Ishgard's Social/Class Structure

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RE: Ishgard's Social/Class Structure - Sounsyy - 07-16-2015

(07-16-2015, 09:20 PM)Foxberry Wrote:
(07-16-2015, 03:43 PM)Aya Wrote:
(07-16-2015, 09:05 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: There are Highborns (Nobles) and Lowborn (Brumeborn, baseborn, etc), with little to no evidence of a "middle class."
A middle caste, perhaps?Â I think there is evidence for the middle class in the form of workshops, traders, and merchants who appear on the Pillars level without appearing to be nobles

I would tend to think that there would be a merchant class somewhere within Sounsyy's thoughts of hierarchy. Looking at medieval and other time periods that are similar to Ishgard's mentally I think there would be a merchant class somewhere.

http://medievaljapan101paigeb.weebly.com/medieval-japan-vs-medieval-europe.html
http://geocitiessites.com/historymech/rew1medieval.html

Guess technically it should be here in this line:

(07-16-2015, 03:39 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: >Archbishop - A direct descendant of Thordan or one of the 4 High Houses
>>The Heavens' Ward - Twelve knights hand-selected by the Archbishop
>>>Four High Houses
>>>>The Halonic Inquisition
>>>>>The Azure Dragoon & Temple Knights
>>>>>Other Noble Houses
>>>>>>Dragoons
>>>>>>>Servants and Knights of the Nobles +Merchants?
>>>>>>>>>>>>Lowborns & Foreigners

RE: Ishgard's Social/Class Structure - Fox - 07-16-2015

(07-16-2015, 09:24 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: Guess technically it should be here in this line:
[quote='Sounsyy' pid='199529' dateline='1437075561']
>Archbishop - A direct descendant of Thordan or one of the 4 High Houses
>>The Heavens' Ward - Twelve knights hand-selected by the Archbishop
>>>Four High Houses
>>>>The Halonic Inquisition
>>>>>The Azure Dragoon & Temple Knights
>>>>>Other Noble Houses
>>>>>>Dragoons
>>>>>>>Servants and Knights of the Nobles +Merchants?
>>>>>>>>>>>>Lowborns & Foreigners

Sounds about right, yeah. Smile

RE: Ishgard's Social/Class Structure - McBeefâ„¢ - 07-16-2015

Don't worry, there are easy ways to tell where you fit in though. If you meet someone for the first time, is their hat fancier than yours?

Then you should probably mind your manners.

RE: Ishgard's Social/Class Structure - mongi291 - 07-16-2015

LilithLarkspur Wrote:Is that a lore fitting assumption? Early in theÂ story quests you hear a knight threaten to extend punishment to a Lowborn's family if she continued to be defiant. Is this behavior typical, or was that knight out of line?

A good 90% of the inquisition is either blinded by faith or ax-crazy.

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RE: Ishgard's Social/Class Structure - Blue - 07-16-2015

On the topic, I think it'd be nice to write down a directory for Ishgardian player-made noble houses, including existing members and perhaps a small paragraph about the family's background (similar to the Xaela tribes). It'd be nice to see players decide to last-name change to join others' houses or maybe engage in business/make alliances, maybe through planned engagements and so on and so forth. I'd love to make the Laucent a known name among the other Ishgardian roleplayers, especially since back my friend and I RPd it in 1.0, it was supposedly to be a rather large family.

RE: Ishgard's Social/Class Structure - Zelmanov - 07-25-2015

I'm all for a list of Player made houses...would that be a wiki post or something?

RE: Ishgard's Social/Class Structure - Ekidna - 07-26-2015

I'm planning to create mine (it's not written yet but I know what I'm aiming at), I'm not yet transfered to Balmung but I'd love to join you in this project : )

RE: Ishgard's Social/Class Structure - Virella - 07-26-2015

(07-16-2015, 10:26 PM)Blue Wrote: On the topic, I think it'd be nice to write down a directory for Ishgardian player-made noble houses, including existing members and perhaps a small paragraph about the family's background (similar to the Xaela tribes). It'd be nice to see players decide to last-name change to join others' houses or maybe engage in business/make alliances, maybe through planned engagements and so on and so forth. I'd love to make the Laucent a known name among the other Ishgardian roleplayers, especially since back my friend and I RPd it in 1.0, it was supposedly to be a rather large family.

I'd love to see such! Even if I do not roleplay as a noble, it would still be great to see.

The question is, who will make the thread? I have no objections about making it myself, but I do not wish to be seen as hogging up all the Ishgard themed threads.

RE: Ishgard's Social/Class Structure - Blue - 07-26-2015

I suppose I can, since I tossed the idea. Give me a few minutes to work around a template and then I'll put it up in the Making Connections section.

And it's done. Please check it out and let me know if it's not good enough. http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=12719

RE: Ishgard's Social/Class Structure - Virella - 07-26-2015

I like it, however perhaps add a footnote section? So people can for example tell others whether they are welcome or not to roleplay more family members.

RE: Ishgard's Social/Class Structure - Blue - 07-26-2015

Will do!

RE: Ishgard's Social/Class Structure - Aliluc - 07-28-2015

I have a couple of questions about some more Ishgard lore, and wasn't completely sure where to ask it, but since it's related to this I guess I'll ask here.
How worshiped is the Archbishop by the common folk and the smaller noble houses of Ishgard? Is he considered an entirely holy and nearly godly figure, or just a holy symbol?
Also, speaking of the smaller noble houses, would those houses be in Ishgard itself or outside the city? And on those families, is the inheritor the first son or is there a different method for choosing the inheritor?

I'm sure this is answered in Heavensward, but I won't be able to play until 2 weeks, but wanna have my character's story ready by then.

RE: Ishgard's Social/Class Structure - Blue - 07-29-2015

(07-28-2015, 09:56 PM)Aliluc Wrote: I have a couple of questions about some more Ishgard lore, and wasn't completely sure where to ask it, but since it's related to this I guess I'll ask here.
How worshiped is the Archbishop by the common folk and the smaller noble houses of Ishgard? Is he considered an entirely holy and nearly godly figure, or just a holy symbol?
Also, speaking of the smaller noble houses, would those houses be in Ishgard itself or outside the city? And on those families, is the inheritor the first son or is there a different method for choosing the inheritor?

I'm sure this is answered in Heavensward, but I won't be able to play until 2 weeks, but wanna have my character's story ready by then.

I'd assume the Archbishop is treated as the Pope IRL (though I'm more talking about Pope from the Middle Ages centuries rather than the modern Pope, who has lost some power since then). Either way, he is a holy figure and what closest I imagine we'd have to a god on the existing plane of things. His word is to be considered the word of the Gods themselves (or at least of Halone?), and only the Twelve themselves could have superior authority than him. This is of course all from an Ishgardian's point of view.

While the High Houses all have homes in the city of Ishgard, I wouldn't say that all the noble houses have to live inside the city, but at LEAST be still in Ishgardian territory. The noble house of my character, the Laucent, has for example moved to Coerthas to raise chocobos, for example (pre-Calamity, when Coerthas was an ideal place to do such things).

As for the inheritance thing, if it's how things worked IRL during the Middle Ages, the first male son is the heir unless he is disowned of his rights of succession. It could be different in-game, but I have yet to see any female at the lead of a noble house so far.

(Note: As unlikely as a Keeper noble house would be, being the Keepers of matriarchal society, I could assume the head of the house would be the Matriarch, however).