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RE: Clan mixing? - Naunet - 07-07-2013
(07-05-2013, 08:55 AM)Mtoto Wamoto Wrote: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/32685-Questions-related-to-Lore?p=490835&viewfull=1#post490835Oh oh oh, thank you for this link! :3
RE: Clan mixing? - Myxie Tryxle - 07-07-2013
As a real-world biologist, my guess would be that inter-racial breeding would be like the typical hybridization you see in the real world examples of tigons, ligers, mules, etc. In all likelihood, an inter-racial hybrid would be sterile. The potential parents of such a creature, or at least the mother, would likely consider this when it comes to producing children and abstain from inter-racial breeding.
As for inter-breeding between the two different clans within a species, it should be completely biologically viable. Only social stigma and cultural bias would make it unlikely. Even these would make it so that inter-breeding is uncommon rather than extremely rare, depending on the species. Miqo'te I would expect to have very little inter-breeding because their mating structures are very different, and they are diurnal versus nocturnal. The other races like Hyur and Lalafell probably interact regularly within their two clans.
RE: Clan mixing? - Khaze'to Zhwan - 07-07-2013
(07-07-2013, 06:53 PM)Callipygian Wrote: As a real-world biologist, my guess would be that inter-racial breeding would be like the typical hybridization you see in the real world examples of tigons, ligers, mules, etc. In all likelihood, an inter-racial hybrid would be sterile. The potential parents of such a creature, or at least the mother, would likely consider this when it comes to producing children and abstain from inter-racial breeding.I fully agree with you from a real world stand point and its generally my stand as well however I would point you to this thread on Miqo'te Culture as we are covering the same kinda discussion there as well although a little more focused on just the Miqo'te.  There have been suggestions from posters that because its a fantasy setting that we should not take real world genetics as the sole driving force of the mating, given the innately magical nature of the world.
As for inter-breeding between the two different clans within a species, it should be completely biologically viable. Only social stigma and cultural bias would make it unlikely. Even these would make it so that inter-breeding is uncommon rather than extremely rare, depending on the species. Miqo'te I would expect to have very little inter-breeding because their mating structures are very different, and they are diurnal versus nocturnal. The other races like Hyur and Lalafell probably interact regularly within their two clans.
Its interesting to see two threads converging like this although I guess with the topics at hand its not surprising.
RE: Clan mixing? - Aysun - 07-07-2013
(07-07-2013, 07:42 PM)Khaze Wrote:(07-07-2013, 06:53 PM)Callipygian Wrote: As a real-world biologist, my guess would be that inter-racial breeding would be like the typical hybridization you see in the real world examples of tigons, ligers, mules, etc. In all likelihood, an inter-racial hybrid would be sterile. The potential parents of such a creature, or at least the mother, would likely consider this when it comes to producing children and abstain from inter-racial breeding.I fully agree with you from a real world stand point and its generally my stand as well however I would point you to this thread on Miqo'te Culture as we are covering the same kinda discussion there as well although a little more focused on just the Miqo'te.  There have been suggestions from posters that because its a fantasy setting that we should not take real world genetics as the sole driving force of the mating, given the innately magical nature of the world.
As for inter-breeding between the two different clans within a species, it should be completely biologically viable. Only social stigma and cultural bias would make it unlikely. Even these would make it so that inter-breeding is uncommon rather than extremely rare, depending on the species. Miqo'te I would expect to have very little inter-breeding because their mating structures are very different, and they are diurnal versus nocturnal. The other races like Hyur and Lalafell probably interact regularly within their two clans.
Its interesting to see two threads converging like this although I guess with the topics at hand its not surprising.
Aye, as I said in that thread, while in the real world we would expect something else to happen, we should definitely go by what we see in the NPCs/given lore instead.
RE: Clan mixing? - Bauldric - 07-09-2013
I have to say I was thinking this for my Elezen since I wanted someone that liked a solitary life yet was friendly and often around cities. Admittedly I realized I was trying to use a bazooka to kill a squirrel. I really doubt the personalities are that rigid in the societies but I still might do it because my friend is making a duskwight.
Thank you for the link! And really doubt this is far fetched since love and lust conquer most social stigmas. Specially seeing as it is only a clan mixing.
RE: Clan mixing? - Nnejo - 07-09-2013
I do believe I will still press on with my Seeker, my partner has created a Keeper. After reading several threads and participating in such discussions I have come to the conclusion that while they may be exiled by their clans and those who uphold the tribal ways of the Miqo'te, not many other races will even care.
