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RE: Potentially Lorebreaking Names - SessionZero - 10-13-2015

(10-13-2015, 01:57 PM)Ton Wrote: Even the Sagolii tribe have a Nunh as a leader, which isn't necessarily standard in terms of naming.

The Nuhn is the alpha male of any given tribe. They might not always be the political leader, but they are the top cat in terms of breeding and status.

Edited to throw that quote in there, which was supposed to be there to begin with.

RE: Potentially Lorebreaking Names - McBeefâ„¢ - 10-13-2015

(10-13-2015, 02:04 PM)SessionZero Wrote: The Nuhn is the alpha male of any given tribe. They might not always be the political leader, but they are the top cat in terms of breeding and status.
This isn't actually accurate. They're the top male in a 'Breeding group' A given tribe usually has multiple breeding groups, with Females moving to the Nunh they prefer.

So it's not like one miqo'te is the strongest and everyone has to sex them. Also Tias can simply start their own breeding group, instead of challenging a Nunh for an existing one. However they would need females that wished to join them. 

The implication in the Lore is that seeker females don't do this often, as they respect the strength of someone who can take over an established breeding group more.

RE: Potentially Lorebreaking Names - SessionZero - 10-13-2015

Fine, the Nuhn is the top cat in any particular breeding group. 

My point about his statement being incorrect still stands, since the settlement in the Sagolii seems to be comprised of one singular breeding group.

RE: Potentially Lorebreaking Names - Unnamed Mercenary - 10-13-2015

[[steps in as a mod]]

Please try to keep the thread on topic.

Miqo'te Seeker of the Sun naming conventions can be discussed in another thread.

[[steps out]]

RE: Potentially Lorebreaking Names - McBeefâ„¢ - 10-13-2015

Err....  so we can talk about the naming convention of every race but sunseekers?

How are we supposed to discuss the potential lorebreaking nature of a name, if we can't talk about the naming conventions themselves @_@?

RE: Potentially Lorebreaking Names - Berrod Armstrong - 10-13-2015

(10-13-2015, 12:17 PM)TK Hikaru Wrote: So, the character I intend to roleplay with is a bit of an oddity concerning her name.
She's a highlander Hyur named Chouwa Morrison. The reason for the obviously Doman given name is due to the fact her mother was Doman and wanted to honor her heritage. Chouwa herself does acknowledge the fact her name is strange, but also admits she likes it.

The surname however doesn't comply with Highlander naming conventions, sounding more like a Midlander's surname. My best guess is that her Highlander side of the family's always been a bit odd with their surnames.

None the less, I wanted to know if anyone would have any issues concerning her names.
There's a reason they're called naming CONVENTIONS rather than IRON CLAD NAMING RULES, JAIL IF BROKEN. They're guidelines to the 'usual'. For a character to have a name outside of naming conventions is not lorebreaking. The character simply has a strange or unconventional name. Which honestly is fine, and can serve as a conversation piece during roleplay at times. 

I can have a Roegadyn named I'lberd Nunh, and that's not lorebreaking in the least. It is simply in the world a name that does not fit the norm of what a Roegadyn is named. Of course, there are steps I can take to explain this if I so choose ("HE WAS ADOPTED BY A MIQO'TE WHO WANTED HIM TO BE A GREAT MAN." "B-Berrod please..."). Or, I can simply decline explaining it at all in favor of keeping the mystery alive. Anyone who has a problem with it can perhaps take some time to reflect on why they're getting so fanny flustered over a simple, unconventional name. 

Go forth with your name! You may choose to explain it, you may choose not to, it's all up to you! It's a big world out there filled with people who do unusual stuff, and a strange name is the least of your worries! Have at, and have fun.

RE: Potentially Lorebreaking Names - Gegenji - 10-13-2015

The point is, I think, that the OP's character has a name that is not really all that lorebreaking at all. In fact, there's explanation for it - readily offered - that adds flavor to both the character's history and for possible interactions when people ask about the name. That, in my book, is the way to go about it. As long as you can answer the 'Why?', you're set.

"Why do you have a Doman name?" One of my parents is Doman.

"Why are you called 'Tonton' rather than W'hatever?" It's a nickname.

Really, it's rather easy to explain away a lot of names - especially since the opening cutscene at the Adventurer's Guilds makes mention of other adventurers using monikers instead of their actual names. So it could be their actual name, a nickname, a false name, a title... any number of things. It's just all in how you present it.

