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RE: detailed Garlean Empire lore? - Ares D'Argent - 07-28-2013
I see, so that changes a few things for me, I didn't realize Ishgard was an Elezen city, I always thought it belonged to the Hyur.  That will change things where he pledges his allegiance to.  I might just keep him as a merc instead like I originally planned.  Either way, thanks for the info!  It cleared up.  I guess with race distribution you said there were mostly Elezen, Hyur and Roegadyn.  Is it still possible that there were Miqo'te in the North?  I'm asking for clarification because a good friend of mine plays one and we have it in our back story that Artorias wiped out her family during one of the Empire's invasions. Considering from what I heard it was mostly the Northern areas that were hit by the Empire so I want to make sure this isn't too lore breaking either.
RE: detailed Garlean Empire lore? - ArmachiA - 07-28-2013
(07-28-2013, 06:37 PM)Merri Wrote: Well, Endemerrin and his little friend basically pioneered his specific field of bio-magitek, as I've so affectionately named it. While they might be a little hard-pressed to get said information out of, I personally would love to have some sort of interaction in those regards. Could be a lot of fun, since they've only ever worked on Endemerrin's arm. He's usually up for a challenge. Unless, of course, you already had something planned, in which case nevermind~
I have nothing planned. I just knew that was my eventual plan. With Siben's character being interested in Ceruleum (Not really so much in the magitek) he explains things as he learns more about it and she's on her own trying to learn how to break it down and put it back together. Currently, her leg is metal, has a fairly wide-ish range of motion (Though she walks with a limp) and it requires a lot of upkeep from blacksmiths.
I would certainly LOVE to get a storyline going with you if you'd like, it'd be better than just "It happened somehow in someplace" lol.
RE: detailed Garlean Empire lore? - Sounsyy - 07-28-2013
Quote:I didn't realize Ishgard was an Elezen city, I always thought it belonged to the Hyur.
Keep in mind that Hyur are very new to Eorzea in the grand scheme of things. The first Hyur to visit Eorzea were all Highlanders and this only happened 1000 years ago. Circa the Year 500 of the Sixth Astral Era. Midlanders came later. Ishgard was founded around the same time as the first migration but Hyur and Elezen did not mix well during this time. There were many many wars between the two races because the Elezen believed that Hyur were trying to steal their rightful lands. And to an extent, they were.
Quote:Is it still possible that there were Miqo'te in the North?
It is possible but unlikely. If you note the locations of current Miqo'te settlements they are all along the southern coasts of Aldenard. Limsa, Ul'dah, Sagolii Desert. So we can assume that the Miqo'te crossed into Eorzea across the ice bridges from the south. Now the Keepers of the Moon miqo'te are said to have wandered Eorzea more and most now make their home within the Black Shroud which is fairly northern. It is possible that a Keeper of the Moon family could have made it so far as Ala Mhigo. The racial distribution there is mostly Highlander Hyur but from 1.0 cutscenes we see evidence of a small Miqo'te population making their home there as well. It is entirely possible that your Garlean character could wipe out an entire family or smaller tribe of Miqo'te that lived in either Ala Mhigo or the Black Shroud, since the Garleans invaded both areas 15 years ago.
RE: detailed Garlean Empire lore? - Merri - 07-28-2013
(07-28-2013, 07:21 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: Race Distribution
I'm curious as to the source of the first bit. I don't recall them outright saying the Elezen originated from Ilsabard. In fact, we only learned of Ilsabard's name in ARR. Would love to see the source, however, as that's shocking new information. Last I recall, Elezen were the original inhabitants of Eorzea.
The empire does have Miqo'te and Lalafell within it's ranks, however. Whether they are conscripts from conquered territory is yet to be seen (although quite likely), but~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFb53G9tiuY
Skip to 17:22. Miqo'te and Lalafell.  :>
RE: detailed Garlean Empire lore? - Sounsyy - 07-28-2013
Quote:I'm curious as to the source of the first bit. I don't recall them outright saying the Elezen originated from Ilsabard. In fact, we only learned of Ilsabard's name in ARR. Would love to see the source, however, as that's shocking new information. Last I recall, Elezen were the original inhabitants of Eorzea.
Elezen Naming Conventions
It's very easy to miss, but the quote in question is this:
Quote:Both the Wildwood and Duskwight Elezen are proud clans from a proud race. The forenames and surnames used by them have changed little since the time when they first crossed into Eorzea from the north.
And based off the information given via the Race section on the main FFXIV site we can safely say that they were the first of the five races to migrate to Eorzea during the Age of the Twelve. Followed closely by the Roegadyn.Â
Quote:The Elezen once claimed sole dominion over Eorzea, their presence predating that of the other races, and, as such, developed a heightened sense of honor and pride.
-Â FFXIV: Elezen
Also good catch on the Lalafell Garleans! I could not for the life of me recall seeing them, but there they are! Perhaps they are not as prevalent due to Lalafell and Miqo'te both mostly occupying the southern regions of Eorzea?