Besides whats roleplay without a little conflict, eh?
Newb Question: Where can I find out more on the Miqo'te aside from the wiki page. Im trying to understand the differences in the tribes hierarchy. Like who would have a Matriarch of sorts etc etc
RE: Clan mixing? - Spiritual Machine - 07-09-2013
(07-09-2013, 07:32 PM)Isis Wrote: I do believe I will still press on with my Seeker, my partner has created a Keeper. After reading several threads and participating in such discussions I have come to the conclusion that while they may be exiled by their clans and those who uphold the tribal ways of the Miqo'te, not many other races will even care.http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Miqo%27te/Naming
Besides whats roleplay without a little conflict, eh?
Newb Question: Where can I find out more on the Miqo'te aside from the wiki page. Im trying to understand the differences in the tribes hierarchy. Like who would have a Matriarch of sorts etc etc
That's about as much info as we'll get for now.
SE has stated that they will explore the topic of love and relationships outside of ones clan and race in future quests and events. That will hopefully include more detailed information about how Miqo'te clans function, though I hear there's much to be had in-game already, if you look in the right places.
RE: Clan mixing? - Khaze'to Zhwan - 07-09-2013
In addition to the above there is a list of all 1.0 surnames for Keepers of the Moon somewhere. Â I know I saw it on the lore forums of the lodestone, might be worth having a look around if interested.
RE: Clan mixing? - Nnejo - 07-09-2013
Im more looking for their hierarchy, would be nice if there was more information on this. But alas I shall wait patiently.
RE: Clan mixing? - Naunet - 07-09-2013
(07-09-2013, 08:29 PM)Isis Wrote: Im more looking for their hierarchy, would be nice if there was more information on this. But alas I shall wait patiently.
I know it's Keepers of the Moon who have a far more strict gender stratification, with a matriarch of the clan and everything. But I don't really know the details of it.
RE: Clan mixing? - Koninbeor - 07-10-2013
(07-07-2013, 06:53 PM)Callipygian Wrote: As for inter-breeding between the two different clans within a species, it should be completely biologically viable. Only social stigma and cultural bias would make it unlikely. Even these would make it so that inter-breeding is uncommon rather than extremely rare, depending on the species. Miqo'te I would expect to have very little inter-breeding because their mating structures are very different, and they are diurnal versus nocturnal. The other races like Hyur and Lalafell probably interact regularly within their two clans.
I agree with most of what you have said. Where I differ is mostly on the last sentence of your post. One of the most significant factors dividing the clans of each race is distance. Our characters are exceptional and travel the world, seeing things that most people would never even consider. While Hyur would probably be the most likely to interbreed simply due to the fact that there are Midlanders in Ul'dah, where the majority of Eorzean Highlanders reside, this would not be true of the Lalafell. The Lalafell of Ul'dah have adapted to their environment over an extended period of time as evidenced with their eyes.
Again, interclan breeding is certainly possible but physical location on the planet's surface is probably going to be a bigger deterrent to this than even social and/or religious views. I am not opposed to "mixed" characters in any way, I simply expect a good character background. Of course, I expect good character backgrounds out of everyone.
RE: Clan mixing? - Sini'to Shadar - 07-10-2013
Some could say thats an easy and/or lazy explanation, but the most simple one is just the adventuring lifestyle.
Someone already stated adventurers are an exceptional lot, when i travel around with my Keeper of the moon, he will meet Seekers of the Sun on whatever time of the day, for whatever reason. Also location will be no issue, my keeper will hail from Gridania and the Shroud (like most keepers lorewise), but he could travel to Ul'dah or LimLom for whatever reason like other class-guilds.
Of course not everyone will RP adventurers, but those who do will have it easy with explanations, be it for their own characters or the backstory of their characdter by saying one or both of their parents were adventurers.
RE: Clan mixing? - Abaigeal - 07-20-2013
How did i miss this thread! LOL. Abai is also Half-Mid Half-High. And sort of touched on the how and why part on her wiki.
RE: Clan mixing? - FreelanceWizard - 07-20-2013
Incoming lore reference!
Clan mixing has been confirmed by Fernehalwes, actually, in reference to F'lhammin's curious appearance. So, if the miqo'te can do it -- and they have significant social and physical limitations that make it difficult -- I think it's safe to say that other races can, too.
RE: Clan mixing? - Martiallais - 07-22-2013
Very cool. I wonder if that means they'll be enabling those options in the next phase/launch or are they already ingame and I just missed them?