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Re: Eorzea ― The Making of a Realm #1 (English version) - Gavriel - 07-31-2010
Yes! New stuff!
I have to take a 48 hour hiatus more often. So much cool stuff happens when you don't try to stare down a kettle that just won't boil...
Re: Eorzea ― The Making of a Realm #1 (English version) - Hiname - 07-31-2010
No dance emotes, but.. Oh well.
WoW summoned the apocalypse anyway.
Where else can you see Zombies riding dinosaurs standing on sharks that fire friggin lazerbeams?
Re: Eorzea ― The Making of a Realm #1 (English version) - ArmachiA - 08-01-2010
There are days when WoW owns.
This is one of those days.
Re: Eorzea ― The Making of a Realm #1 (English version) - Axl - 08-01-2010
I am at my buddy's house, we have been up all night on LAN playing SC2, and we decided to play the WoW trials that came with it. we couldn't stand playing for more than 15 minutes :I
Re: Eorzea ― The Making of a Realm #1 (English version) - ArmachiA - 08-01-2010
^ You are not the only one.
http://wireninja.com/blizzard-announce- ... -level-10
Those first few levels are so crucial in any MMO
ARE YOU LISTENING SE?
Re: Eorzea ― The Making of a Realm #1 (English version) - Ellion Goto - 08-01-2010
ArmachiA Wrote:^ You are not the only one.
http://wireninja.com/blizzard-announce- ... -level-10
Those first few levels are so crucial in any MMO
ARE YOU LISTENING SE?
Blizzard Wrote:The studio has confirmed that Cataclysm will launch alongside StarCraft II later this year.
Hahahahaha
Re: Eorzea ― The Making of a Realm #1 (English version) - Gavriel - 08-01-2010
ArmachiA Wrote:^ You are not the only one.
http://wireninja.com/blizzard-announce- ... -level-10
Those first few levels are so crucial in any MMO
ARE YOU LISTENING SE?
That just made my day!
Re: Eorzea ― The Making of a Realm #1 (English version) - Asyria - 08-01-2010
It's true that the first few levels are crucial but... really? Make it -more- accessible? You get level 10 in a single evening as it is, what are they gonna do? Make people start level 10?
I'm surprised there's even still people taking the trial.. the game is popular sure, but it's old. If I was about to play my first mmo, I'd go for one of the most recent ones.
Re: Eorzea ― The Making of a Realm #1 (English version) - Kashemia - 08-01-2010
The thing to realize about WoW I think, is that you can't really compare it to other MMOs in many ways. A lot of the players there are WoW-players, not MMO-players. They're not really gamers, World of Warcraft is the only thing they really play, and they're not going to move to another game.
WoW has become mainstream. While there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, it means that a ton of people there are not really interested in the game genre, only in THAT game. It's also the MMO that has been talked about the most outside of the MMO-community, so there will be a lot of people checking it out, probably for a while still.
That is also the reason I've always found it silly to talk about a WoW-killer, cause from what I see, it's not really possible, unless another game gets that mainstream status that WoW have/had.
I'm not sure where exactly I'm going with this, I guess I'm just trying to say that WoW, and a lot of WoW players, are different than most other MMOs, and it's different people who are playing. There are lots of MMO players playing WoW, sure, but there's also tons of people who will never try anything else.
And because of those tons of people, there's another ton of people who want to try it out, but probably don't really have an interest in MMORPGs, so they don't make it very far, because it CAN be confusing when you first log in. I think that might be one of the reasons why so many doesn't make it past level 10.
And let's not forget all the level 1 goldspammers. They have to make a pretty decent chunk of those accounts too <.<
Re: Eorzea ― The Making of a Realm #1 (English version) - Ellion Goto - 08-01-2010
Kashemia Wrote:The thing to realize about WoW I think, is that you can't really compare it to other MMOs in many ways. A lot of the players there are WoW-players, not MMO-players. They're not really gamers, World of Warcraft is the only thing they really play, and they're not going to move to another game.
WoW has become mainstream. While there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, it means that a ton of people there are not really interested in the game genre, only in THAT game. It's also the MMO that has been talked about the most outside of the MMO-community, so there will be a lot of people checking it out, probably for a while still.
That is also the reason I've always found it silly to talk about a WoW-killer, cause from what I see, it's not really possible, unless another game gets that mainstream status that WoW have/had.
I'm not sure where exactly I'm going with this, I guess I'm just trying to say that WoW, and a lot of WoW players, are different than most other MMOs, and it's different people who are playing. There are lots of MMO players playing WoW, sure, but there's also tons of people who will never try anything else.
And because of those tons of people, there's another ton of people who want to try it out, but probably don't really have an interest in MMORPGs, so they don't make it very far, because it CAN be confusing when you first log in. I think that might be one of the reasons why so many doesn't make it past level 10.
And let's not forget all the level 1 goldspammers. They have to make a pretty decent chunk of those accounts too <.<
This is an excellent point and I agree with you 100%. To emphasize on that point, most everyone who passes by my Electronics department in my store knows what World of Warcraft is. I even have shopper moms stop by and pick up the cards. However, they couldn't tell you the title of another game... period. The game has entered the realm of popularity with other legendary socially accepted gaming titles such as Halo and Guitar Hero/RockBand. The community puts these on a pedestal and they have become a staple of what people look for. So yes, I agree wholeheartedly that another MMO would first have to branch out and become globally renown before it can even think about dethroning World of Warcraft. Old as it is, it's still easy to learn and fun for the general public, which everyone can relate to, and because it has secured its place already that means that its just an uphill battle for any new challengers from the get go (Though I believe FFXIV has potential).