RE: detailed Garlean Empire lore? - Merri - 07-28-2013
(07-28-2013, 10:01 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:Quote:Both the Wildwood and Duskwight Elezen are proud clans from a proud race. The forenames and surnames used by them have changed little since the time when they first crossed into Eorzea from the north.
And based off the information given via the Race section on the main FFXIV site we can safely say that they were the first of the five races to migrate to Eorzea during the Age of the Twelve. Followed closely by the Roegadyn.Â
It's possible, though Ilsabard is actually more to the east of Eorzea than it is the North. It's quite possible they came from over the sea, much like the Roegadyn did. The islands that Sharlayan is supposedly situated on is also a strong, strong possibility. Suffice it to say, I wouldn't necessarily paint modern day Garlemald and Ilsabard as Elezen-heavy. After all, their emperor is Hyur. In fact, while the other races are present in the empire, in-game I'd say a good 75% of what we've seen has been Hyur. Even cutscenes in 1.0 painted a predominantly Hyur society.
We've actually only seen two Elezen from Garlemald of note, that being Livia and Nael, the latter of which is dead. Compared to about five major characters that are Hyur, and the overwhelming majority of Garlean NPCs being Hyur. While Elezen could have possibly originated from Ilsabard, it's quite likely that they more or less would have abandoned it when they migrated to Eorzea.
RE: detailed Garlean Empire lore? - Sounsyy - 07-28-2013
Eh, just because the landbridge connecting Aldenard and Ilsabard is in the east doesn't necessarily mean that the entire continent of Ilsabard sits more easterly. We have no World Map of Hydaelyn to say for certain. To be picky, it just says from the north, not due north. ;P
Here's my logic though. Ilsabard is noted as the Northern Continent. Roegadyn and Elezen both come from the north. Both races regardless of any maritime capabilities have to make land somewhere. As it is not explicitly stated that there are any islands in the North Seas (The Bloodbrine) we must assume that there aren't any. Out of those two races, only Roegadyn are noted to have any seagoing inclinations. In all descriptions of Elezen, they seem pretty at one with the land and rock and tree.Â
So taking this, I would say that Elezen migrated from Ilsabard via the landbridge connecting Aldenard and Ilsabard in the east. And the Roegadyn sailed the Bloodbrine south more towards the west. This would account for the high population of Elezen in Coerthas and the Black Shroud. They probably used to inhabit Gyr Abania too until the Highlanders drove them out. And since the Roegadyn are a maritime people, the Sea Wolves traveled the Bloodbrine into Eorzea. Probably making port at Agalatia's Spine. (From there branching into the Hellsguard Clan since Agalatia is their homeland.)
Text Sharlayan and Aldenard Map Sharlayan are actually quite different, so it's hard to say there. But I would disagree to say that Elezen or Roegadyn came from Sharlayan as it is in Dravania, which is in Eorzea. All five races of man originate from outside Eorzea and migrate to this land. Also Sharlayan appears to be almost due west of Ishgard, south of Agalatia's Spine. Which further rules migration from there out.Â
I'll concede to the Garleans being of a more mixed racial spread though. It makes more sense considering the amount of territories that Garlemald has conquered. Even if Garlemald was originally mostly Elezen, they are noted to be a small nation, so a majority of their Empire's population would be that of the peoples they've conquered. Or it could be as you said that the Elezen all left Ilsabard for Eorzea lol. Question though, do you have a source for the race of Solus zos Galvus and Gaius van Baelsar? I had always assumed Gaius was an Elezen as his body structure is almost identical to Nael's. And basing my judgement off of the concept art of Solus on the FFXIV main site, I'd peg him as either Roegadyn or a very squat Hyur.
RE: detailed Garlean Empire lore? - Merri - 07-29-2013
(07-28-2013, 11:23 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: Here's my logic though. Ilsabard is noted as the Northern Continent. Roegadyn and Elezen both come from the north. Both races regardless of any maritime capabilities have to make land somewhere. As it is not explicitly stated that there are any islands in the North Seas (The Bloodbrine) we must assume that there aren't any. Out of those two races, only Roegadyn are noted to have any seagoing inclinations. In all descriptions of Elezen, they seem pretty at one with the land and rock and tree.Â
Question though, do you have a source for the race of Solus zos Galvus and Gaius van Baelsar? I had always assumed Gaius was an Elezen as his body structure is almost identical to Nael's. And basing my judgement off of the concept art of Solus on the FFXIV main site, I'd peg him as either Roegadyn or a very squat Hyur.
Quote:The Sea Wolves originally hail from the islands of the far north seas, where they still subsist as fishermen and -women. Long ago, no vessel or coastal village was safe from their maritime brand of brutality. Now, it is not uncommon to see them employed as sailors or naval mercenaries on all manner of vessels.
There are in fact islands far to the north. There's likely other land masses, of which the Elezen came from.
