(10-29-2013, 10:44 AM)Olofantur Wrote:

(10-29-2013, 10:38 AM)Naunet Wrote: I feel like Twinflame and I were the only people who did not run out of quests even once leveling to 50. xD Do not understand. We never deliberately FATE grinded, though we did them when we ran into them. The bulk of our leveling was just quests, hunting and GC log, and dungeons.

Seconded, never touched FATEs on my WHM, which was the first one I leveled that wasn't at 50 from 1.0. I made a point of stopping by pretty much every high level zone and snagging the 3-4 quests that had to do with the Beast tribes in each area.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Category:Sidequest/26-50

Sorted by level and look at the size of the 45-50 group, while spread out, and hardly as numerous as lower level, I don't get how people seem to think FATEs are the only option. (most efficient cost/effort yes, even with the Dark Devices nerf)

(10-29-2013, 11:26 AM)Illira Wrote: Even if those quests do get you through to 50, I know for me, I ran out of quests in Mor Dhona around 44/45 and then just gave up and FATE grinded. I think a big issue, as I've expressed, is the way in which SE does quest threading, which is exacerbated after Mor Dhona. It gets sporadic in its spread, with no real indication of where the player needs to be to continue questing. If there is a thread that does so... its obviously not a strong/highly visible one, because a large % of people don't see it, and just FATE grind. And believe me, I was probably the last player to /want/ to FATE my way through the last few levels.

Even after I got to the point where I could pick the main quest back up (lvl restrictions had kept me from so), it just wasn't worth it to try to scrape the bottom of the barrel for quests, as I know that I would have found that much more frustrating than just continue on the path that I was on. And having an outside list of quests doesn't excuse bad quest thread design. Its helpful if you happen to have it, but that isn't an answer to the problem, which there obviously is one, when a large percentage of the player population finds themselves without quests. 

The recommendation list they have added helps, but its only good at picking up quests when you are in that particular area, and if you happen to exit it on login its not easy to get back on screen (can you even? I haven't found a button/key to bring it back up >.>).

(10-29-2013, 11:35 AM)Olofantur Wrote: Yes you can get it back up on screen, as to the rest, I suppose i'm just used to having quests being tucked away in the corners of the world, EQ and 1.0 were a harsh mistresses. I wasn't saying its easy, just providing an outside resource, the Srirachi sauce to an otherwise bland meal.

(10-29-2013, 11:49 AM)Illira Wrote: As a side note: I spent most of my time in EQ working to become the most awesome chef ever.

(10-29-2013, 11:59 AM)Nebbs Wrote: The recommendations are in the abilities/actions thing. Press P and it us in there someplace (not at my pc atm). Looks like a pointing hand. You can also get it to popup when you enter an area.

(10-29-2013, 12:01 PM)Olofantur Wrote: I can understand the sand box comparison, I suppose I meant it more along the lines of people yelling at me over Ventrillo not to enter certain areas because Ogres would beat the daylights out of me so I got used to exploring and sneaking around.

Quote:Back to the topic at hand, have you also made sure to do your Guildhests? they're a pretty sizable chunk of exp for the first one. Not worth farming, but (on the later ones.) a decent intro to 8-mans for people still leveling.

(10-29-2013, 12:37 PM)Illira Wrote: Nope, stopped doing those around... 20s? They were never something on my mind, and most other folk ignored them as well. Not saying they maybe shouldn't be done for the xp, but a big issue with them is that they are maybe more explicit in their teaching of dungeon mechanics, but they don't really add much to the game as a whole.

(10-29-2013, 12:47 PM)Olofantur Wrote: As a note, this advice is for EVG, not you as you already sound to have a set path.

(10-29-2013, 12:47 PM)Olofantur Wrote: At least I know that my FC always runs people through them before they're allowed to do HM's & AK with us since the level 40 8-man can be taxing if people don't pay attention. Again just another tool in the large set Squee has provided.

(10-29-2013, 10:38 AM)Naunet Wrote: I feel like Twinflame and I were the only people who did not run out of quests even once leveling to 50. xD Do not understand. We never deliberately FATE grinded, though we did them when we ran into them. The bulk of our leveling was just quests, hunting and GC log, and dungeons.

(10-29-2013, 12:47 PM)Olofantur Wrote:

(10-29-2013, 12:37 PM)Illira Wrote: Nope, stopped doing those around... 20s? They were never something on my mind, and most other folk ignored them as well. Not saying they maybe shouldn't be done for the xp, but a big issue with them is that they are maybe more explicit in their teaching of dungeon mechanics, but they don't really add much to the game as a whole.

As a note, the advice i've offered is for EVG, not you as you already sound to have a set path and aren't the thread OP.

But not doing them? Really? I always make a point of making sure new people have run through them, while they introduce mechanics they also reward a very large chunk of XP, its kind of bonkers for the amount of effort required. Like the Hunting Log.

At least I know that my FC always runs people through them before they're allowed to do HM's & AK with us since the level 40 8-man can be taxing if people don't pay attention. Again just another tool in the large set Squee has provided.

EDIT: my attempts to sound less like an ass.

(10-29-2013, 01:48 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: Guildheists only give you the bonus XP the first time you do them, btw.  Which is why theyr'e less useful for subsequent classes if you've already done them on your main class.  I'm not 100% sure if it's the same for dungeons, though.  I have been in a dungeon where every single person had been there on another class, but we still all got bonus XP on the class we were leveling, so it may be judging you based on the class you're in, not your actual presence in the dungeon previously.

I don't think I need tutoring in mechanics.    This isn't my first dog and pony show.  

(10-29-2013, 12:01 PM)Olofantur Wrote: Back to the topic at hand, have you also made sure to do your Guildhests? they're a pretty sizable chunk of exp for the first one. Not worth farming, but (on the later ones.) a decent intro to 8-mans for people still leveling.

(10-29-2013, 03:11 PM)Olofantur Wrote:

(10-29-2013, 01:48 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: Guildheists only give you the bonus XP the first time you do them, btw.  Which is why theyr'e less useful for subsequent classes if you've already done them on your main class.  I'm not 100% sure if it's the same for dungeons, though.  I have been in a dungeon where every single person had been there on another class, but we still all got bonus XP on the class we were leveling, so it may be judging you based on the class you're in, not your actual presence in the dungeon previously.

I don't think I need tutoring in mechanics.    This isn't my first dog and pony show.  

(10-29-2013, 12:01 PM)Olofantur Wrote: Back to the topic at hand, have you also made sure to do your Guildhests? they're a pretty sizable chunk of exp for the first one. Not worth farming, but (on the later ones.) a decent intro to 8-mans for people still leveling.

Pointed out the "First time" note in my post when I mentioned them

Also as I said in that post, "this information is for the OP", not for every veteran that chimes in along the way. Clearly you understand the mechanics as does everyone else with a 50, this thread isn't for them.

(10-29-2013, 08:49 PM)EVGSovereign Wrote: I did not mean for this to turn into a full-blown debate. I just wanted some advice on how to smooth out the leveling process.