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RE: Eorzean Emigrants - Sounsyy - 01-16-2015
(01-16-2015, 05:01 PM)Gegenji Wrote: This sounds like a job for the Sounsyy signal, but I'll try to answer what I can.
1. As far as I understand, Eorzea consists of the continents of Vylbrand (where the La Noscea areas lie as well as the ruins of Nym) and Aldenard (which consists of Gridania, Thanalan, Coerthas, and Mor Dhona). Doma is on the continent of Othard and is under Garlean occupation, while I believe Garlemald and Sharlayan are also considered as outside Eorzea. Ala Mhigo I believe is still technically in Thanalan and thus also part of Eorzea, but I am uncertain.
Sorry Chacha but had to correct this a bit. ;P
Geography lesson!
There are three (3) Great Continents: Aldenard, Ilsabard, and Othard. Aldenard to the West, Ilsabard to the North, Othard to the East.
"Eorzea" is a region consisting of the continent of Aldenard and its surrounding islands: Vylbrand, Cieldalaes, Bianaq, Mazlaya, and The Pearl.
Within Eorzea there are(were until recently) six city-states controlling regions of Eorzea.
1) Ul'dah controls the southern, desert region of Thanalan. The Sagolii Desert on the Southern borders of Thanalan is controlled by the Amalj'aa as well as Paglth'an to the East.
2) To the Northeast lies Gridania within the Black Shroud. Surrounding the Black Shroud or "Twelveswood" is a magical barrier called the Hedge.
3) Further East lies the region of Gyr Abania, formerly controlled by the Kingdom of Ala Mhigo. This region lies in the foothills of the Xelphatol Mountains to the far north of Aldenard, reaching up into Ilsabard via the landbridge.
4) Moving West from Gyr Abania into the Xelphatol Mountains lies the Holy See of Ishgard. This nation sits upon the peaks of Xelphatol and on the southern rim of the Sea of Clouds, a vast expanse of clouds separating the Farreach from the rest of Eorzea.
5) Further West from Ishgard, on the edge of the Dravanian borders lies the abandoned city-state of Sharlayan. This city was established by immigrant Sharlayans from the island of Sharlayan in the North Seas of the Bloodbrine with the purpose of studying Eorzean culture. They fled back north to their island home after peace negotiations failed 20 years ago.
6) South across the Indigo Deep from Sharlayan lies the Thalassocracy of Limsa Lominsa. Until recently, Limsa Lominsa did not claim dominion over any of the La Noscea region, but instead controlled all Eorzean waters and protected trade routes in the Five Seas. The region of La Noscea, which consists of the portion of Vylbrand south of Mount O'Ghomoro, was (until about 10 years ago) controlled by the Kobolds.
Going beyond Eorzea and the other Great Continents, there are some additional continents and islands of note:
1) Across the Sea of Jade to the East of Gyr Abania lies the island nation of Thavnair, commonly referred to as the "Near East." This island lies somewhere between Aldenard and Othard in the Jade Sea.
2) To the far South across the Rhotano Sea lies the continent of Meracydia. All we know about this continent is that 5000 years ago it was once at war with the Allagan Empire and was the only place the Allagans had not conquered in their pursuit of world dominion.
3) To the far west across the Indigo Deep lies the "New World," a mysterious continent discovered by Merlwyb Bloefhiswyn in the Year 1556 of the Sixth Astral Era, before she became Admiral. We don't know much about the place other than it's where popotoes come from and it may be the Miqo'te home continent.
4) There's also mention of a floating continent called "Ayatlan" in the Ixali tongue, but (and there are several theories on this!) may become readily known as "Aeolia" when Heavensward drops later this year. This continent is believed to be the sacred birthplace of the Ixali and is only accessible by flight.
(01-16-2015, 05:20 PM)Rosalind Wrote: They're [Lalafell] native to Thanalan, as a race, I think I remember reading--so I'm guessing your lala ancestors must have emigrated to Doma themselves at some point way back.
