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RE: Perception of races? - K'nahli - 11-06-2013

(11-06-2013, 01:53 PM)Magellan Wrote: Lalas OOCly, Lalas just really push my awwwww cute buttons. ICly, it really depends on my character, though I have yet to play a character that doesn't take them seriously.

I think Lalas can be limiting in that a lot of people feel uncomfortable bringing any sexualization or romantic plots into their rp, b/c they are childlike. Additionally, when they do bring that into play, it can make outsiders uncomfortable.

I've seen a large increase in Lala's being rp'd lately though, which can only help educate ppl OOCly and ICly :p

Miqo's The plain honest truth is that Seekers play into a lot of adult fantasies and lore only seems to enhance this. First off, their catgirls (or boys). Secondly, their tribe arrangement is pretty harem-like. Thirdly, as Lidia already pointed out, Seeker npcs and quests have a LOT to do with sexualization. I believe there 's even an npc that rrrolls his rrrr's as I've seen other Miqo's do.

In the end, there's no wrong way to play your cat if you have justifications of it, but lore seems to strongly support a sexual culture for tribal kitties, whereas those who grew up in cities would probably be more conservative.

*Amused*

I have a fourth character that is mostly just for smaller interactions that my other three characters cannot take part in. I had a funny conversation with a friend about this recently. I gave this character, a tall and built Highlander, a lalafell wife partly due to it being a humorous pairing. She teased me about it though when she questioned what would happen when "the moment of truth" came =w= ;;;

Obviously I don't consider them a sexually active couple but even having said that, I don't like to imagine a couple of lalafells in the same way either. Its an OOC thing of course, but not something I care for giving the time of day in either world, eheh ;

RE: Perception of races? - Ildur - 11-06-2013

Miqo'te NPC characterization is all over the place. You have a bunch of serious, non-sexualized Miqo'te around, but the ammount of Miqo'te that have weird "cat-like" quirks or who are sexualized in some way is kind of staggering.

Lalafellin, on the other hand, seem to get played for laughs or for pure cuteness in only two occasions I can think of during the game. The first one is a Brass Blade soldier in Horizon, who is all cute and naive. The second is Tataru, who works for the Scions.
There are probably a few more around, but besides their looks I never got the impression that Squee was playing lalafellin as cute most of the time. But all of their animation and looks scream "CUTE!" with capital letters, so that's probably why people play them as such.
Also, they are a short race and if I have learnt anything from videogames is that short races are very often played for laughs. I'm not sure why.

RE: Perception of races? - LiadansWhisper - 11-06-2013

(11-06-2013, 02:49 PM)Ildur Wrote: Miqo'te NPC characterization is all over the place. You have a bunch of serious, non-sexualized Miqo'te around, but the ammount of Miqo'te that have weird "cat-like" quirks or who are sexualized in some way is kind of staggering.

I can only think of 3 female Miqo'te NPCs that are serious and non-sexual, at least that I have encountered.  There's the leader of the Maelstrom, the NPC you work with in the Arcanist questline, and Y'shotla (sp?).  I guess you could count the Coeurlclaw Poachers?  Otherwise, every single female Miqo I've seen that's an NPC has been a hooker or a dancing girl.

There's even an otherwise serious NPC in Gridania (a questgiver) who uses the word "meow" in place of "now."  I wanted to choke someone when I ran into her.  While she's not super sexualized, the NPC is a joke.

RE: Perception of races? - Clover - 11-06-2013

My experience has been a bit different, I guess. I've seen some sexualized Miqo'te NPCs, but I swear to have seen many more normal ones. Besides, the harem tribe setting gives me the impression that females only mate with the Nunh for the sake of perpetuating their tribe, not because they're interested in sexual affairs for the sake of them.

I don't know, I actually don't understand Miqo'tes at all ^^;
It's beyond me that a sentient creature wouldn't have personal preferences when it comes to attraction towards other beings, and that they'd be unable to experiment emotions like possessiveness or jealousy. I simply don't understand how their harem system works, for it sounds so mechanical.

RE: Perception of races? - LeCard - 11-06-2013

(11-06-2013, 03:30 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(11-06-2013, 02:49 PM)Ildur Wrote: Miqo'te NPC characterization is all over the place. You have a bunch of serious, non-sexualized Miqo'te around, but the ammount of Miqo'te that have weird "cat-like" quirks or who are sexualized in some way is kind of staggering.

I can only think of 3 female Miqo'te NPCs that are serious and non-sexual, at least that I have encountered.  There's the leader of the Maelstrom, the NPC you work with in the Arcanist questline, and Y'shotla (sp?).  I guess you could count the Coeurlclaw Poachers?  Otherwise, every single female Miqo I've seen that's an NPC has been a hooker or a dancing girl.

