(09-25-2014, 12:12 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote:

(09-25-2014, 11:21 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: Someone through the game asked me if it is even possible to be a Sultansworn while being a Maelstrom/Twin Adder soldier, and I really didn't give him a straight answer because I felt like that's really the matter of changing alliance to becoming one with Ul'dah instead. 

You can't really be Immortal Flame and you work for Yellowjacket... Well, I don't think you can. Or Maelstrom soldier working for Brass Blade (but then again, you -could-).

But would you be under Sultansworn as a spy for Limsa or just as a diplomatical position to grow the alliance between two nations? That was rather a question.

But I think it'd be interesting for a person to become a Maelstrom and become Sultansworn, by protecting both the Limsa and Sultana. lol... but I just said I'll ask in RPC and here I am.

This is one of the only limits I feel is needed. If you are Adder ooc, thats one thing, but if its IC, then absolutely not. In my mind, the Sworn are closest to related to the Specialist Operations under the Metropolitan Police of London. There is no way some man or woman who were serving in a foreign military would be allowed to be part of Royalty Protection or even Specialist Protection.

For an overview of what I mean read this. I feel this is the best real life model we could use to provide maximum creative freedom while still providing limitations to keep us in "special snowflake" check. I highly recommend all Sworn RPers read up on the London Metro's Protection Command.

(09-25-2014, 01:40 PM)Edgar Wrote:

(09-25-2014, 12:12 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote:

(09-25-2014, 11:21 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: Someone through the game asked me if it is even possible to be a Sultansworn while being a Maelstrom/Twin Adder soldier, and I really didn't give him a straight answer because I felt like that's really the matter of changing alliance to becoming one with Ul'dah instead. 

You can't really be Immortal Flame and you work for Yellowjacket... Well, I don't think you can. Or Maelstrom soldier working for Brass Blade (but then again, you -could-).

But would you be under Sultansworn as a spy for Limsa or just as a diplomatical position to grow the alliance between two nations? That was rather a question.

But I think it'd be interesting for a person to become a Maelstrom and become Sultansworn, by protecting both the Limsa and Sultana. lol... but I just said I'll ask in RPC and here I am.

This is one of the only limits I feel is needed. If you are Adder ooc, thats one thing, but if its IC, then absolutely not. In my mind, the Sworn are closest to related to the Specialist Operations under the Metropolitan Police of London. There is no way some man or woman who were serving in a foreign military would be allowed to be part of Royalty Protection or even Specialist Protection.

For an overview of what I mean read this. I feel this is the best real life model we could use to provide maximum creative freedom while still providing limitations to keep us in "special snowflake" check. I highly recommend all Sworn RPers read up on the London Metro's Protection Command.

Let me put it simply. The Sultansworn swear an oath of fealty to the Sultana. Not the Elementals.

(09-25-2014, 03:58 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: there may be say a Sultansworn RPer who doesn't know pertinent Ul'dah lore that may or may not relate to being a Sultansworn?

Like I'm sure most Sultansworn know who the founder of the Sultansworn is, and how long ago that was... but how many would be able to name the Sultan in charge before Nanamo? If your character has been a Sultansworn for at least a decade, that's pertinent to you. Likewise, not many people know who writes the laws by which the Sultanate is bound.

(09-25-2014, 04:21 PM)Kage Wrote: Regarding "Sultanate" has it actually been defined in the game? Usually the generic definition is the land governed by the sultan(a). So the Sultansworn bound by the sultanate could actually be a vague definition...?

(09-25-2014, 04:21 PM)Kage Wrote: Also the Immortal Flames chart provided by SE seems to indicate (with the Blue header bar) that the Sultansworn, Stone Torches, and Brass Blades are answerable to the Syndicate.

(09-25-2014, 04:37 PM)Kage Wrote: The request for aid is in relation to the Immortal Flames' Hall relations with Sultansworn. It's the pink line connecting Hall of Flames to Sultansworn. That has no relation to how there are headers for the Syndicate (Blue) and headers for the Immortal Flames (Green)

(09-25-2014, 04:37 PM)Kage Wrote: The request for aid is in relation to the Immortal Flames' Hall relations with Sultansworn. It's the pink line connecting Hall of Flames to Sultansworn. That has no relation to how there are headers for the Syndicate (Blue) and headers for the Immortal Flames (Green)

(09-25-2014, 04:51 PM)Coatleque Wrote: I believe you are not reading the chart correctly.  It is not showing what branch is 'above' another.  The lines do not say this branch answers to that branch in any way.  Just because the Sultansworn box is below the Syndicate box doesn't infer the one is "over" the other.

This is simply a chart that shows how each organization interacts with the others when martial force is necessary.  In other words, it is saying the Flame General is not the General of the Sworn.  He only directly commands the Immortal Flames, but can ask the Sworn for assistance.

The Sultana is not in the chart because she was not involved in the discussion that led to its creation.

{edit} Ul'dahn royal family, not families.  It in no way infers anyone other than the house of Ul

(09-25-2014, 04:58 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: But you have to understand that in Chain of Commands, Sultansworns cannot equally be on the same ranks to equally match with Syndicates.

(09-25-2014, 05:03 PM)Coatleque Wrote:

(09-25-2014, 04:58 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: But you have to understand that in Chain of Commands, Sultansworns cannot equally be on the same ranks to equally match with Syndicates.

Without a doubt.  I will not contest this.  In fact, I hinted at it in one of my previous replies.  While the Syndicate have no authority to order the Sultansworn around, I am sure every Paladin is sure to tread lightly around them for the very reason that they could hold a vote and force Namano to take action and discipline them.

It's a position of mutual respect.  The Sworn stay out of their way, and they allow the organization to continue to exist.

At the same time, if Nanamo ever grew a spine, she could theoretically order her Sultansworn to round up and kill the entire Syndicate.  She could use them and literally seize back full control of the city.  But she does not do this for many reasons (They are outnumbered by blades, the economy would collapse, there would be immense political blowback...

(09-25-2014, 04:18 PM)Kage Wrote:

(09-25-2014, 03:58 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: there may be say a Sultansworn RPer who doesn't know pertinent Ul'dah lore that may or may not relate to being a Sultansworn?

Like I'm sure most Sultansworn know who the founder of the Sultansworn is, and how long ago that was... but how many would be able to name the Sultan in charge before Nanamo? If your character has been a Sultansworn for at least a decade, that's pertinent to you. Likewise, not many people know who writes the laws by which the Sultanate is bound.

((Not to hi-jack this thread but... I totally sorta said 'no' to most of these >< Perhaps maybe you may be able to elaborate on something I also wanted to comment on in the "guide" thread?))

(09-25-2014, 04:51 PM)Coatleque Wrote: {edit} Ul'dahn royal family, not families. It in no way infers anyone other than the house of Ul