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RE: Lore Question: Soulstones and how to acquire them. - Ton - 10-18-2015
I was trying to find the dialogue text for the Bard soulstone quest. Jehantel the wandering Bard emphasizes the soulstone's past, how it was carried by prior great Bards.
There are some correlations in Japanese culture.
Gods in Japan are called Kami and their power is linked to a large geographical location, movement, or thing. They can also be focused in small objects such as stones called Shintai. This line sums it up nicely:
"Kamidana shintai[sup][2][/sup] are most commonly small circular mirrors, though they can also be stones (magatama), jewels, or some other object with largely symbolic value. The kami within the shintai is often the deity of the local shrine or one particular to the house owner's profession." (Basic Terms of Shinto, Kokugakuin University, Institute for Japanese Culture and Classics, Tokyo 1985)
Many Japanese partake in ancestor veneration, which historically is linked to the idea that your ancestors stay very close to the mortal realm, even lending their power to the living, another idea that is pronounced in the Bard questline.
These ideas may not be explicit in the soulstone mechanic, but the similarities are enough that I think they played some part, even unconsciously.
RE: Lore Question: Soulstones and how to acquire them. - Cynel1 - 07-10-2016
in my mind i believed that the more you bonded with the soul stone the more memories it gives you.
RE: Lore Question: Soulstones and how to acquire them. - Andromeda - 07-15-2016
(10-12-2015, 02:35 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: The only instance in which they appear to be absolutely required is with Black Mages. Â Even then, you might be able to find a way around that with a good enough reason.Is it possible for arcanists to generate a Fairy spontaneously? I was under the impression that those were tied to Scholar soulstones, so while you could probably easily learn Scholar healing techniques since they're more scientific than BLM or WHM, I don't think an arcanist can create a successful Fairy familiar. Certainly not one that was 'intelligent' like Lily is.
RE: Lore Question: Soulstones and how to acquire them. - S'imba - 07-15-2016
Well I thought in the first drk quest, the soulstone is what let's a person to fuel their abilities with the darkness that resides within everyone. At least that's what I was pretty sure fray said.
RE: Lore Question: Soulstones and how to acquire them. - Warren Castille - 07-15-2016
(07-15-2016, 01:00 PM)Simba Wrote: Well I thought in the first drk quest, the soulstone is what let's a person to fuel their abilities with the darkness that resides within everyone. At least that's what I was pretty sure fray said.
Given the rest of the DRK quests, Fray's advice and teaching can and should be taken with a grain of salt. A whole shaker, maybe. Post-championship runner-up mountains to be safe.
I thought the SCH storyline explains the faeries a bit in detail and something something they were linked to the soulstone but I never did them.
As to be expected, Mirke laid the lowdown over here.
RE: Lore Question: Soulstones and how to acquire them. - Andromeda - 07-18-2016
Ah, thanks for the corroboration.Â
So you could use some Scholar arts without a soulstone, but a Soul of the Scholar is required to manifest a Fairy. That makes Scholar and Black Mage the two jobs that seem to require Soulstones to use them properly.
RE: Lore Question: Soulstones and how to acquire them. - Valence - 07-18-2016
Interestingly enough, you will note that golem also use soulstones. Are they the same thing however? I don't know, but they use the same word. I believe it could be similar, it basically stores a persona inside with memories and experience. For a golem, it works like a core works for a mammet.
Maerwyn Wrote:A chert golem was recently sighted near the gates to the Sylphlands. Who created it and why it was left free to roam is anyone's guess. In any case, the construct's presence is profoundly serendipitous, for the soulstone of a chert golem is created by enchanting a chunk of true heart ore. True heart, in case you were unaware, is an exceedingly rare ore, one which Giggity has almost certainly never tasted, and will therefore be unable to resist.
Quote:So, all you need do is search for the golem, slay it, claim its heart, and use it to bait the spriggan. Oh, and do remember to rub the soulstone against a sufficiently large concentration of amber, say, Amberscale Rock in the Central Shroud. Short of petitioning a mage versed in golem magicks, that is the only way I know to dispel the enchantments woven into a true heart. Eh? Why are you looking at me like that? I had relations with a thaumaturge once, if you must know.
Which makes me wonder if you can do the same trick with job soulstones... Mhhh.
Anyway.
Which brings me to:
Rowena Wrote:While the soul is indeed inimitable, we believe it possible to create a quasi-soul. Thus we turned our attention to anima─the selfsame force which allows individuals to traverse the Lifestream via aetherytes. By infusing a soulstone with the requisite quantities of aether, this force may be harnessed.
Which seems to confirm that soulstones are a collection of seeping memories and experiences, and that it just lacks a 'quasi-soul' to become awake. I would argue that in the case of job soulstones, that enabling soul is you. The interesting question would be... How much of the soulstone does pervade into you? How much bleeds in you, and how much influence does it exert on you?
And the obvious:
Stephanivien Wrote:Oh, and pray do not forget to carry your Soul of the machinist. I based the design on the more traditional soul crystals, and it will act as a focal point for the energy conversions performed by the aetherotransformer. ...Ah, that would be the “contraption†Rostnsthal mentioned.
It seems to imply that soulstones are indeed catalysts for the skills they allow the bearer to wield.
RE: Lore Question: Soulstones and how to acquire them. - Gegenji - 07-20-2016
(07-18-2016, 02:44 PM)Valence Wrote: Which brings me to:
Rowena Wrote:While the soul is indeed inimitable, we believe it possible to create a quasi-soul. Thus we turned our attention to anima─the selfsame force which allows individuals to traverse the Lifestream via aetherytes. By infusing a soulstone with the requisite quantities of aether, this force may be harnessed.
Which seems to confirm that soulstones are a collection of seeping memories and experiences, and that it just lacks a 'quasi-soul' to become awake. I would argue that in the case of job soulstones, that enabling soul is you. The interesting question would be... How much of the soulstone does pervade into you? How much bleeds in you, and how much influence does it exert on you?
Amusingly enough, I kinda played with that idea for back when Gogon was a plot villain. He ended up creating devices that basically "jolted" a soulstone to quasi-awareness using a ceruleum pool and a specific frequency of charge using lightning crystals. In addition, it was a major detail that these "awakened" soulstones were more pervasive and influential - and he had to basically overwhelm them with personal will in order to force them to obey him and relinquish their secrets. And when he let his mental guards down in the final battle...
... Well, there was a reason I basically had him in a coma for a couple real-time months. And even now he's dealing with the fallout of allowing the amalgam essence of awareness and knowledge from the soulstones to pervade his being. It's actually the primary overarching "arc" that he's on right now - though it's mostly a thing occurring in the background as more dynamic and interactive RP comes up.
It's just amusing to me that there's actual lore now about doing something similar - just with anima instead of ceruleum and electricity.