Now, on the subject of racial diversity, I like to look at it this way. Garlemald (as an empire, not the republic) was formed very, very recently. Elezen have been living in Eorzea for hundreds and hundreds of years. It's likely the Elezen had migrated to Eorzea loooong before Garlemald came into being. It's also mentioned that the Hyur came to Eorzea in three great migratory waves from neighboring continents and islands. The only continent that directly neighbors Eorzea is Ilsabard. Ilsabard could have very well been the Hyur's ancestral home, so to speak.Â
Now, on to the emperor and Gaius. Thus far, the XIV team has adhered vehemently to the naming conventions they've established for the races. I can't think of a single NPC that strays outside of it off the top of my head. For example, Nael van Darnus. Nael is actually one of the flat out examples they give of Elezen names. Yet, he was Imperial.
Gaius, on the other hand, has more Hyur roots in his name. In 1.0, he also had the animations of a Hyur Highlander in-game, if that is to be taken into the equation. The emperor seems to follow suit, in that his name is clearly not of the other races. Solus is an ancient, frail old man at this point. Isn't really likely to have the body that he used to.
Far as it goes, we've also seen an Imperial Roegadyn in-game, and while his last name is Imperial, his given name is still a traditional Roegadyn name.
RE: detailed Garlean Empire lore? - Kyatai - 07-30-2013
Okay... quick question:
I know there is a lot of info about Garlean military might and weaponry... but is there any info regarding other uses for Magitek?
And any specific weapons/etc besides the airships, cannons, gunblade, laser shooting arm bracers and so on? I'm assuming shields and land vehicles too?
But... did they have radar targeting (or were the sites of massive destruction purely point and shoot from the airships, and Dalamud's crash location purely random)?
Stuff like that...
I believe Merri mentioned that Magitek was part of daily lives in Garlemald as well... any details there as to what kinds?
RE: detailed Garlean Empire lore? - D R E N - 08-02-2013
What god does the Garlean Empire worship?
RE: detailed Garlean Empire lore? - Merri - 08-02-2013
(08-02-2013, 12:14 AM)Yaein Mayweather Wrote: What god does the Garlean Empire worship?None, to our current knowledge. They also go so far as to prevent the worship of any gods in the territories they conquer. For example, in the annexing of Ala Mhigo and Gyr Abania, all worship of Rhalgr has been banned.
RE: detailed Garlean Empire lore? - D R E N - 08-02-2013
(08-02-2013, 08:45 AM)Merri Wrote:(08-02-2013, 12:14 AM)Yaein Mayweather Wrote: What god does the Garlean Empire worship?None, to our current knowledge. They also go so far as to prevent the worship of any gods in the territories they conquer. For example, in the annexing of Ala Mhigo and Gyr Abania, all worship of Rhalgr has been banned.
Ahh weird. So when Van Baelsar says, "Unworthy is the ruler who seek the solace of false gods." I assumed he meant that people shouldn't follow false deities and that their own was the one true deity.
RE: detailed Garlean Empire lore? - Ildur - 08-02-2013
You can also understand it as saying that there are no true gods. If there are no true gods, then all gods are false by definition.
Though I thought Rhalgr's worship in Ala Mhigo was banned prior the the garleans conquering it? Because the king was paranoid about the monks conspiring against him and had them executed.
RE: detailed Garlean Empire lore? - Merri - 08-02-2013
(08-02-2013, 12:46 PM)Ildur Wrote: You can also understand it as saying that there are no true gods. If there are no true gods, then all gods are false by definition.
Though I thought Rhalgr's worship in Ala Mhigo was banned prior the the garleans conquering it? Because the king was paranoid about the monks conspiring against him and had them executed.
This is true, however the Imperials kept the ban in place for whatever reason.
RE: detailed Garlean Empire lore? - Sounsyy - 08-02-2013
(08-02-2013, 08:45 AM)Merri Wrote: None, to our current knowledge. They also go so far as to prevent the worship of any gods in the territories they conquer. For example, in the annexing of Ala Mhigo and Gyr Abania, all worship of Rhalgr has been banned.
I think it's very interesting that a nation that worships no Deity (to our knowledge) possesses a leader with the title, His Radiance. Which invokes very religious imagery. Looking back at the Romans we see a very similar title used for their leaders as well. Divi or Divi Filius. The Romans were also polytheistic and Divi meant Godly in relation to one of the Roman Gods (Mercury or Jupiter for example). So I would not at all be surprised if the Garleans actually had one or many Gods that they worshipped. Even possibly the Twelve. But it could also be that the reason Garleans aren't allowed to worship Gods is that would mean that they are putting their faith into something other than their Empire or more specifically Solus zos Galvus, His Radiance.
Also it was Theodric, the King of Ruin who outlawed the worship of Rhalgr in 1552. He instead promoted Nymeia, claiming that it was under her divine wisdom that he was meant to rule over Gyr Abania. I think when the Garleans took over they just imposed a blanket no deities rule instead of outlawing specific ones.