Wanted to make a quick point of this. There are no (known) native races to Eorzea. Lalafell immigrated to Eorzea many thousands of years ago from the islands of the South Seas and beyond. This has led to the belief that Plainsfolk originate from the Cieldalaes and Dunesfolk are from Meracydia's northern coast or from another South Seas Isle that is a desert.
Elezen are from the northlands, so Ilsabard. Roegadyn are a sea-faring folk from the North Seas of Bloodbrine who settled in the Farreach of Agalathia's Spine in the Xelphatol Mountains. Miqo'te journeyed to Eorzea via a landbridge during the Age of Endless Frost 3000 years ago. And Hyur are the most recent immigrants, coming to Eorzea roughly 1000 years ago from the East.
(01-16-2015, 05:56 PM)Rosalind Wrote: Oh, Sounsyy, also! You are absolutely right about Urianger! I didn't even think about the Duskwight naming conventions. I am a French-speaker and have noticed the major difference between Wildwood and Duskwight names is that Wildwood names skew toward Medieval French, and Duskwight names, including the Ishgardian noble house of Dzemael, sound like gallicized (frenchified) North African or possibly Basque words.
"Standard" French, especially old French, doesn't make common use of 'z's--but as you can see in these Basque names below, it does quite extensively. The Basque are also known as mountain-dwellers of France's southern mountainous regions. Maybe they were S-E's inspiration? Or maybe the Visigoths?
I did not know this! But this is super cool! =O It's quite possible that was their inspiration, as this fits very well with lore.
RE: Eorzean Emigrants - Kamome - 01-16-2015
You are my lore hero.
Seriously thinking I need to draw out a map for myself to keep track of what we know about the geography of Hydaelyn. Are most of your sources item descriptions from in-game? I remember in FFXI we had zero idea about a lot of world geography save a handful of item descriptions. That is, until S-E gave us the world map around the time the Aht Urghan expansion arrived.
RE: Eorzean Emigrants - Sounsyy - 01-16-2015
(01-16-2015, 07:31 PM)Rosalind Wrote: You are my lore hero.
Seriously thinking I need to draw out a map for myself to keep track of what we know about the geography of Hydaelyn. Are most of your sources item descriptions from in-game? I remember in FFXI we had zero idea about a lot of world geography save a handful of item descriptions. That is, until S-E gave us the world map around the time the Aht Urghan expansion arrived.
Yeah, much like XI, XIV's lore is very spread out in little snippets all over the place, so piecing it together is a ton of work. I was working on doing this myself, but then my laptop got stolen and I lost a huge amount of work on the project. Haven't really gotten around to picking it back up honestly.
As for a world map, I've actually conceptually made one to the best of my knowledge. Naturally, the continent shapes are theoretical, but Fernehalwes confirmed plate tectonics and continental drift, so I've actually shaped the continents with that in mind as if they fit together like puzzle pieces.
But we have enough lore to piece most things together.
RE: Eorzean Emigrants - Kamome - 01-16-2015
If you'd ever be interested in getting a Google Doc going and want any help documenting the lore, Sounsyy, I would love to help out as soon I have more in-game experience and community cred. Have you posted your approximate map anywhere on the forums? I ran a search and couldn't find it.
Anyroad, a giant thank you to everyone who posted in this thread. I feel so much more confident about being able to RP within the lore, now, and a lot less nervous about finalizing a character.Â
Someone PM'd me and explained that character transfers aren't affected by the creation restrictions so I may be arriving on Balmung over the weekend (I originally planned to smuggle a new character on after maintenance on the 19th).
Nako'li, Gegenji, Chris and Sounsyy--thank you so much for your time answering my newbie questions. See you in Eorzea soon and around the forums, too!
RE: Eorzean Emigrants - Seriphyn - 01-16-2015
(01-16-2015, 06:28 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: Within Eorzea there are(were until recently) six city-states controlling regions of Eorzea.
1) Ul'dah controls the southern, desert region of Thanalan. The Sagolii Desert on the Eastern borders of Thanalan is controlled by the Amalj'aa.
