(10-08-2015, 04:41 PM)Faye Wrote:

(10-08-2015, 04:39 PM)Garalona Wrote: Two Miqo'te falling in love and deciding to become monogamous, or one Miqo'te deciding they have a one true love and damn the consequences, is hardly comparable to "we're actually Titan and Shiva and we're married" in terms of lore fuckery.

Dang, y'all, please chill.

Most people have been supportive, though...? I'm not really sure who needs to chill. I don't get why people see arguments where there are none.

(10-08-2015, 04:52 PM)SicketySix Wrote:

(10-08-2015, 04:41 PM)Faye Wrote:

(10-08-2015, 04:39 PM)Garalona Wrote: Two Miqo'te falling in love and deciding to become monogamous, or one Miqo'te deciding they have a one true love and damn the consequences, is hardly comparable to "we're actually Titan and Shiva and we're married" in terms of lore fuckery.

Dang, y'all, please chill.

Most people have been supportive, though...? I'm not really sure who needs to chill. I don't get why people see arguments where there are none.

I think we're referring to the few "its against the lore" related replies.

(10-08-2015, 01:07 PM)Mia Moui Wrote:

(10-08-2015, 11:29 AM)Teadrinker Wrote:

(10-08-2015, 11:11 AM)Mia Moui Wrote: I've been thinking about this a little more and there's a biological situation with Miqo'te that's hard to ignore.  Unless a female Miqo'te is willing to become monogamous and have mixed-race children (something the lore suggests is very frowned upon), Miqo'te would rapidly become extinct if the precious few males that existed chose to become monogamous. 

I feel like for both Seekers and Keepers, regardless of how they feel about culture or how integrated they've become, the issue of reproduction and the very limited stock of males would need to be addressed.  Obviously, one only needs a single male to propagate an entire species.  Even so, I think that Miqo'te females could be monogamous if they want, but Miqo'te males wouldn't be encouraged to be so.  

If the birthrate is something like 20 or 30 to 1, monogamy would quickly exhaust the supply of Miqo'te males.  If something like that were happening in our society, monogamy would seem like an extremely selfish choice, perhaps a choice that's simply not allowed.

But if relationship/romantic monogamy was what was being prized, then it may not matter.  Reproduction would be more akin to duty, not something that invites romance or long-term relationships.  This way a Hyur and a Miqo'te could be eternally bonded but if they wanted children, the female would make it known (however Seekers or Keepers let males know they're ready for that).  This avoids the problem of mixed race offspring (which again, the lore suggests his highly frowned upon).

I know that lots of people play Miqo'te as though they are Hyur with cat ears but the cold fact of their reproductive biology suggests that reproductive monogamy simply isn't feasible.  I imagine that such a problem would invite all kinds of exciting drama in an otherwise emotionally/romantic monogamous relationship.

The simplest solution is polyamory but that word suggests love and I think that's a little strong.  Reproductive surrogate might be closer to the role a male Miqo'te would have to play, regardless of their emotional/romantic status.

Mathematically, you are correct.

People aren't going to play that way though and trying to force them to is not a battle you want to undertake.

Since it's been suggested mixed breeds are now possible, even really weird ones that we have UTTERLY no visual base for like Miqo/Aura or Roe/Lala ... It's pretty much taken these kinds of arguments out behind the shed.

Personally, I roll my eyes a little when I see really exotic pregnant couples wandering around but it's not lorebreaking. It makes a whole lot more sense for the females of both tribes to be city cats and not males but that's not gonna stop you from seeing Ul'dah populated with Nunhs.

It's just the way it is. Can't change it and you're not gonna have much fun if you focus on it too much.

Unless the fun comes from trying to stick within the lore as much as possible and choosing to play with others who feel similarly. 

This isn't about trying to control the RP of others.  I can't stop people from playing as though they are vampire zombie aliens from another dimension.  I just wouldn't be likely to play with them, at least not on a IC basis.  I'll dungeon and raid with anyone, anytime.

But having lurked here for weeks before starting to play the game, it seems like every time something like this comes up, others get on to defend their right or anyone else's right to play how they want.  The problem is, no one is telling them not to play a certain way.  It's usually someone asking about how or if one thing can or cannot be done within the lore of the world.  It's up to the player to decide if they'll go along with it or not.  No one is taking away someone's freedom or suggesting or demanding that other players should change.