There's even an otherwise serious NPC in Gridania (a questgiver) who uses the word "meow" in place of "now."  I wanted to choke someone when I ran into her.  While she's not super sexualized, the NPC is a joke.
The Miqo that "instructs" you durring the Archer quest line is serious. and I think there are several Miqo around in normal cloths doing stuff like handing out fliers. ((i'd have to wander around looking for them for specifics))
Also, the Summoner questline has a Scholarly Miqo you get your quests from. ::thinks:: I'm sure there are more!

RE: Perception of races? - Ildur - 11-06-2013

There's also a Maelstorm soldier that hands a couple of quests in Aleport. She confuses random wild life being close to the city with attacks. Not a very serious portrayal, but it's more the game playing on the the charcater being unexperienced (and perhaps not very smart) more than on her race's sex appeal of 'cat-likeness'.
Another fairly decent characterization is that of the huntresses of the U tribe who, during quests, are quite normal. It's somewhat offset by the fact you can also witness a couple of villagers doing the flirting animation towards an Immortal Flames soldier in their village... and let's not forget the "people are peeping on our bathing huntresses" quest.

So I'd say that, yes, Miqo'te characterization is all over the place. They do get more emphasis on their sex appeal than any other race: the ammount of Miqo'te concubines and dancers is higher than that of any other race. The only place where I remember seeing non Miqo'te concubines were Costa del Sol, where their population was still largely Miqo'te, and two Midlanders at the entrance of the Golden Bazaar. Oh, and I guess all the waitresses in the Sastasha dungeon aren't all Miqo'tes, either.

RE: Perception of races? - Eve Malusion - 11-06-2013

(11-06-2013, 03:30 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(11-06-2013, 02:49 PM)Ildur Wrote: Miqo'te NPC characterization is all over the place. You have a bunch of serious, non-sexualized Miqo'te around, but the ammount of Miqo'te that have weird "cat-like" quirks or who are sexualized in some way is kind of staggering.

I can only think of 3 female Miqo'te NPCs that are serious and non-sexual, at least that I have encountered.  There's the leader of the Maelstrom, the NPC you work with in the Arcanist questline, and Y'shotla (sp?).  I guess you could count the Coeurlclaw Poachers?  Otherwise, every single female Miqo I've seen that's an NPC has been a hooker or a dancing girl.

There's even an otherwise serious NPC in Gridania (a questgiver) who uses the word "meow" in place of "now."  I wanted to choke someone when I ran into her.  While she's not super sexualized, the NPC is a joke.
The coeurlclaw poachers are actually some of the worst tribes there are in regards to this. If you see the FATEs related to them, they're all basically the harem of the "Coeurlclaw King". That tribe has always bothered me because, as far as I know, they're literally the only Keeper of the Moon tribe you can see NPCs of in a tribal culture, and they're all presented as concubines to their king even though lore says keepers are supposed to be a matriarchy (some of them literally being named "Coeurlclaw Concubine").

RE: Perception of races? - LeCard - 11-06-2013

(11-06-2013, 07:42 PM)Eve Malusion Wrote:
(11-06-2013, 03:30 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(11-06-2013, 02:49 PM)Ildur Wrote: Miqo'te NPC characterization is all over the place. You have a bunch of serious, non-sexualized Miqo'te around, but the ammount of Miqo'te that have weird "cat-like" quirks or who are sexualized in some way is kind of staggering.

I can only think of 3 female Miqo'te NPCs that are serious and non-sexual, at least that I have encountered.  There's the leader of the Maelstrom, the NPC you work with in the Arcanist questline, and Y'shotla (sp?).  I guess you could count the Coeurlclaw Poachers?  Otherwise, every single female Miqo I've seen that's an NPC has been a hooker or a dancing girl.

There's even an otherwise serious NPC in Gridania (a questgiver) who uses the word "meow" in place of "now."  I wanted to choke someone when I ran into her.  While she's not super sexualized, the NPC is a joke.
The coeurlclaw poachers are actually some of the worst tribes there are in regards to this. If you see the FATEs related to them, they're all basically the harem of the "Coeurlclaw King". That tribe has always bothered me because, as far as I know, they're literally the only Keeper of the Moon tribe you can see NPCs of in a tribal culture, and they're all presented as concubines to their king even though lore says keepers are supposed to be a matriarchy (some of them literally being named "Coeurlclaw Concubine").


I cannot remember If they are related or not, but I think the main "villian" from the archer quest line is one of the Coeurlclaw and is called the leader. Though it could be another clan all together, and Either way the leader is a strong female Miqo who is pretty bamf in my opinion. Maybe someone who paid more attention to the Archer lore can tell you more, but The group seemed less sexually obsessed and more focused on keeping Seekers together as one.