Re: Eorzea ― The Making of a Realm #1 (English version) - Asyria - 08-01-2010
Honestly, I hope FF XIV -doesn't- become another mainstream thing. I'd hate to live going into a game because I always loved the titles and wanted to RP (I did play WoW because I've played Warcraft 1, 2 and 3 and was looking forward to RP in that universe!) and end up in a mainstream thing again, seeing my RP environment devolve into pure economical BS. At least SE seems to have this whole Immersion thing down pretty nicely.
Re: Eorzea ― The Making of a Realm #1 (English version) - Ellion Goto - 08-01-2010
Asyria Wrote:Honestly, I hope FF XIV -doesn't- become another mainstream thing. I'd hate to live going into a game because I always loved the titles and wanted to RP (I did play WoW because I've played Warcraft 1, 2 and 3 and was looking forward to RP in that universe!) and end up in a mainstream thing again, seeing my RP environment devolve into pure economical BS. At least SE seems to have this whole Immersion thing down pretty nicely.
I would honestly be lying if I didn't say that some of the most fun RP sessions I have had was on WoW. It did provide a very immersive world to say the least where a lot was interactive in terms of Lore (even though they contradicted themselves a lot). So I can't say that I didn't like it. But I understand your position.
Re: Eorzea ― The Making of a Realm #1 (English version) - Hiname - 08-01-2010
Weeeeelll... I played WoW for many, many years. With some ups and downs, made it through classic and two expansions. I think its time to give a little rant here.
The time I startet, in November 05, WoW was my very first mmo and somethign wfully new. i had the luck to jump on a server that had opened its gates only a few weeks ago, so everything was just cool around there. Playing my little mage, I explored, stared in awe and met many new friends, getting in touch with online-RP and begann loving it, spending hours in the mage-quarter of stormwind, selling my handmade Linencloth-Bags.
WoW was new that time.. and everything was ponys and rainbows.
My little mage grew up, reached 60, started raiding.
Oh the raiding back then.. stumbling with 39 others through a fuggin' huge cavern full of trash, more trash, MOAR trash and if you're lucky you see a boss every now and then. Not to mention the loot was terrible and getting a full class-set was something you see in your depraved, wet dreams in which you bend Lady Luck over a table.
Then the rgeat day, Burnign Crusade was released. Every set you gathered and every piece of loot you optained becomming worthess from one day to the enxt, replaced by something that drops by a big, red boar in the wilds. Oh well, we move on. "Some" label BC as a golden age for WoW, such as some claim thats classic. As for me, I agree with the former. I had most of my fun after hitting 70. Still having a lot of fun, though the introduction of Blood Elves opened a... well... bad influance to the hrode in therms of RP. You better stay away from Silvermoon. Oh the horrors I had to endure walking these streets...
Well, eventually I managed to outlive the countless cheep and horrible plaid bloodelfs and wannabe whores and 5637553 bloodknight-champions...
Raiding during BC was fun, too. No more 40 man lagfests where half the raid was afk or watching porn, anyway. I enjoyed 10 man raiding and gathering up with our partner-guild for the bigger raids. Gathering a set was actually doable and sometimes quite easy. I still love the token-way to gather sets..
Oh and lets not forget the day we all were waiting for. FINALLY! After defeating Illidan for no appearant reason, the march to Northrend begann! Time to kick some Lichking ass for real now!
Okay then, back in northrend, lets go kill Ar- oh hey, look! An insane dragon! Lets kill it! .. okay, thats taken care off, now lets kill Arth- uuhhhh, an old god! Lets kill it after we elarned we better not kill them! Hurray! Now lets get back to killing.. uhh, Tirion is having a carnival! Hurray! .. Good, lets kill Arthas now. For real! Woooo!
And during the whole expansion, things got worse.. and worse... and worse.
It was during that time when i noticed.. WoW is worn out. Dull, outdated and ridden by comerce and Activion. *shiver*
No graphic update thats worth mentioning, an hopelessly outdated engine and the same things over and over again. Mechanics fucked up and the same things all over. Dailys, grind, epics, epics, epics.. and more epics.
There was just nothing to be gained anymore.
The community spoiled to no end, a collection of brats, elitists and jerks as far the eye could see.
Lets not mention that you were looked at veeery odd when daring to play RP in puplic.
*sigh* The good times have passed, like WoW has long gone over its prime.
Re: Eorzea ― The Making of a Realm #1 (English version) - Asyria - 08-01-2010
Thank you Hiname! Now I never need rant about WoW again because you've just said everything there was to say!
Re: Eorzea ― The Making of a Realm #1 (English version) - Kashemia - 08-02-2010
Or maybe it's just that we've played it for too long? While I completely agree that WoW is a bit worn out, it sounds like they're doing some really interesting things in Cataclysm. I'm going to check it out, sure, but I'm not super excited about it right now, and it might not be at launch.
But I agree with your point, WoW might have worn itself out a bit. I hope for them the changes in Cataclysm will add some new life.
On the note of FFXIV becoming mainstream... While the FF series already has a big fanbase, I doubt it will become the same "type" of popularity as WoW has, and as Asyria, I sort of hope not. While a larger fanbase can be great in some ways, it has its dangers as well.
While I've had some great roleplay on WoW, and been in some awesome guilds, a lot of people are idiots. I'm sorry, but they are. Of course idiots are in all game, and the reason why there's so many in WoW is because it's larger, but still. I prefer being able to ask a simple question without being called "Noob", everybody was a new player once. It might not happen to me in WoW anymore, I've been playing that game for, what, 5 years as well, but I see it happen to other people, and it makes me sad. I love when a community comes TOGETHER and help eachother, instead of just thinking about themselves or their own guild.