I like the lore.  I like to play within the confines because it makes me become more creative to do what I want within the limitations. My entire commentary was about what would almost certainly have to be the case if someone WAS going to stick to the lore.  If a player doesn't want to, go ahead and be the Eorzean version of Batman, I don't care.

I play this game because I like the world, the lore, the characters, the story.  I like to weave my own story along with it.  I don't start with my character first.  I start with the world and try to think about what influence it would have on my character. Then I tell my character's story with those influences in mind.  Just like real life, my characters are bound to their world, it's history and their own past.

I'm not and would never ask anyone else to do the same.

(10-08-2015, 04:57 PM)Faye Wrote:

(10-08-2015, 04:52 PM)SicketySix Wrote:

(10-08-2015, 04:41 PM)Faye Wrote:

(10-08-2015, 04:39 PM)Garalona Wrote: Two Miqo'te falling in love and deciding to become monogamous, or one Miqo'te deciding they have a one true love and damn the consequences, is hardly comparable to "we're actually Titan and Shiva and we're married" in terms of lore fuckery.

Dang, y'all, please chill.

Most people have been supportive, though...? I'm not really sure who needs to chill. I don't get why people see arguments where there are none.

I think we're referring to the few "its against the lore" related replies.

Could you point out those few, then? Because I seem to be failing to find them.

(10-08-2015, 05:02 PM)SicketySix Wrote:

(10-08-2015, 01:07 PM)Mia Moui Wrote:

(10-08-2015, 11:29 AM)Teadrinker Wrote:

(10-08-2015, 11:11 AM)Mia Moui Wrote: I've been thinking about this a little more and there's a biological situation with Miqo'te that's hard to ignore.  Unless a female Miqo'te is willing to become monogamous and have mixed-race children (something the lore suggests is very frowned upon), Miqo'te would rapidly become extinct if the precious few males that existed chose to become monogamous. 

I feel like for both Seekers and Keepers, regardless of how they feel about culture or how integrated they've become, the issue of reproduction and the very limited stock of males would need to be addressed.  Obviously, one only needs a single male to propagate an entire species.  Even so, I think that Miqo'te females could be monogamous if they want, but Miqo'te males wouldn't be encouraged to be so.  

If the birthrate is something like 20 or 30 to 1, monogamy would quickly exhaust the supply of Miqo'te males.  If something like that were happening in our society, monogamy would seem like an extremely selfish choice, perhaps a choice that's simply not allowed.

But if relationship/romantic monogamy was what was being prized, then it may not matter.  Reproduction would be more akin to duty, not something that invites romance or long-term relationships.  This way a Hyur and a Miqo'te could be eternally bonded but if they wanted children, the female would make it known (however Seekers or Keepers let males know they're ready for that).  This avoids the problem of mixed race offspring (which again, the lore suggests his highly frowned upon).

I know that lots of people play Miqo'te as though they are Hyur with cat ears but the cold fact of their reproductive biology suggests that reproductive monogamy simply isn't feasible.  I imagine that such a problem would invite all kinds of exciting drama in an otherwise emotionally/romantic monogamous relationship.

The simplest solution is polyamory but that word suggests love and I think that's a little strong.  Reproductive surrogate might be closer to the role a male Miqo'te would have to play, regardless of their emotional/romantic status.

Mathematically, you are correct.

People aren't going to play that way though and trying to force them to is not a battle you want to undertake.

Since it's been suggested mixed breeds are now possible, even really weird ones that we have UTTERLY no visual base for like Miqo/Aura or Roe/Lala ... It's pretty much taken these kinds of arguments out behind the shed.

Personally, I roll my eyes a little when I see really exotic pregnant couples wandering around but it's not lorebreaking. It makes a whole lot more sense for the females of both tribes to be city cats and not males but that's not gonna stop you from seeing Ul'dah populated with Nunhs.

It's just the way it is. Can't change it and you're not gonna have much fun if you focus on it too much.

