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RE: Dungeon Anxiety - Kage - 07-13-2015
I feel a lot less stress about tanking than I used, especially as a Warrior. I honestly do not know if I am doing ok, better or if my healers are just making up for my lack of proper cooldown usage. (Most of the time, their MP is good, they're allowed to do some DPS. Some AST and SCH while I leveled in Library scared me though -_- One would let my HP go to 5k)
I used to BLM everything first, then SCH, then tank. I switched to SCH main in Heavensward, then WAR'd to 60 and now I'm starting to level BLM.
I think if you feel a lot of pressure, you can go non-tank first. Honestly, if you're using some cooldowns, not standing in every aoe, and keeping hate, I'm not going to really care about your performance as a tank. If you're new, say so. I wouldn't expect you to know the intricacies of the pulls etc but I will expect hate to not be lost or not standing in aoes. Some things are 'basic'. Knowing what to do in each dungeon when new? Not expected.
RE: Dungeon Anxiety - Addison - 07-13-2015
As a healer, I definitely feel the anxiety.
I think I'm going to start hunting for a static, because while the majority of people in this thread don't seem to have issues, I seem to always get stuck with the diva 'too cool for school' tanks who don't want to wait for MP, pull while I'm watching a cutscene, then bitch when I state that I've never done dungeon A.
RE: Dungeon Anxiety - Griffith! - 07-13-2015
Well, I'm free.
RE: Dungeon Anxiety - Jean L - 07-14-2015
I don't see a point in being a complete asshole for no reason. People in my experience generally listen when you give advice, there's just a certain way to go about it without sounding confrontational or snippy. Like today I got in a party with two people who hadn't gotten their soul stones at a point when they should and both me and the other DPS explained nicely about the stones and how they'll help them out. Everyone was polite even if we didn't get the dungeon done in the end.Â
I main drg and sometimes I lag while dodging but I haven't gotten verbally (textally???) abused for it. Still, I'm anxious to take damage because people can be really nasty towards DRGs from what I've seen when I mained BRD. (though that was in raids)
I straight up got yelled at for rolling need on something that I did need. (it was the battlemages hat) The guy never even said that he needed it. :l I think most of all I hate people that yell at people over things that they never even bothered to bring up like loot claims. (unless I'm running repeatedly for something I absolutely NEED I'm generally open to giving up claims for non-drg specified gear)
RE: Dungeon Anxiety - Blue - 07-14-2015
I get Guildhest anxiety more than dungeon anxiety, personally. Because I just know 90% of people participating will look for dumb ways to ignore mechanics.
From DPSs ignoring Bubbles in More than a Feeler (ughhh!)
To people killing gargoyles separatedly in Ward up (ughhhhhhh...!)
To the occasional, rare dumbass who kills the gil turtle in Hero of Halfshell (gaaaahhh!)
And of course, the moment you try to give directions, you're branded as asshole, no matter how many "please" you put in your sentence.
RE: Dungeon Anxiety - Qhora Bajihri - 07-14-2015
How much stress I feel in the dungeon queue is directly related to how stressed I am outside the game. It's almost... odd how intensely that works for me. If I'm feeling good otherwise, I don't even bat an eyelash. But if I'm not? I can end up jumping in and out of the queue freaking out about whether or not I really want to do it. And it doesn't even matter which role I'm doing. Well, tanking's worse these days, but I started as tank main, and there was a time where even that didn't make me flinch.
I rarely say a word in groups, unless pushed to do so, whether they're bad or good. If they're bad, I just won't give any commendations. That's as far as my criticism goes. On this side of the keyboard, I'll cuss up a storm, but otherwise, it's not worth getting into it, and my silence never seems to hurt anything.
Before there were random queues, I'd heal&tank for 3 DPS in the junior dungeons, just because people were desperate to get into them any possible way. As a healer, I feel like I can push all but the very worst groups through all but the very worst messes, so that helps ease anxiety. Doing the other roles, I have to rely on other people more, so it's less gentle feeling getting into the queue.
RE: Dungeon Anxiety - Griffith! - 07-14-2015
The funny thing is, I don't get this anxious over tanking in any other game - although, admittedly, tanking was never my thing in WoW, where my focus was overwhelmingly PvP, and I was only ever occasionally a tank in FFXI (where I mained Samurai as soon as it became available.)
I think I might level another class for awhile and see how I feel about DPS. It's just too bad the only sword classes are tanks. I suppose I could try rogue/ninja. The only problem is, how very low all of my other class levels are. I mean, I just got Paladin to a reasonable place.
RE: Dungeon Anxiety - Cliodhna Eoghan - 07-16-2015
there's good and bad pugs.....then there's awful pugs that make me wanna eat that half hour wait time before going back in. if you've been getting a string of bad pugs lately, you'd prolly be better off trying to find some people to run with on a regular basis. even if it's one or two; knowing they have your back cuts down on the stress.
if you're still interested in leveling a dps to try; get them to run with you as well if possible simply because changing "roles" can cause stress too until you get more comfortable running as that class.
RE: Dungeon Anxiety - Enla - 07-16-2015
I get anxious in dungeons for reasons that have nothing to do with the game. Namely because Murphy's Law seems to love sending people to ask my to do things as soon as I start a run even though I checked with them not ten minutes prior to make sure I have some time to myself.