But yes, that FATE is weird and stupid(but so good for EXP)

RE: Perception of races? - LiadansWhisper - 11-06-2013

(11-06-2013, 07:42 PM)Eve Malusion Wrote:
(11-06-2013, 03:30 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(11-06-2013, 02:49 PM)Ildur Wrote: Miqo'te NPC characterization is all over the place. You have a bunch of serious, non-sexualized Miqo'te around, but the ammount of Miqo'te that have weird "cat-like" quirks or who are sexualized in some way is kind of staggering.

I can only think of 3 female Miqo'te NPCs that are serious and non-sexual, at least that I have encountered.  There's the leader of the Maelstrom, the NPC you work with in the Arcanist questline, and Y'shotla (sp?).  I guess you could count the Coeurlclaw Poachers?  Otherwise, every single female Miqo I've seen that's an NPC has been a hooker or a dancing girl.

There's even an otherwise serious NPC in Gridania (a questgiver) who uses the word "meow" in place of "now."  I wanted to choke someone when I ran into her.  While she's not super sexualized, the NPC is a joke.
The coeurlclaw poachers are actually some of the worst tribes there are in regards to this. If you see the FATEs related to them, they're all basically the harem of the "Coeurlclaw King". That tribe has always bothered me because, as far as I know, they're literally the only Keeper of the Moon tribe you can see NPCs of in a tribal culture, and they're all presented as concubines to their king even though lore says keepers are supposed to be a matriarchy (some of them literally being named "Coeurlclaw Concubine").

I was actually thinking of the NPC you run into in the main storyline quest, and the Leve quests out there.  I think I've done the Coeurlclaw King Fate maybe...twice?  I had never actually looked closely at the adds (they were usually dead by the time I got there xD) but that is really strange.

I feel like the Lore people and the quest/NPC design people just haven't been talking to one another very much.  :-\

RE: Perception of races? - Edgar - 11-06-2013

(11-06-2013, 01:53 PM)Magellan Wrote: lore seems to strongly support a sexual culture for tribal kitties, whereas those who grew up in cities would probably be more conservative.

Have you been to Ul'Dah, recently? There's a trio of female Miqo'te dancers there.

RE: Perception of races? - Erik Mynhier - 11-06-2013

Erik is married to a Keeper, his mother is from Ishgard, served with Roes in the military, and has lived in Ul'dah for over 15 years, so he tends to treat Lalas with the up most respect. So he tends to act in diversity.

RE: Perception of races? - Naunet - 11-07-2013

(11-06-2013, 10:34 PM)EVGSovereign Wrote:
(11-06-2013, 01:53 PM)Magellan Wrote: lore seems to strongly support a sexual culture for tribal kitties, whereas those who grew up in cities would probably be more conservative.

Have you been to Ul'Dah, recently? There's a trio of female Miqo'te dancers there.

Indeed. If anything, the sexual objectivity of Seeker miqo'te may quite possibly be a construct of the cosmopolitan, "civilized" parts of Eorzea. It's certainly not something you see in the U tribe.

RE: Perception of races? - shotgunbadger - 11-07-2013

Yea I've always liked the RP logic that in the big cities you find 'catgirls' playing to fetish and stereotype because of how many outsiders built them up, but outside of that it's a rare thing. It kinda makes sense in that way, and it makes stuff less awkward.

For my characters, Drunken Comet makes tons of use of the whole 'savage Roegadyn' stereotype. Since she spent most all of her life as a mercenary and gladiator if people think she's just a dumb meat-head they get caught off guard by her tactical mindset or magics. By the same token she tends to view other races as weaker, even if they're in martial jobs or the like, though recently she's gained some respect for the Miqo'te abilities.

RE: Perception of races? - Freemoon - 11-07-2013

(11-06-2013, 10:34 PM)EVGSovereign Wrote:
(11-06-2013, 01:53 PM)Magellan Wrote: lore seems to strongly support a sexual culture for tribal kitties, whereas those who grew up in cities would probably be more conservative.

Have you been to Ul'Dah, recently? There's a trio of female Miqo'te dancers there.

They may not be from Ul'dah originally.  They may have come there later and use their dancing talents as a means to make money, not unlike people who perform on the streets of large cities (not to be confused with people who "work the streets" in large cities).  For some reason, it doesn't seem out of place to me in Ul'dah, but I'd find it strange to see it in Gridania.  Limsa Lominsa could go either way.

But that is just my opinion based on my own impressions from the lore and storylines of the different cities, and I could be way off.