Unless the fun comes from trying to stick within the lore as much as possible and choosing to play with others who feel similarly. 

This isn't about trying to control the RP of others.  I can't stop people from playing as though they are vampire zombie aliens from another dimension.  I just wouldn't be likely to play with them, at least not on a IC basis.  I'll dungeon and raid with anyone, anytime.

But having lurked here for weeks before starting to play the game, it seems like every time something like this comes up, others get on to defend their right or anyone else's right to play how they want.  The problem is, no one is telling them not to play a certain way.  It's usually someone asking about how or if one thing can or cannot be done within the lore of the world.  It's up to the player to decide if they'll go along with it or not.  No one is taking away someone's freedom or suggesting or demanding that other players should change.

I like the lore.  I like to play within the confines because it makes me become more creative to do what I want within the limitations. My entire commentary was about what would almost certainly have to be the case if someone WAS going to stick to the lore.  If a player doesn't want to, go ahead and be the Eorzean version of Batman, I don't care.

I play this game because I like the world, the lore, the characters, the story.  I like to weave my own story along with it.  I don't start with my character first.  I start with the world and try to think about what influence it would have on my character. Then I tell my character's story with those influences in mind.  Just like real life, my characters are bound to their world, it's history and their own past.

I'm not and would never ask anyone else to do the same.

(10-08-2015, 04:57 PM)Faye Wrote:

(10-08-2015, 04:52 PM)SicketySix Wrote:

(10-08-2015, 04:41 PM)Faye Wrote:

(10-08-2015, 04:39 PM)Garalona Wrote: Two Miqo'te falling in love and deciding to become monogamous, or one Miqo'te deciding they have a one true love and damn the consequences, is hardly comparable to "we're actually Titan and Shiva and we're married" in terms of lore fuckery.

Dang, y'all, please chill.

Most people have been supportive, though...? I'm not really sure who needs to chill. I don't get why people see arguments where there are none.

I think we're referring to the few "its against the lore" related replies.

Could you point out those few, then? Because I seem to be failing to find them.

This one? Though I will admit I may be misunderstand wrong.

(10-08-2015, 05:10 PM)Chris Ganale Wrote: Post #27, also, could have been neatly summed up as "this topic should never have been made" and runs extremely close to suggesting that the OP is wrong for considering this character angle in the first place.

-Stands ready for the incoming mod thumping, but gods dammit, some anvils need to be dropped-

(10-08-2015, 05:14 PM)Faye Wrote:

(10-08-2015, 05:10 PM)Chris Ganale Wrote: Post #27, also, could have been neatly summed up as "this topic should never have been made" and runs extremely close to suggesting that the OP is wrong for considering this character angle in the first place.

-Stands ready for the incoming mod thumping, but gods dammit, some anvils need to be dropped-

Is that wrong, though? If you know you're going against the grain and it could potentially upset people, you could just not do that if it will bother you. And if it won't bother you, then why ask? As she said, the OP and his wife seem set on RPing this. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that; it just seems a little pointless to ask for opinions when they've already made up their minds.

(10-08-2015, 05:18 PM)Chris Ganale Wrote: Maybe some people have crippling self-esteem issues and need to hear "hey, it's okay, you're not a total moron for having that idea". But if that were the case, there's sure as hell better places to seek that kind of validation than this place.

(10-07-2015, 05:36 PM)Oli! Wrote: I'm assuming because this guy wants to have some nice, clean, no-creepers romantic RP with the wife.

(10-07-2015, 05:36 PM)Oli! Wrote:

(10-07-2015, 05:19 PM)Setoh Aliapoh Wrote: What if your Miqo'te weren't monogamous? What if they were bog-standard Miqo'te.

I'm assuming because this guy wants to have some nice, clean, no-creepers romantic RP with the wife.

That said, do what you want OP. It's not standard, so other tribal players might find it strange IC, but it's not a big issue.

(10-08-2015, 05:14 PM)Faye Wrote: Is that wrong, though? If you know you're going against the grain and it could potentially upset people, you could just not do that if it will bother you. And if it won't bother you, then why ask? As she said, the OP and his wife seem set on RPing this. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that; it just seems a little pointless to ask for opinions when they've already made up their minds.