(10-06-2014, 12:07 PM)Nako Wrote:

(10-06-2014, 11:53 AM)Aya Wrote:

(10-06-2014, 10:51 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: My personal reasoning for the Curtana overflow is simply that, since the weapon is basically an artifact of wide repute, smiths began forging weapons in a similar manner. It's the only sword in the game of that size and width, and there's plenty of reason for those to be desirable qualities in a sword. I try to think of them less as knock-offs and more of homage type weapons.

I really don't understand the hangup over this, in general.  There are so few weapon models in this game, and that just happens to be one of the most popular.  Although it is "Curtana" I don't really think that even has to be referenced in dealing with the player version.  Its just a neat looking sword and shield that smiths make.  Why bother calling it a replica?

Maybe I'm just not getting something.. but I guess I think we need a little more suspension of disbelief here, or we're going to have to start coming up with a good explanation why there are only a couple dozen different sets of clothes in the world.

It's a replica because there is lore behind /that/ particular model, as with Zanetsuken.

(10-06-2014, 11:58 AM)Sounsyy Wrote:

(10-06-2014, 11:53 AM)Aya Wrote: ...we're going to have to start coming up with a good explanation why there are only a couple dozen different sets of clothes in the world.

If Otto has his way, we'll all just be wearing striped pants before long.

(10-06-2014, 12:34 PM)Aya Wrote:

(10-06-2014, 12:07 PM)Nako Wrote:

(10-06-2014, 11:53 AM)Aya Wrote:

(10-06-2014, 10:51 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: My personal reasoning for the Curtana overflow is simply that, since the weapon is basically an artifact of wide repute, smiths began forging weapons in a similar manner. It's the only sword in the game of that size and width, and there's plenty of reason for those to be desirable qualities in a sword. I try to think of them less as knock-offs and more of homage type weapons.

I really don't understand the hangup over this, in general.  There are so few weapon models in this game, and that just happens to be one of the most popular.  Although it is "Curtana" I don't really think that even has to be referenced in dealing with the player version.  Its just a neat looking sword and shield that smiths make.  Why bother calling it a replica?

Maybe I'm just not getting something.. but I guess I think we need a little more suspension of disbelief here, or we're going to have to start coming up with a good explanation why there are only a couple dozen different sets of clothes in the world.

It's a replica because there is lore behind /that/ particular model, as with Zanetsuken.

My entire point is that if you take the model literally, and thus have to hand wave it away lore-wise, then we are unable to suspend disbelief on the nature of items in the game itself.  If we take that model literally, then there are only a handful of clothing designs in the entire world. 

Models are representative, not definitive.  Well ~ I think they should be, anyway! ^_^

(10-06-2014, 12:34 PM)Aya Wrote:

(10-06-2014, 12:07 PM)Nako Wrote:

(10-06-2014, 11:53 AM)Aya Wrote:

(10-06-2014, 10:51 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: My personal reasoning for the Curtana overflow is simply that, since the weapon is basically an artifact of wide repute, smiths began forging weapons in a similar manner. It's the only sword in the game of that size and width, and there's plenty of reason for those to be desirable qualities in a sword. I try to think of them less as knock-offs and more of homage type weapons.

I really don't understand the hangup over this, in general.  There are so few weapon models in this game, and that just happens to be one of the most popular.  Although it is "Curtana" I don't really think that even has to be referenced in dealing with the player version.  Its just a neat looking sword and shield that smiths make.  Why bother calling it a replica?

Maybe I'm just not getting something.. but I guess I think we need a little more suspension of disbelief here, or we're going to have to start coming up with a good explanation why there are only a couple dozen different sets of clothes in the world.

It's a replica because there is lore behind /that/ particular model, as with Zanetsuken.

My entire point is that if you take the model literally, and thus have to hand wave it away lore-wise, then we are unable to suspend disbelief on the nature of items in the game itself.  If we take that model literally, then there are only a handful of clothing designs in the entire world. 

Models are representative, not definitive.  Well ~ I think they should be, anyway! ^_^

(10-06-2014, 09:01 PM)Nako Wrote: In Real Life there were very few different styles of armour, and most weapons shared the same look, so in fact it makes sense for there to be very few clothing designs, well weapon and armour. As for clothing, beyond the materials that it was made out of, most clothing also shared the same basic patterns, so again, it makes sense.

