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RE: In response to people taking Primal fights ICly... - Cato - 02-01-2015
Like I said, I'm not losing any sleep over it. I just think that nobody should be immune to criticism if they're going out of their way to make their character stand out above and beyond everybody else's. It's not a personal attack. If I said 'oi mate, ur a nasty wanker with a mouldy twat' and relentlessly hounded someone for what they were doing with their character then I'd fully expect to be told to piss off. That's not what I'm doing though, nor am I pointing out anybody by name and humiliating them in public for their decisions in role-play.
RE: In response to people taking Primal fights ICly... - Blue - 02-01-2015
(02-01-2015, 11:29 PM)Nyagi Yhistarok Wrote: Three things:
1. You roleplay the main scenario? Well, that's neat, but I can't and I don't think anyone else that takes the lore seriously, can take your character seriously.
2. Are you using a video with particle effects as proof behind your statement? Not every dot in the sky is a person, and the video is a generic representation of the few Warriors of Light that become the Blade of Light. It's not like SE has the resources to custom create a CGI version of each character with the myriad of custom armors and races they can play.
3. Having the Echo does not make you a Warrior of Light. In the Battle of Cartenau, that was just a bunch of people from each of the Grand Companies that came to fight the Garleans. If you're going to refer to videos as evidence, take note that in the video that places in the opening credits (that's pressing down three times on your PS3 controller by the way and then pressing the 'X' key) it'll play a video showing the battle and everyone save for the few Warriors of Light (I think they showed, hmm, one black mage, one warrior, one paladin, one white mage, and one bard.) and the rest were pretty much dressed to the nines in company gear.
That's the problem with using game representations through events and videos as evidence for your claim. They can't accurately depict -you- in that setting they depict the main protagonist and general fillers to convey certain events, of which the pictures you linked show an event that was just to express something that otherwise would be indescribable. The main hero, banded with his team of Warriors of Light, used their aether to banish the Ascian from a scion's body. Nothing more. And no, Lahabrea did not repetitively possess Thancred over and over in a queuing lobby so that everyone even to this day can claim, "I saved him. I was a Warrior or Light. I used the Blade of Light." that's a game mechanic to allow everyone to experience the same content that if we're roleplaying and making the world seem real then only one, okay at most, eight people in the entire world could have actually experienced.
Ok, I'll try to answer these without taking too much space, since in the end, what others think of what my RP LS does is of little to no matter to me, long as we're having fun (and, since we keep the RP in /ls channel, we don't hurt others either).
1. Why? You didn't really explain that statement. There is no point in the game where the Warrior of Light (or Blade of Light, whatever you call it. I'm not talking only of those from 1.0. The adventurer becomes a Warrior of Light in 2.0 too) is said to be just and only one. I don't even remember any cutscene where the NPC said "I'm sorry I have to send you there all alone, but only you can do it.". The instances would be for single player if that were the case, and I like to believe the cutscenes do not show other players (and in some instances they still do) just for the sake of hardware easiness.
2. Yes, EVERY "shooting star particle" in that cutscene IS an adventurer who received the call. It's what the cutscene is meant for: to show that you are not alone in the crusade to aid Hydaelyn. The crystal is not talking just to you. And those people don't have to have met the Archons either to receive the call as far as I'm concerned.
3. The group showed in the Battle of Cartenau cutscene are just iconic. Not only the derplander's party are the Warriors of Light. All those who played 1.0 and acknowledge its scenario have been.
To end it, I don't know what impression people have of us MSQ players, but I assure you that we do not do it for the sake of being special or look down at others. In fact, and I'm speaking just for my group, we have the policy to not mention MSQ-related events when we RP in /say, because we know some people will get offended, because they choose to not do something they could, while instead we did.
We have all our rules set up to welcome new members and if anyone comes to us and claims to have been at a certain event, we always find ways to make it plausible. For the sake of making everyone happy, changes can be made in dialogues of NPCs. From Minfilia saying "We need you to do this" to Minfilia saying "We need you guys to do this". And I'm sure you know where I'm getting at.
