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RE: I challenge you, FCs of Eorzea! - Warren Castille - 11-05-2015

(11-05-2015, 02:23 PM)Riik Wrote: I think I see the point to this, but even so, I still think I'm being misunderstood in terms of what I'm trying to achieve with his thread, but I'm not going to argue if that's the way I'm coming across.

As for my wiki, I'm actually part-way-through re-writing it, mostly editing out parts that were added on a whim (heck I went through a whole nudism phase at some point that I should really edit out of my character wiki, given that I've matured past that and it no longer applies >.<) or segments that make little sense. Also if I can figure a way to spoiler box stuff or something in a way that makes certain spoiler information optional, then I'll add such stuff in, although I'm sorta worried that it might seem a little... weird.

It's also possible a lot of people (me, at the very least) are jaded when it comes to this sort of reverse-connection making. It's one thing to be like "Hey, I want an FC but ICly wouldn't go after one, anyone want to work something out?" and another one to say "Go out of your way to RP with me, I might not join you anyway. I'm just here waiting for you to come RP with me!"

Again, it puts the onus of the meeting entirely on the unidentified second party. Rather than looking through the LS section or asking about FCs (the job hunting part) you're asking everyone else to come to you so you can see if you'd fit (the job recruitment part).

Maybe I'm just misreading all of this, though: Are the hits you got on the first page what you're looking for? The ooc invites to events to make things happen? If so, you can safely ignore everything I'm saying.

RE: I challenge you, FCs of Eorzea! - Riik - 11-05-2015

(11-05-2015, 02:42 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(11-05-2015, 02:23 PM)Riik Wrote: I think I see the point to this, but even so, I still think I'm being misunderstood in terms of what I'm trying to achieve with his thread, but I'm not going to argue if that's the way I'm coming across.

As for my wiki, I'm actually part-way-through re-writing it, mostly editing out parts that were added on a whim (heck I went through a whole nudism phase at some point that I should really edit out of my character wiki, given that I've matured past that and it no longer applies >.<Wink or segments that make little sense. Also if I can figure a way to spoiler box stuff or something in a way that makes certain spoiler information optional, then I'll add such stuff in, although I'm sorta worried that it might seem a little... weird.

It's also possible a lot of people (me, at the very least) are jaded when it comes to this sort of reverse-connection making. It's one thing to be like "Hey, I want an FC but ICly wouldn't go after one, anyone want to work something out?" and another one to say "Go out of your way to RP with me, I might not join you anyway. I'm just here waiting for you to come RP with me!"

Again, it puts the onus of the meeting entirely on the unidentified second party. Rather than looking through the LS section or asking about FCs (the job hunting part) you're asking everyone else to come to you so you can see if you'd fit (the job recruitment part).

Maybe I'm just misreading all of this, though: Are the hits you got on the first page what you're looking for? The ooc invites to events to make things happen? If so, you can safely ignore everything I'm saying.

The hits are the sorta thing I'm after. This was meant to be an interest check sorta thing >.<

RE: I challenge you, FCs of Eorzea! - Warren Castille - 11-05-2015

(11-05-2015, 02:46 PM)Riik Wrote: The hits are the sorta thing I'm after. This was meant to be an interest check sorta thing >.<

Well then I definitely done goofed. I blame everyone who came before you for ruining this sort of pitch, and myself for posting in the morning.

RE: I challenge you, FCs of Eorzea! - SicketySix - 11-05-2015

(11-05-2015, 02:47 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(11-05-2015, 02:46 PM)Riik Wrote: The hits are the sorta thing I'm after. This was meant to be an interest check sorta thing >.<

Well then I definitely done goofed. I blame everyone who came before you for ruining this sort of pitch, and myself for posting in the morning.

I personally don't buy it and think its a cover up for the way the thread went. If this was an interest check, solo emoters who won't put themselves out there but expect everyone to walk up to them instead, well, they are also only interest checking.

Just my opinion, it doesn't really amount to much lol.