(10-06-2014, 09:36 PM)Aya Wrote:

(10-06-2014, 09:01 PM)Nako Wrote: In Real Life there were very few different styles of armour, and most weapons shared the same look, so in fact it makes sense for there to be very few clothing designs, well weapon and armour. As for clothing, beyond the materials that it was made out of, most clothing also shared the same basic patterns, so again, it makes sense.

*blinks*  What?

Quote:Without her circlet on, Rena's power and agility increases fivefold, making her almost like a demi-Primal, but she is not overpowered, as it is still possible for her to be stopped by people like Nik, who makes sure to put a new circlet on her to calm her down.

(10-31-2014, 01:23 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: I just wanna go on the record and say that it's great that you're open to criticism on these sorts of things.

Regarding Rena, I think your homage to Monkey King is a bit... turned up. While the prehensile tail is a bit much depending on the user you ask (feline tails are far from prehensile), the depowering when grabbed and dampening-circlet push lore by the wayside. Super Modes are generally difficult to work in when most of your compatriots are playing normal mortals, and this line in particular raises my eyebrow:

Quote:Without her circlet on, Rena's power and agility increases fivefold, making her almost like a demi-Primal, but she is not overpowered, as it is still possible for her to be stopped by people like Nik, who makes sure to put a new circlet on her to calm her down.

Define "people like Nik?" If Niklas is the pinnacle of human potential, then you run into the problem of her not being OP by Warrior of Light standards, which still means she would crush normal fighters by the bucketloads.

Regarding Doma, tangling that sort of backstory with an Ala Mhigan would take some tricky dancing. Also, writing this makes me realize you did say "hyur" when you were rerolling her.

This sort of thing got addressed a lot in the Retconning thread. Rena's already established as having been around, and she's interacted a bit with people (didn't she fight at Otto's thing recently?). Suddenly retooling her into an entirely different character will be jarring for them, especially because there's a race change on top of a background change on top of a character shift. You need to be very careful when transplanting someone like this, because a lot of folks who know her might just not get it.

My general advice is stay away from innate hidden powers. Let the character speak for the character, not the templates and super moves. As always, take everything I suggest with a grain (or a shaker) of salt; My advice hardly represents the majority opinion here.

(10-31-2014, 01:29 PM)Niklas Gran Wrote: Thanks for the advice. As for becoming Hyur, I'm thinking of putting in that she finds a potion somewhere, drinks it, and suddenly becomes Hyur, ala Kage. But you're right I gotta be careful. This is almost like doing surgery: one mess-up, and I'm done for. Sometimes I can't handle the pressure like this.

(10-31-2014, 01:37 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:

(10-31-2014, 01:29 PM)Niklas Gran Wrote: Thanks for the advice. As for becoming Hyur, I'm thinking of putting in that she finds a potion somewhere, drinks it, and suddenly becomes Hyur, ala Kage. But you're right I gotta be careful. This is almost like doing surgery: one mess-up, and I'm done for. Sometimes I can't handle the pressure like this.

Pshaw, roleplay isn't so serious that you'd be in any real trouble. Just takes some getting used to when someone is suddenly someone else. Fantasia's been used enough and if you wanted to go that route, not many folks would have room to argue.

If you're wanting her to have been Doman, though, that's still tricky. You could have her as having been secreted away as a baby and her heritage drawing back to there, but Domans have only extremely recently arrived on Eorzean soil so trying to explain her as having traveled years ago is a bit questionable. It's not unreasonable to have her being raised in Ala Mhigo but unaware of the place of her birth, but that also won't really make her "doman" in the traditional sense of the word.

Your options seem to be either gently nudging the history (Oops! She was a secret Doman baby the whole time!) and letting it alter very little of your story or going whole-hog and smashing it to pieces (Rena as we knew her is retconned entirely, New Rena is a wholely different person who now comes from Doma).

Quote:Rena is a unique Miqo'te from Doma in the Far East, born there with no parents, and then found a family in the Opo tribe who found her alone. She was raised there until she was 12, where she went berserk and wiped out most of the Opo tribe with her excruciating aether. The Nunh of the tribe decided to seal her away in a mountain in Coerthas for years where she stayed there for 8 years until she was saved by a 20-year old Niklas, who, unlike today, was a hardass back then.