(08-28-2013, 02:43 PM)Kaln Wrote: That's pretty much the way I feel about it.

The only reason people 'abuse' the lack of an AFK timer, is because abuse the lack of an AFK timer. I mean.. I'm in class now, and logged in back at home. I'll be  idle for about 8 hours before I get back to it... But my logging out doesn't fix the issue that's still there - All it does is makes it near impossible for me to play when I get home, and allows someone (Likely not even an RPer) in to play, and probably abuse the system.

It's kind of a catch 22, there. People abuse the system, because people abuse the system. If there were an AFK timer, there'd be no need to abuse the system, and would be no need for the timer, except for keeping the need down. Hope that makes sense.

(08-28-2013, 03:04 PM)Lienayo Wrote: It only takes me about 10-15 minutes of trying to hop back in after logging out for a while.

(08-28-2013, 03:20 PM)Bea Wrote: It depends on how long we're talking here, I think. If you're called away from the computer for an hour to go get food or something and fully intend to get back to the game as soon as you sit down, I have no issues with that. But, if you're leaving your character sit over night? For days? Unacceptable and shitty to do. There are other people who want to play the game, let them have their chance.

(08-28-2013, 03:18 PM)Ivven Rollenspeil Wrote: Woah now, I think you're taking it way too personally there. I never said anything rude or personal about you at all. I'm simply saying that most people here probably already realize the fact and are trying not to afk for long periods of time. It's the people who DON'T realize, care or visit these forums you should be trying to reach via the main forums. Better yet, petition SE to make an AFK kick timer. If you want to see something done, you've got to reach a bigger (and less aware) audience than here. Though, frankly, I doubt most of the player base is going to care. That's just the nature of MMOs. No need to strawman the argument or take it personally.

(08-28-2013, 03:28 PM)Uther Wrote:

(08-28-2013, 03:18 PM)Ivven Rollenspeil Wrote: Woah now, I think you're taking it way too personally there. I never said anything rude or personal about you at all. I'm simply saying that most people here probably already realize the fact and are trying not to afk for long periods of time. It's the people who DON'T realize, care or visit these forums you should be trying to reach via the main forums. Better yet, petition SE to make an AFK kick timer. If you want to see something done, you've got to reach a bigger (and less aware) audience than here. Though, frankly, I doubt most of the player base is going to care. That's just the nature of MMOs. No need to strawman the argument or take it personally.

I wasn't taking it personally. I apologize if it seemed that way. I just speak my opinions plainly and don't enjoy softening my arguments with people who I feel are mature enough to handle the criticism. So, in a backwards way, it's a compliment. Either way, you bring up a decent point about making a thread on the official forum. That being said, you should have suggested that earlier instead of responding with cynicism for like 4 posts. Now we're just butting heads when we could have had an educational conversation.

(08-28-2013, 03:21 PM)Magellan Wrote:

(08-28-2013, 02:43 PM)Kaln Wrote: That's pretty much the way I feel about it.

The only reason people 'abuse' the lack of an AFK timer, is because abuse the lack of an AFK timer. I mean.. I'm in class now, and logged in back at home. I'll be  idle for about 8 hours before I get back to it... But my logging out doesn't fix the issue that's still there - All it does is makes it near impossible for me to play when I get home, and allows someone (Likely not even an RPer) in to play, and probably abuse the system.

It's kind of a catch 22, there. People abuse the system, because people abuse the system. If there were an AFK timer, there'd be no need to abuse the system, and would be no need for the timer, except for keeping the need down. Hope that makes sense.

I kind of take issue with the fact that you seem to think rpers have more of a right to be on Bal/Gilg than non-rpers. They are not officially designated rp servers, merely the homes the rp community decided upon themselves.

Uther, I am very happy you are a considerate gamer. I wish more of us were <3. In a perfect world we woyldn't even have thisproblem to deal with in the first place. Hopefully the server cap raise next week will provide the relief we all seek.

(08-28-2013, 03:36 PM)Theodric Brandt Wrote: It's unfortunate, but most people probably don't care so long as they - and possibly their friends and associates - can get online and stay online. My partner has been unable to get online for days since by the time work finishes the server is full. It's pretty frustrating, but there's very little to be done about it until the server capacity is adjusted and improved. I do think things will improve significantly though - then we'll all be looking back and laughing as we enjoy the game together!

(08-28-2013, 03:31 PM)Ivven Rollenspeil Wrote: But I only posted twice in the thread before this response?

Anyway, my point and opinion still stands. It's just not going to do much good here, and probably won't on the official forums either - but if you want to give it a shot there, you've got more chance than here of reaching a few people who maybe don't realize what prolonged afk is doing to the server load. Or petition SE. I would say it just seems more logical from the get-go, but I realize that people's first instincts is to rant to friends about a problem and might not realize until later they're preaching to the choir.

(08-28-2013, 03:35 PM)Kaln Wrote: It was more meant to imply the position of "Why give up a spot to someone else, who will do exactly what I could have done?" as well as a response to Uther's original statement about being kind to ones brother RPers and such. Just stating that, chances are, my (Or whoevers) spot wouldn't be given to an RPer anyways.

(08-28-2013, 01:46 PM)Uther Wrote: But the more I thought about it, the more I began to empathize with newcomers who can't make any character at all on the server. Imagine how you would feel if you hadn't been following the game too closely and never pre-ordered it. It's launch and you can't even make a character until next week because everyone refuses to log out and give you a chance.

Magellan Wrote:They are expanding server capacity starting next Monday, which, in their words, they hope makes a 'significant' impact. Courtesy towards fellow gamers would be sweet, but I don't begrudge people just trying to enjoy the game.