RE: I challenge you, FCs of Eorzea! - RiniKett - 11-05-2015

Hey, on the bright side, your post got way more views and replies than mine have. lol

RE: I challenge you, FCs of Eorzea! - SicketySix - 11-05-2015

(11-05-2015, 03:25 PM)RiniKett Wrote: Hey, on the bright side, your post got way more views and replies than mine have. lol

Go post you have a Miqo'te dragoon in the Free Company and we'll be right over to spread the publicity for youThumbsup

RE: I challenge you, FCs of Eorzea! - Riik - 11-05-2015

(11-05-2015, 03:03 PM)SicketySix Wrote:
(11-05-2015, 02:47 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(11-05-2015, 02:46 PM)Riik Wrote: The hits are the sorta thing I'm after. This was meant to be an interest check sorta thing >.<

Well then I definitely done goofed. I blame everyone who came before you for ruining this sort of pitch, and myself for posting in the morning.

I personally don't buy it and think its a cover up for the way the thread went. If this was an interest check, solo emoters who won't put themselves out there but expect everyone to walk up to them instead, well, they are also only interest checking.

Just my opinion, it doesn't really amount to much lol.

I probably deserved that. This thread turned out to be such a mess, I'm not surprised if this is how many people now think of me. Even so, this thread is what it is; and I was certainly hoping for a lot less attention than I got >.<.

RE: I challenge you, FCs of Eorzea! - SicketySix - 11-05-2015

(11-05-2015, 03:33 PM)Riik Wrote:
(11-05-2015, 03:03 PM)SicketySix Wrote:
(11-05-2015, 02:47 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(11-05-2015, 02:46 PM)Riik Wrote: The hits are the sorta thing I'm after. This was meant to be an interest check sorta thing >.<

Well then I definitely done goofed. I blame everyone who came before you for ruining this sort of pitch, and myself for posting in the morning.

I personally don't buy it and think its a cover up for the way the thread went. If this was an interest check, solo emoters who won't put themselves out there but expect everyone to walk up to them instead, well, they are also only interest checking.

Just my opinion, it doesn't really amount to much lol.

I probably deserved that. This thread turned out to be such a mess, I'm not surprised if this is how many people now think of me. Even so, this thread is what it is; and I was certainly hoping for a lot less attention than I got >.<.

Regardless of what it was, I don't think anyone would really think less of you for it. I disagree but I have no personal problem with you. As I've stated before, I was just throwing my opinion out, in no way is it the voice of the RPC. Infact I'm probably getting "you're a douchebag" glares from people right now.

It's all good!Tongue

RE: I challenge you, FCs of Eorzea! - Faye - 11-05-2015

To be perfectly honest, as an FC leader, this post does not inspire me to try to recruit you--in fact, it kinda has the opposite effect, which is why I'm not taking this opportunity to invite you to apply. Most FC's want people who show initiative and are interested in us. We don't want to beg you to join and fight with other groups for your attention so that maybe you will join. Most decent FC's on the server have no shortage of people trying to join, and their leaders are often very busy, so expecting them to go so very far out of their way to recruit you probably won't be productive.

The suspension of disbelief for why a group would, IC, try so very hard to get a certain person to join would already likely have to be stretched, but considering your character is "apparently" a child, suspension of disbelief would be all but broken if an established group was going to try so hard to get a particular pre-teen among their ranks. I'm really not trying to be mean or pick at your post; I just want to give some constructive advice from the perspective of the people you're trying to market yourself to right now. It's not working on us. I recommend a different approach, because I do want to see you in a decent RP FC that you'll enjoy and I'm afraid that won't happen this way. Best of luck to you either way.

RE: I challenge you, FCs of Eorzea! - Zhavi - 11-05-2015

I think maybe you meant to be tongue-in-cheek or flippant, but due to the nature of FC recruitment on balmung it turned out the wrong way.

If it was the opposite, where FCs were starving for players, then it's likely it would have been taken better.

As is, coming from a 'I've done this and this and I'm looking for an interest check because I'm having a hard time finding a group and need exposure' then followed by the 'this is a challenge! how can I make this work!' schtick woulda worked better.

First step to selling yourself is knowing your audience. You didn't know enough, but now you do. You can always stick the original post in a spoiler and start over!

