opinions" then maybe things would get done.

EDIT: As an example of how silly their argument is, I'll give my opinion. I hate Grand Theft Auto. I've never liked it. Well, I take that back. I did when I was in high school. Then I sort of grew up and decided that I didn't really like that kind of game. Strangely enough, I really enjoy Saint's Row. I think it's because Saint's Row is incredibly ridiculous and doesn't try to be this serious thing. GTA flips back and forth between being satire and serious, and that just doesn't mesh well with me. It could also be because I work retail in a gaming store and the type of people that come in to purchase it really annoy me, but hey. That's life.

So let's say I write a negative review about GTA VI on a gaming site (I used to do that, too), and let's say that people get pissed and try to get me fired because of said review. Childish, don't you think? In expressing my personal thoughts on a game that I feel is flawed in its execution, which is what a review is (they do that with food and cars and.. well, anything really, but you don't see ethical "activists" pissed about that), people suddenly want me to lose my job.

As silly as that sounds, let's say I write a positive review about a game that is largely hated. Let's say that, for some unknown reason, I REALLY liked The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct. I thought it was absolutely amazing. Let's say Activision/AMC decided to send me a bunch of stuff for it. I got seasons for free, I got some figures, whatever. This.. well. This happens lol. And really, it doesn't change anything from above. In the end, it's still my opinion.

Let's say I'm good friends with an indie developer and he's designing a game that I want to do well. I write a review painting it in a good light, even if I don't think it's really the BEST thing out there:

1.) There's still a ton of other sources out there. Like the news/any media, anyone that reads one thing online and takes it at face value is an idiot.
2.) Again, despite the stance on things, it's still an opinion. I don't read reviews and say "Hey, that guy liked it so it has to be good." I read reviews and pick out the points they say about the game, watch videos on Youtube, check out the developer, etc. If it's a dev I know and like, then I'll probably purchase from them (CD Projekt will pretty much always get my business). If not, then I won't.

For that matter, what about the developer docs? The people working on the game in the videos that state how amazing it is/going to be? If they're working on a game and realize it's horrid, are they not morally and ethically inclined to simply say "Hey, this game sucks lol sorry guys don't buy it." What about review embargos?

The industry has a lot going wrong with it, but targeting people giving opinions isn't going to solve anything and it makes people look like children. My boss once told me, when reviewing a bad game, "And to think, someone was sitting around a conference room and said 'Guys. This game is AMAZING.'" I laughed it off, but yeah. Someone, somewhere, probably did. And that's okay. It's even more okay for someone to write about it, and get paid for it if they feel that way, even if you don't like it.

RE: That new Law and Order episode - Edvyn - 02-15-2015

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RE: That new Law and Order episode - Atoli - 02-15-2015

No one understands that opinions are not factual... and of course, sharing opinions that are unpopular makes you Satan incarnate... sorry, but Gamergate accomplishes nothing more than
... childishly stomping feet about who's dating who, which is frankly no one's business because it doesn't %#&$ing matter. Heavens forbid you write any article founded on opinion on the internet. Its about as psychotic as Little League parents beating up coachs 'cause little Jimmy's not allowed to play now that he's failing math. Emotional investment doesn't justify immature and extreme reactions. That's not how the real world of adults works.

RE: That new Law and Order episode - Edvyn - 02-15-2015

this is a good thread <- a lie

RE: That new Law and Order episode - Faye - 02-15-2015

(02-15-2015, 11:38 AM)Kilborne Bloodbane Wrote: Except all of those sites banned discussion of GG from the very beginning. It was damage control.

Crazy talk here, I know--but maybe, just maybe, Gamergate was considered a taboo topic because, especially at its peak, it was a heated issue that led to tons of profanity-ridden arguments, hatemail, harassment, and death threats (from both sides, I'm sure) as do eventually most all pseudo-political discussions on the internet?