Please, I'd really like the griefing to come to an end. No one of the MSQ roleplayers I know goes to brag about the events we did IC (especially because most of them are supposed to be kept in secrecy) and we accept this strict rule on ourselves to make non-MSQ-RPers happy. And in turn, what do we get? That soon as someone slips and mentions something even so slightly MSQ-related as a primal fight, we get this kinds of threads and ugly looks, if not people walking out on us (hasn't happened to me yet, but I suppose that's because I've yet to slip and accidentally make any game-story-mention in /say, I do hear of a lot of people getting that threatment though).
I'm fully against those RPers who make primal fights sound easy-peasy mundane things, yes, but I really do not understand the griefing beyond that..
Hell, currently we're on Haukke Manor, and for the Castrum instances I had in mind to put up RP events in the calendar to find people willing to RP 8-man instances with us (since so far it's just 4 of us in my group)... But now I'm starting to wonder if doing that wouldn't just get me flamed for even suggesting it.
RE: In response to people taking Primal fights ICly... - Titor - 02-01-2015
my experience to the RPC today
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That being said I think anyone should be able to RP whatever they want as long as they find other people willing to accept it and rp with them and enjoy it.
It does not mean the entire community has to, and if there is a sensitive subject such as this it would be best to just tend to avoid those subjects while rping at taverns or the community at large, imo.
But in your fc/ls/group of friends? You can be a time-bending half-dragon primal dimension-travelling demigod and if others like it that is fine.
RE: In response to people taking Primal fights ICly... - Aya - 02-01-2015
I'm more or less of the opinion that Warren expressed earlier. People may RP what they wish, that's the nature of open-world MMO RP. The only thing that individual players can really do is chose with whom they interact, and how they treat their own "headcanon" to use a popular phrase.Â
I don't think much of the MSQ, and never have. I do not find it a compelling story (although it has interesting moments), and outside of what it reveals about the lore of the world itself, I do not consider it canon. Whether or not Ascians exists, or Hydaelen interferes in the realm of mortals, my character hasn't the slightest clue (and would shrug off as a nut anyone who insisted they -knew- otherwise).
Primals are summoned, and primals are killed. If someone really worked it well and deeply into their story, or wrote an adventure arch around it that dealt reasonably and faithfully with the power of primals I might find it rather interesting! If I encounter a couple of guys on a street-corner boasting about how they fight primals with a hand-tied-behind-their-back my character will treat that in the same fashion as any other puffed up blade trying to talk big.
That said, if you've got a group that enjoys RPing the MSQ as if its a "thing" that "really happened" by all means! More power to you, enjoy the RP and don't worry about the detractors. This is a game, and its meant to be fun, and everyone's idea of fun is different. Just don't try to tell anyone else that they have to go along with it.
RE: In response to people taking Primal fights ICly... - Lost River - 02-01-2015
For my sake in Lost River's story; she is a 1.0 character (although retconned to be a female Roegadyn as they were not playable until 2.0), the only thing she did experience was she -was- there with the many other adventurers of the battle, was sent through time with the many others. Buuut, did she really become a part of the 2.0 storyline? Not really. Just that major key event is all. It still haunts her to this day, to have five years gone, five years without her daughter.
RE: In response to people taking Primal fights ICly... - Kinono - 02-01-2015
If you want to RP the main scenario, go for it. No one is stopping you. It sounds like fun, and I welcome you to have fun!
But I'm also welcome to laugh at you when you approach me and then say "Off to kill Titan again! Wish me luck!" (this has happened to me a few times)
The long and short of it is that within a bubble you can have fun however you want, but opening your bubble out to the world at large means, by definition, you have to accept people's reactions at face value. As a social activity, people are welcome to exclude you if they want. No one is forcing you to play with me, and I'm not forcing myself on you.
RE: In response to people taking Primal fights ICly... - Lost River - 02-01-2015
So far, the only things I've seen widely discredited and frowned on, is White Mages and Azure Dragoons.