RE: I challenge you, FCs of Eorzea! - Caspar - 11-05-2015

I can't stress enough how much benefit it will be to you to look up characters you want to play with, and if their FC interests you, play with them and get to know them ICly. It will show your interest, build RP contacts, and organically form reasons to join as you go. Sure it's not guaranteed, but neither is this form of advertising. You want to sell people on your character? Be visible to them, first and foremost.

RE: I challenge you, FCs of Eorzea! - Sig - 11-05-2015

I'll offer a slightly different perspective than those offered by numerous other great RP'ers who've posted in this thread.

This post is refreshing and reveals what appeared to be a skilled role-player looking for friends and tasteful roleplay in an FC setting.  It is an assertive, interesting way to put one's character on the market.  I do not interpret the OP's post as clamoring for attention.  There is nothing wrong with wanting to inform the community that your character is basically 'looking for work.'  In addition, joining a FC through purely IC interactions can be extremely exciting.

However, as many have said, the OP should consider networking and actively pursuing potential FCs that appear to be a good fit.  This approach is more likely to produce a desirable result for the OP, as he has greater control over the FC's he targets.  He can more appropriately tailor his selection of potential FCs to those that share similar RP styles and content preferences. 

Personally, I do not have any opinions regarding the lore compliance or background of the OP's character.  It is within the realm of plausibility. However, my character (Sigurd) would find the notion of a good-natured, child-looking lalafell purporting to be a dragoon absolutely preposterous, as would many other characters.

RE: I challenge you, FCs of Eorzea! - Riik - 11-06-2015

Ok, so... having slept and having had time to think about this (and clear my head of the stress), there are a few points I wanted to make here that I hope are received a lot better than my opening post. Much of it is to do with the backstory stuff that raised a lot of eyebrows. Naturally, this is more for those who have OOC issues with that stuff. If someone has IC issues, then that sort of disbelief just causes more stuff to RP over, right?

1) The dragoon stuff. I just want to clarify that this stuff was actually RPed out as jobs became available pre-2.0. This kinda thing was normal back then amongst the people I RPed with (most of whom were part of the RPC). Back then it wasn't a case of "no, you can't be that job because of X" it was more "you've got an excuse as to why you can be that job? Ok, good." Naturally, there was less lore to work with, so less impeding information, but if I change that part of my character's backstory, would that be fair on the people I've RPed with? It'd make it a retcon that could cause conflict with what other people have recorded/remembered with regards to my character. If there was at any point a general consensus to retcon jobs like Dragoon at some point and there is something like a thread or something to which a lot of people agreed on the concept, then if that proof was brought to me, I might consider changing things (I couldn't care less whether or not this exists in my character backstory on a personal level, my only care is about changing information that others may still believe). Naturally, there will always be characters with IC issues over this bit of information, but none of it was supplied ICly, so unless Riku was to blab about it during RP (which he wouldn't... he doesn't talk about his past much), it should really be a non-issue.

2) Age. Yes, my character looks young, and yes that would cause many IC issues. Good. The more to argue over, the more content to RP, right? However, for those put off OOCly by it, naturally,you're entitled for that. Some people want to get down and gritty with the realistic stuff. But this is Final Fantasy, and there will always be that anime-esque side to things. In FFIX, your party included a 6-year-old summoner. In FFXII, sometimes Larsa joined the party as a guest, and he was what, 13? Yet he could keep up with the rest of the party (which included a war veteran, remember) and specialised in melee combat. As for FFXIV, there's a whole city state run by what are essentially eternal children (yes, I'm talking about the Padjal of Gridania), and let's not forget Alphinaud (Yes, as an elezen he could well be old enough to be of the age that other races consider adult, and yes, his physical age is probably older than Riku's, but it doesn't change the fact that despite not being an adult, he started the Scion equivalent of a Grand Company and is a skilled arcanist to boot). This sort of stuff happens in Final Fantasy. I may be willing to up my character's apparent age to 13 (any more, and I'd have to change more than I really want to), but that all depends on whether that would make a difference to anyone or not from an OOC acceptability standpoint.