RE: Potentially Lorebreaking Names - Unnamed Mercenary - 10-13-2015

(10-13-2015, 02:17 PM)McBeef™ Wrote: Err....  so we can talk about the naming convention of every race but sunseekers?

How are we supposed to discuss the potential lorebreaking nature of a name, if we can't talk about the naming conventions themselves @_@?

This is the Character Workshop forum, for well...characters. The thread should be focused around the Original Poster and their character.

For more generic conversation on Naming Conventions, I would recommend the FFXIV Discussion forum, for general lore discussion.

RE: Potentially Lorebreaking Names - TK Hikaru - 10-13-2015

Thanks for the help everyone.

Chouwa's gonna keep both of her names, I'm quite attached to them.

RE: Potentially Lorebreaking Names - Edgar - 10-13-2015

This is just my take on this, but...

Quote:con·ven·tion
kənˈven(t)SH(ə)n/
noun
  1. a way in which something is usually done, especially within a particular area or activity.
    "the woman who overturned so many conventions of children's literature"

Key word, there: Usually

There is no such thing as a lore-breaking name, just a typical way within the lore of naming people for each species. That said, try and give a reason for a differentiation. Maybe your character is a Miqo'te and is like mine, Edgar, who was raised by Hyur. Maybe your character is a Roegadyn that grew up alone and had parents who died before giving a name. Maybe your character and their family didn't give a crap for conventional naming. 

If the reasoning is good, most people won't take issue. And the people that do, I wouldn't bother roleplaying with.

RE: Potentially Lorebreaking Names - ChewableMorphine - 10-13-2015

Pardon the potentially unwarranted reply but if your name belongs to a previous FF character or hereby claim relation to canon characters, you're in for a bad time.

I'm looking at all you damn Highwinds and Strifes.

In regards to big fat grey area that is Midlander naming, I can deduce it to this:

Mainland, non-immigrant midlander names are typically British, a name and the family trade, typically. But this is more often than not overlooked and honestly irrelevant.

Doman Midlanders, from what I know from the NIN questline and some of the side characters in MSQ go by Japanese names followed by some baller honorific, I can't tell you if it's their title or last name, though (i.e Yugiri Mistwalker, Oboro Moonrise, Tsubame Sunrise, Karasu Redbeak).

Highlanders are Germanic in nature, if this person sounds like they drink bourbon and have facial hair with properties similar to sandpaper or belong to a viking metal band (but not too viking, that's Sea Wolf turf), they're a good Highlander in terms of conventions. Here's your Brynhildas, Armsbreakers, Stonesunders, Sturmstagens, et cetera.

RE: Potentially Lorebreaking Names - Ton - 10-13-2015

EDIT: Sorry mod I didn't catch your post. You can delete mine!

RE: Potentially Lorebreaking Names - mongi291 - 10-13-2015

(10-13-2015, 03:43 PM)Flynt Reddard Wrote: Pardon the potentially unwarranted reply but if your name belongs to a previous FF character or hereby claim relation to canon characters, you're in for a bad time.

I'm looking at all you damn Highwinds and Strifes.
What ticks me off is that it's only Highwinds and Strifes.

If I saw Branfords or Beoulves around I'd let it slide (and that's totally not me being biased because I like FF6 and FFT).

RE: Potentially Lorebreaking Names - SessionZero - 10-13-2015

(10-13-2015, 04:16 PM)Ton Wrote:
(10-13-2015, 02:11 PM)SessionZero Wrote: Fine, the Nuhn is the top cat in any particular breeding group. 

My point about his statement being incorrect still stands, since the settlement in the Sagolii seems to be comprised of one singular breeding group.

Maybe I don't understand, but how is it incorrect?

I said a it isn't necessarily standard that a Nuhn is the leader of a tribe.

Reference: "Nunh status does not equate to leadership within a tribe, and in fact, very few nunh ever become leaders."

Citation: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Miqo'te/Naming

The population in the Sagolii desert is a tribe. See here under home areas: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Miqo'te

Sorry about the confusion. Big Grin

I think this is mainly a case of miscommunication. I took your statement to mean the alpha males of the tribe are not always named Nuhns.

RE: Potentially Lorebreaking Names - Ton - 10-13-2015

(10-13-2015, 04:20 PM)SessionZero Wrote: I think this is mainly a case of miscommunication. I took your statement to mean the alpha males of the tribe are not always named Nuhns.

It's okay, I was like ahh I just started here and I'm derailing threads already. I'll post these and not say anymore haha..

Laugh

EDIT: Sorry mod I didn't catch your posts. You can delete mine!