Actually, you mean Paglth'an, which is a grassland region to the east of Thanalan!
RE: Eorzean Emigrants - Kamome - 01-16-2015
(01-16-2015, 09:10 PM)Seriphyn Wrote:(01-16-2015, 06:28 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: Within Eorzea there are(were until recently) six city-states controlling regions of Eorzea.
1) Ul'dah controls the southern, desert region of Thanalan. The Sagolii Desert on the Eastern borders of Thanalan is controlled by the Amalj'aa.
Actually, you mean Paglth'an, which is a grassland region to the east of Thanalan!
Oh, nice--this is super useful. I was wondering about that. Sagolii is in the game, and puny, right? The character I had intended to be my main has a lot of background involving (attempting) fighting the Amalj'aa so I've been trying to gather up more information about them, militarily-speaking.
Thanks, Kale!
RE: Eorzean Emigrants - Hyakki - 01-16-2015
(01-16-2015, 05:12 PM)Nakoli Chalahko Wrote: the invasion of Doma was indeed recent, but I feel that whoever was left after the first wave left would have been slaughtered for their attempt at seceeding from the empire.Domans are still escaping by ship, as of 2.4. (talking to NPCs is important)
The people I refered to in my post were natives of Ala Mhigo (the invasion of which was 20 years ago)
so I feel I was not as clear in my answer as I could have been.
to whit. two waves of imigrants. one twenty years ago from Ala Mhigo. One recently from Doma, and likelyhood of new refugees from Ala Mhigo is low due to the brain washing done by the empire
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RE: Eorzean Emigrants - Sounsyy - 01-16-2015
(01-16-2015, 09:27 PM)Rosalind Wrote:(01-16-2015, 09:10 PM)Seriphyn Wrote:(01-16-2015, 06:28 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: Within Eorzea there are(were until recently) six city-states controlling regions of Eorzea.
1) Ul'dah controls the southern, desert region of Thanalan. The Sagolii Desert on the Eastern borders of Thanalan is controlled by the Amalj'aa.
Actually, you mean Paglth'an, which is a grassland region to the east of Thanalan!
Oh, nice--this is super useful. I was wondering about that. Sagolii is in the game, and puny, right? The character I had intended to be my main has a lot of background involving (attempting) fighting the Amalj'aa so I've been trying to gather up more information about them, militarily-speaking.
Thanks, Kale!
Paglth'an is the Amalj'aa homeland, which lies across the Bay of Dha'yuz. However, after the summoning of their god, Ifrit, the Amalj'aa have invaded Thanalan and claimed the southern reaches of Thanalan and the northern reaches of the Sagolii Desert as their own, naming the region "Zahar'ak" which means "Land of Perseverance." They believe this land is blessed by Ifrit and seek to rid it of taint. ie. Ul'dah.
EDIT: fixed. Kale is correct. Paglth'an is east of Thanalan, Sagolii is south. I should not try to lore and coil at the same time. Doesn't work well obviously. Also, edited my post to detail more about Paglth'an and Zahar'ak.
RE: Eorzean Emigrants - Aduu Avagnar - 01-16-2015
I bow to superior knowledge relating to the domans. I must admit I have put less efforts there tha  in other areas of lore
RE: Eorzean Emigrants - Kamome - 01-16-2015
(01-16-2015, 10:05 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:(01-16-2015, 09:27 PM)Rosalind Wrote:(01-16-2015, 09:10 PM)Seriphyn Wrote:(01-16-2015, 06:28 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: Within Eorzea there are(were until recently) six city-states controlling regions of Eorzea.
1) Ul'dah controls the southern, desert region of Thanalan. The Sagolii Desert on the Eastern borders of Thanalan is controlled by the Amalj'aa.
Actually, you mean Paglth'an, which is a grassland region to the east of Thanalan!
Oh, nice--this is super useful. I was wondering about that. Sagolii is in the game, and puny, right? The character I had intended to be my main has a lot of background involving (attempting) fighting the Amalj'aa so I've been trying to gather up more information about them, militarily-speaking.