3) The thread itself. I was definitely trying to be interesting and humorous with my opening post. I think the problematic part was this bit (correct me if I'm wrong): "Obviously, the first to get in contact, arrange an RP then initiate said RP is more likely to get me." I did not mean for it to come across as though I wanted them to do all the RP arrangements etc, arrangement of RP is a two-sided affair, as both sides need to be available for it and need to be at the specified venue. All I meant was that the first to be available for an RP based around the recruitment would have a higher chance at getting Riku into their ranks on account of having the first pick. Furthermore, the IC issue does not mean an FC has to go "hey, heard of this guy? He seems awesome, let's recruit him!" or something along those lines. It could just be the case of Riku approaching an FC for a non-employment-based reason, and then someone going "hey, you might fit in here, you know!".

4) Type of FC. Despite Riku's talents being combat-centric, it doesn't have to be a combat-centric FC. Before ARR, Riku was part of an odd-jobs mercenary guild who did all sorts of things from delivering letters to finding cats to taking out notorious monsters. Riku's willingness to help people would be a big reason to attract such an FC, even if he's initially recruited to do chore-based stuff (or maybe someone could see him as a potential student for a combat role and take him in to train him). There's always then the chance that Riku can convince the guild he can fight through his actions and capabilities once they get to know him.

5) Following up. By all means, I don't expect FC recruiters to be on the look out for me in-game or something with them doing all the leg work. A post here to say "my FC would be willing to accept this character/recruitment scenario" is more than enough. Once I know who I can contact and what FC they belong to, I can then get in touch with them about the RP and/or other terms/requirements. Admittedly, I may be hesitant to do that for a couple of days, because a lot of the replies here have damaged my motivation, but that doesn't change what my plans are.

From this point on, may I ask that nobody derails this thread through arguing with my character background (beyond replying to some of the questions left in this post) and/or age or with accusations based on what they believe my motivations to be? That stuff has been discussed to death and I think we should move on from it.

RE: I challenge you, FCs of Eorzea! - Garalona - 11-06-2015

Quote:If someone has IC issues, then that sort of disbelief just causes more stuff to RP over, right?

Gonna be brutally honest here, when people have issues of this nature, they tend to just shake their head and walk away before you even get a chance to explain. Like the Ishgardian Lalafell Dragoon thing? Most people are not going to ask how in the world you accomplished that, they're going to go "Uh-huh, and I'm the Miqo'te King of Ishgard. Pull the other one, it's got bells on."

But hell, those probably aren't people you care to play with anyway, and that just means you've got to find folk who are amicable to your whole concept and all that. Finding the right FC will help a lot with that. I'm sure you'll find one in due time.

RE: I challenge you, FCs of Eorzea! - Vyce - 11-06-2015

(11-06-2015, 08:48 AM)Garalona Wrote:
Quote:If someone has IC issues, then that sort of disbelief just causes more stuff to RP over, right?

Gonna be brutally honest here, when people have issues of this nature, they tend to just shake their head and walk away before you even get a chance to explain. Like the Ishgardian Lalafell Dragoon thing? Most people are not going to ask how in the world you accomplished that, they're going to go "Uh-huh, and I'm the Miqo'te King of Ishgard. Pull the other one, it's got bells on."

But hell, those probably aren't people you care to play with anyway, and that just means you've got to find folk who are amicable to your whole concept and all that. Finding the right FC will help a lot with that. I'm sure you'll find one in due time.

Absolutely! You'll find one. Hardcore RPers have a tendency to be okay with retcons when they find out something about their character isn't possible. There are a lot of HC RPers in this game (many of them post in these forums) which equates to rigid attention to lore.

But you don't have to be a HC RPer. It's a lot of work. I personally enjoy the lore-Nazi attitudes because I share the same values and they help me as a relatively new player.
There are numerous guilds out there, and some will be more than happy to have you and your interesting Lalafell because they are genuinely interested in helping your character blossom. Just make sure you take those first steps to apply to a few places and see what happens.

ALSO! You might try speaking with the players who do the IC recruiting and see if there is a way to arrange ICly for your Lala to be sought out and invited rather than him applying. Perhaps someone has a super friendly Miqote who would befriend him on the street and say,
"Hey, I'm a recruiter for a Free Company. You should join."