RE: In response to people taking Primal fights ICly... - Tiergan - 02-02-2015
RE: In response to people taking Primal fights ICly... - Tiergan - 02-02-2015
My characters do not have Echo or Warrior of Light status. However, I also do not give a rat's ass whether other people do or don't as long as they're not hurting anyone. I just find like-minded friends and RP with them.
I'm not sure why people seem to have such a vested interest in finding people whose RP they disagree with and then shitting all over them. Like posting a rant about IC Primal fights in an event about fighting Primals IC.
It's okay to not like things, but don't be a dick about it.
RE: In response to people taking Primal fights ICly... - Cato - 02-02-2015
(02-02-2015, 12:06 AM)Tiergan Wrote: I'm not sure why people seem to have such a vested interest in finding people whose RP they disagree with and then shitting all over them. Like posting a rant about IC Primal fights in an event about fighting Primals IC. Â
It's okay to not like things, but don't be a dick about it.
That's not what people are doing though. As someone posted a page or so back it's a discussion thread about a subject relevant to the site's purpose. I doubt anyone is losing any sleep over this, or feels obligated to go along with whatever bizarre concepts are conjured up.
It's not a case of being a 'dick' either. If people are going out of their way to make their character super special then it's pretty naturally for them to stand out and become the topic of discussion from time to time.
Then again, I've said this already in other threads: a lot of people seem to take even the slightest bit of criticism as a major personal attack even when it's not intended that way or can be justified. This is a community with people from all sorts of different backgrounds and styles - it's not going to be all sunshine and roses, nor should anybody feel compelled to never ever speak out against something.
RE: In response to people taking Primal fights ICly... - Mae - 02-02-2015
Also, I was under the impression (and I'll respectfully stand corrected if Sounseyy shows up and says otherwise) that in 1.0 there was a group called... Path of the Twelve, and their mission was to support and deal with people who were touched by the Echo, because there was a lot coming out of the woodwork for a while and the muggles were treating/convincing them that they were crazy.
Adventurers (PC's) represent a small part of Erozea's population, so that there could -POSSIBLY- be a higher concentration of people who have varying degrees of special is understandable.
RE: In response to people taking Primal fights ICly... - V'aleera - 02-02-2015
(02-02-2015, 12:11 AM)Graeham Ridgefield Wrote: That's not what people are doing though. As someone posted a page or so back it's a discussion thread about a subject relevant to the site's purpose.When you literally call an entire group of people who don't like praying pretend in a videogame in the same way you do "cancer", you've gone beyond the bounds of a simple discussion.
RE: In response to people taking Primal fights ICly... - Aysun - 02-02-2015
(02-02-2015, 12:11 AM)Mae Wrote: Also, I was under the impression (and I'll respectfully stand corrected if Sounseyy shows up and says otherwise) that in 1.0 there was a group called... Path of the Twelve, and their mission was to support and deal with people who were touched by the Echo, because there was a lot coming out of the woodwork for a while and the muggles were treating/convincing them that they were crazy.
Adventurers (PC's) represent a small part of Erozea's population, so that there could -POSSIBLY- be a higher concentration of people who have varying degrees of special is understandable.
The Path of the Twelve was the precursor to the Scions of the Seventh Dawn. Minfilia headed it and sought out those with the Echo to be part of it. There's a lot of 'em. The difference with ARR is that they took it to a more snowflake, 1-player game level with the adventurer with the Echo becoming THE Warrior of Light with Hydaelyn's blessing and such!
RE: In response to people taking Primal fights ICly... - Cato - 02-02-2015
(02-02-2015, 12:14 AM)Intaki Wrote:(02-02-2015, 12:11 AM)Graeham Ridgefield Wrote: That's not what people are doing though. As someone posted a page or so back it's a discussion thread about a subject relevant to the site's purpose.When you literally call an entire group of people who don't like praying pretend in a videogame in the same way you do "cancer", you've gone beyond the bounds of a simple discussion.
Well, I've certainly not done that. Where was that stated?
RE: In response to people taking Primal fights ICly... - Desu Nee - 02-02-2015
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