Add onto that the fact that as a healer you are the most likely to get blamed for a bad run and dungeons are never my cup of tea at the best of times. However I've found that so long as I pace myself it isn't too hard to do more than three a day if I truly need the resources that can be gotten from them. Take frequent breaks, if you need to go slow tell people ahead of time and let the jerks sort themselves out. Never -ever- sacrifice your personal well being to get a dungeon done.
RE: Dungeon Anxiety - Griffith! - 07-16-2015
I was really nervous going into Castrum Meridianum and The Praetorium, but turns out I didn't have to be. The party just ran through the thing while I sat there watching cutscenes. They finished both dungeons before I'd made it all the way through the cutscenes. I never even saw a single fight.
I actually feel a little cheated. I mean, my first time through both dungeons, the capstone to the MSQ in 2.0, and I didn't get to fight a single boss. I even told everyone it was my first time and I'd like to see the scenes. The other tank replied "just hit esc". Apparently, though, they didn't need me even a little.
I almost never blame the healer. Usually, they're just doing their best and I don't always make it easy on them. In fact, when I'm handing out commendations, I usually give it to the healer. I think. I don't have the numbers to support that claim.
RE: Dungeon Anxiety - Jariana - 07-16-2015
I can definitely understand feeling anxious about running dungeons, especially when they are new and the mechanics are a bit fuzzy. Admittedly my counter to that is to over prepare both in and out of game. I'll look up every mechanic, watch multiple videos and even annoy various friends for pointers. In game I'm a huge fan of trying to overgear content, even when leveling. I figure that as a tank I'm a bit of a lynchpin, so making sure that pin is as strong as possible is helpful.
RE: Dungeon Anxiety - Griffith! - 07-16-2015
I always over-prepare - it's why I get insulted when somebody suggests I don't know my job. I know my job - I've already read three different guides and watched five videos from different perspectives. Trust me, if I mess up it's because I suck, not because I don't know my job.
I use Spirits Within whenever it's up - I just kind of insert it into the rotation wherever I happen to be. Circle of Scorn has a 25 second cooldown, so I usually just use it every other full rotation - Fast Blade through Flash twice and then Circle of Scorn. In numbers, there's a 2.5 second cooldown on each of those skills, so it takes 20 seconds to get through a full rotation (give or take a second or two for discrepancy and player error). With the occasional Shield Swipe or Bash and the Spirits Within, it usually works out to about 25 seconds.
I switch targets in large groups, though usually only after a full rotation (Fast Blade through Flash) on one target - in groups of just two or three mobs, I tend to focus on one target and only switch off if I notice enmity lagging or if the DPS is focused on a mob I didn't mark.
But that's all more or less in theory. In game, there's add grabbing and positioning and canceling enemy attacks and dodging AoEs and those dozen other things you have to watch out for, so admittedly, I'm not always great. I panic and lose focus, or I get too tunnel-vision on one aspect and mess up another. Usual, panicky, by the seat of the pants stuff.
My original rant wasn't really an accurate reflection of play, though - I was just citing the basic, barebones rotation and therefore, how often I actually flash (roughly once every eight to twelve seconds) as a counterpoint to the contention that I should flash more.
RE: Dungeon Anxiety - Boo the Hamster - 07-16-2015
(07-16-2015, 02:06 PM)Griffith! Wrote: Off-Topic RantingSounds like they have more gear than you as well as some inefficiency. Even with the shield swipe buffs, shield swipe is not good for enmity generation at 50 and above, and shouldn't be used unless you are dry on TP. If you're doing level 50 content, I usually do Flash>Circle of Scorn>Fast>Savage>Rage on priority tank target. That's usually enough. See what dps are hitting first. If they're aoe'ing, then yes, your best bet is to spam flash. If they're single targetting, do the above and see if that changes anything. 'Flash moar' is something only the ignorant would say on single target, since it generates less threat than your 1-2-3.
What's your item level on paladin?
As to stress? I don't feel stress unless I'm in raid content anymore. Dungeons are dungeons, and expecting to hold aggro against people in raid gear is not something I would expect if I am in greens or blues that are not from the latest raid or gear with an equal ilvl. Of course, I don't have a tank leveled to 60 yet so I can't say what it's like then, but I've seen no issues outside of Dragoons who do the optimal rotation. They rip threat like nobody's business.
RE: Dungeon Anxiety - Griffith! - 07-16-2015
My item level is only 75. So pretty low, I know. A lot of people have out-geared me, but I have slacked off a lot on my main since I decided to take a break from tanking. It's just not easy to catch up, especially when you're dreading instances.
RE: Dungeon Anxiety - MostlyAwol - 07-16-2015
As a tank in most MMOs I played I get this and mostly due to WoW and pugs. I hate it. I quit WoW and played other games to come back to FFXIV (Well Neverwinter Online first) on a friends request only to find out I will be required to run dungeons to advance. I don't regret it but hate every time I have to go to Duty Finder for the next group activity. Doesn't matter how often I watch Youtube videos or run the dungeon its the silent judging that I believe is coming from 3 other strangers in the game.
Yes I know it stupid especially when I've been told many times I'm a good tank by many people. I do get over it though as I want to continue to see this game but I do limit how often I do it. Now with friends or Company mates I don't have this issue even if the company mates are complete strangers.