Thanks, Kale!
Paglth'an is the Amalj'aa homeland, which lies across the Sagolii desert. However, after the summoning of their god, Ifrit, the Amalj'aa have invaded the Sagolii desert and claimed the southern reaches of Thanalan as their own, naming the region "Zahar'ak" which means "Land of Perseverance." They believe this land is blessed by Ifrit and seek to rid it of taint. ie. Ul'dah.
So, I did mean what I said. Yes, you are correct in that the Amalj'aa are from Paglth'an, which they still control, but they now also control a large portion of the Sagolii desert. Sorry if my original statement was confusing. ^^;
Oh, that makes sense. Wait--is Sagolii the (contested) border between Thanalan and Paglth'an, then? Or basically like a militarized zone like Kashmir?
RE: Eorzean Emigrants - Kamome - 01-16-2015
Also, I feel like I have a pretty solid concept in mind for a Doman-originating character, now. I'm going to post my pages in the wiki page thread over the weekend for some lore-checks. Going to try and keep them much shorter and sweeter than my OP.
And Sounsyy--the Sagolii thing wasn't unclear--I just got confused because I thought Sagolii was fairly peaceful and populated by the Seeker of the Sun miqo'te tribes because of the character creation snippet about them.
RE: Eorzean Emigrants - Kamome - 01-16-2015
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RE: Eorzean Emigrants - Sounsyy - 01-16-2015
(01-16-2015, 10:38 PM)Rosalind Wrote:(01-16-2015, 10:05 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: Paglth'an is the Amalj'aa homeland, which lies across the Sagolii desert. However, after the summoning of their god, Ifrit, the Amalj'aa have invaded the Sagolii desert and claimed the southern reaches of Thanalan as their own, naming the region "Zahar'ak" which means "Land of Perseverance." They believe this land is blessed by Ifrit and seek to rid it of taint. ie. Ul'dah.
So, I did mean what I said. Yes, you are correct in that the Amalj'aa are from Paglth'an, which they still control, but they now also control a large portion of the Sagolii desert. Sorry if my original statement was confusing. ^^;
Oh, that makes sense. Wait--is Sagolii the (contested) border between Thanalan and Paglth'an, then? Or basically like a militarized zone like Kashmir?
Merp, so another typo on my part. When I wrote up there "across the Sagolii desert" I should've said across the Bay of Dha'yuz. So the Sagolii desert stretches across the entire southern portion of the Ul'dahn peninsula from Ul'dah to Cape Deadwind. The Amalj'aa homelands are due East from Southern Thanalan across the Bay of Dha'yuz in the region of Paglth'an, which is North East of Thanalan and South of the Black Shroud. So the Amalj'aa have taken control of the Eastern and Southern edges of Thanalan to better colonize Zahar'ak.
Sorry for the confusion! I completely missed that I had said east in my original post instead of south. >< I should really not try to answer lore questions while in Coil. I get distracted and say things in a hurry.
/gives up. /goes to bed. ><
RE: Eorzean Emigrants - Kellach Woods - 01-17-2015
Also, you can just, if you don't like or don't want to be constrained by the future lore of the place, just make shit up.
Worked for me so far.
RE: Eorzean Emigrants - Chris Ganale - 01-17-2015
(01-16-2015, 05:24 PM)Rosalind Wrote:(01-16-2015, 05:13 PM)Chris Ganale Wrote: Most of the lore-based questions have been answered, so I'll just go of note that I have three Doman characters, one of whom was conscripted by Garlemald for a while before she blew up parts of the Ultima Weapon and peaced out.Â
Haha, awesome--do you have an RPC Library page set up for them? Link me? I have been reading that wiki like it's homework lately.
Being trapped on my phone for internet until Sunday, I can't give links but look up Seno Nakakami, Chao Lingshen, and Yuuna Akashi. Ignore the fact that I've done very little work on Yuuna's page and that Seno's is mostly in bullet format.